i don't doubt the losses but the progress as i seen in a pattern across other media seems to indicate differently with a few towns under occupied by russia issue immediate evacuation orders and civilians reporting sounds of fighting getting close.

but we shall see...

Pro-Russian sources claim during the night, a Russian KA-52 'Alligator' attack helicopter have claimed to have destroyed 6 Ukrainian armored vehicles

reports of the first loss of a leopard tank

Multiple units are now claiming bounties on western armor. Russian sources also saying that the Russian army have recaptured many areas that were originally overrun by the Ukrainians during the first hours of the offensive.

Kind of expected..... Leopard 2 A4 is obsolete. The armour cannot withstand modern atgms.... That's why Germany has to resort to adding more armour to it... Those shipped to Ukraine not such add-on.

Ukraine learn it hard way that being on offensive is much harder than being in defensive position

Leopard are light on armour, their strength is with their maneuverability and speed

People are referring to the Ukrainian offensives that retook Kherson and Kharkiv in the hopes of a similar result here, but many forget at the time Russia was severely outnumbered and unprepared.

This time Russia have the advantage in numbers and a 6-month time period to build defensive lines. What the Ukrainians doing right now is adavncing armor and units into Russian killboxes, with no air support no less.

every day says major offensive.
are they have enough weapons or supplies?

just more of a Guerrilla war rather than a major offensive.

Does Ukraine have enough male to have a major offensive?

the commander for one of the sectors

post the wreckage pics then since the defenders are russian and the destroyed stuff be in russian held territory

I think at this time at least the wreckages would be in front of the Russian positions, would it not?

Especially those claimed to be destroyed by air units.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 9 2023, 02:00 PM

Will need some time to recover them and put them on display. But yes, will be done... Just like Ukraine displaying those destroyed Russia ta ks in Kiev....

Russia used to display capture German tanks in Moscow during ww2 too...haha.

its not such a tall request to get visual confirmation tbh since the battle lines are dynamic and russians are still defending their turf

destroyed tanks be in their turf cos they are attacking russian positions.

Wait lar.. need time to salvage them, then ship them to moscow for display.

Anyway, Ukraine is not expected to do well... They literally go ahead with offensive without any air support.

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Jun 9 2023, 02:03 PM

destroyed and captured are two diff things

Well, you can still capture a badly damaged tank, repair it and put it on display... Destroyed doesn't mean it cannot be salvaged and repaired...

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Jun 9 2023, 02:05 PM

u dont have parts to repair it then still useless