Until now there are no reports of any Ukrainian breakthrough of the Russian defensive lines. If I'm not mistaken all of the fighting now occurs on the so-called 'grey zone', the no man's land between both sides.

Any Ukrainian losses would be either still among Ukrainian lines or inaccessible in the grey zone.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 9 2023, 02:08 PM

That's the biggest problem Ukraine has now.... No air support....

even history legends also no updates on the battlefield cos then situation is very dynamic i guess, alot happening between both sides

Ukraine will have very very hard time making any advances... Very hard..

Ukraine has no air cover to take out Russia artillery and other positions. No doubt they have himars but attacking russian when they are on a defensive position is totally different compared to them attacking.

Won't have for a while...... I don't foresee any breakthroughs anytime soon, if ever.... No air cover to soften enemy positions... Himars can help but not enough. Artillery also not enough.

Russians simply pounding Ukraine with arty once they get within range... Nothing to take out those arty.

Then nothing much left to take out those russian planes and helicopters too...


This post has been edited by bengm2019: Jun 9 2023, 02:14 PM

Still useful for precision missile attacks. They yet to carry out high altitude aerial bombing though....
Imagine dozens of tu95 doing carpet bombing.....wow....

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Jun 9 2023, 02:15 PM

For now I would guess no solid, confirmable proof of losses.

Socmed does have a lot of drone & attack helicopter vids/pics of Ukrainian armor being destroyed, but if you're asking for pics accounting for wrecks on the ground, there's probably none right now.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 9 2023, 02:20 PM

i rather wait for the analysis from Alex than from some syiok sendiri ktard lol heh

This post has been edited by Einjahr: Jun 9 2023, 02:20 PM

I don't expect high losses for Russia side right now. Back then Russia losses high esp. for tanks because Ukraine can easily take them out when hiding..

But now Ukraine is facing these tanks head on.

unless theres pics of wrecks hard to tell if its just a reused video

cheaper to use arty than sortie million dollar planes

This post has been edited by marfccy: Jun 9 2023, 02:27 PM

I wonder how long Ukraine is gonna continue these 'probing attacks' in light of the apparently large losses of its units.

If they are looking for weaknesses in the Russian lines, I don't think they've found any yet.

this is the question.
how large is considered large?

and no way we can ascertain the losses but one thing we can ascertain is the ferocious of the battle across the few concentration point is especially strong.

there is day battles as well as reportedly night battles as well.

I have heard many people say the offensive will truly begin when western armor gets involved. I think we're past that stage.

Also the fact remains that the Russians have constructed three belts of defensive lines that Ukraine need to break. I don't think they even reached the first defensive line proper, all the fighting is currently on the grey zone screening line.

the question is , do they still have 40m?

how many run away, how many dead and how many are left.

you are right there.

so far i see one? three? leopard tanks. if i am not wrong, they should have a few dozens and is the challengers arrived in Ukraine yet?
based on this, i think UA is still holding its main force and still prodding.

and the three layer defense lines, i think it is especially challenging for any kind of offensive, not to mention by military doctrine, offensive force will take a 3 to 1 casualty rate on average. we shall see if they will manage to reach the first defensive line though i read unconfirmed reports that some section they reach the first defensive lines and also second, but fail to hold onto the second defensive line.

all these reports are from russian milbloggers, UA keeping OPSEC very tight and not willing to divulge anything on operational level.

KA-52 attack helicopter striking at a Ukrainian convoy. I'm sure 100% they continue the strike after the video is cut

Another KA-52 attacking Ukrainian armor. More armored vehicles are visible in the background

If this is the type of juicy, target-rich environment on the ground, I'm not surprised those heli pilots have claimed multiple kills already.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 9 2023, 08:54 PM

Map of Russian defensive lines on the Zhaporizhia region and the current localities of the Ukrainian offensive advances

The Russiams have literally preparing and planning for this very offensive for the last 6 months.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 9 2023, 08:20 PM

Captured Ukrainian armor start being brought to the rear

Man, one of these days it's gonna be a Leopard being towed by that recovery vehicle

Russian sources say Russian strike aircraft have up to now dropped more than 500 bombs of various types on the advancing front line Ukrainian units since the offensive operation started.

These strike planes report of favorable conditions and minimal resistance from ground air defences in these operations.