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Pewufod
post Oct 2 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 03:03 PM)
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https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/av...0the%20business.

Another example, lets say CC charges 2% on retail, for a RM8k Iphone, it is already RM160

what makes you think that Apple would be so kind to completely disregard this charges when making the decision to price their iphones?

It is similar to why Grab Food prices are so exorbant compared to in store menu prices? It is because Grab platform charges an amount say 20% fees. No restaurant in the right will will self absorb the drop in 20% in Revenue, hence the cost is passed to grab users
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dont get confused by MDR

0% is 0%, MDR is MDR
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Oct 2 2023, 03:26 PM)
dont get confused by MDR

0% is 0%, MDR is MDR
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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mercha...scount-rate.asp

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post Oct 2 2023, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 03:29 PM)
This practice only famous and widely used in US. Even buy groceries in US you can negotiate for item near expiry date.

In Malaysia, most retailers die die said this is the FINAL PRICE and cannot get the discount.


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post Oct 2 2023, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Paradigmata @ May 26 2023, 11:16 AM)
I doubt ur cash savings is more than me.

I got around 900k ringgit cash savings

I just try only to pay using installment since I never use before.
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Oct 2 2023, 03:33 PM)
This practice only famous and widely used in US. Even buy groceries in US you can negotiate for item near expiry date.

In Malaysia, most retailers die die said this is the FINAL PRICE and cannot get the discount.
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Then it further reinforces that cash / debit card / E-wallet transaction (not all, grab might charge platform fees as grab provide reward point) is in a disadvantage compared to CC transaction, where the user can earn CC rewards while cash / debit card user gets nothing extra
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Oct 2 2023, 03:24 PM)
suggest you to stop replying else you appear dumber by the moment
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Yeah especially with that picture of yours.

I know you are not happy working in your low paid job. It's ok.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Oct 2 2023, 03:48 PM
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Oct 2 2023, 03:33 PM)
This practice only famous and widely used in US. Even buy groceries in US you can negotiate for item near expiry date.

In Malaysia, most retailers die die said this is the FINAL PRICE and cannot get the discount.
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For electronic goods, you can still get discounts.
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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 02:55 PM)
the point is, bank doesnt give 0% installment for free, the cost is surely charged to retail, then its passed on to consumers
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Could it be the bank absorb/waive the fee as marketing/promo expenses to be more competitive?
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 2 2023, 03:20 PM)
wrong.

your credit card limit deducted 2.8k cause bank help you pay (2.8k minus (6~9% charges denend tenure) )to retail
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hmm, i guess this make sense also, like bank pays retail 2.7k, then CC user pay back 2.8k, profit 100
yeah not too familiar with the exact mechanics behind, but concept wise is same.
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post Oct 2 2023, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 03:39 PM)
Then it further reinforces that cash / debit card / E-wallet transaction (not all, grab might charge platform fees as grab provide reward point) is in a disadvantage compared to CC transaction, where the user can earn CC rewards while cash / debit card user gets nothing extra
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You do realize that shops that demands only either cash/E Wallet transactions normally charges cheaper price do you?

In fact, in the past, if you go service your car, shops will actually offer you a cheaper price if you pay in cash.

Also the other advantage of paying by cash is, the shop can bypass taxes.

I mean seriously, everyone knows merchant pays fees for every cc transaction and you think they will not pass the cost to you.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Oct 2 2023, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 2 2023, 02:37 PM)
u realize u can buy 0% installment not just for iphone right? Or you think all items that can be bought with 0% installment already mark up like iphone? If like that very kesian people bought laptop need to pay "mark up" retail price even though they pay by cash. Not sure who is bodo here
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Because you are too stupid not to ask a discount first before you buy.

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 03:52 PM)
You do realize that shops  that demands only either cash/E Wallet transactions normally charges cheaper price do you?

In fact, in the past, if you go service your car, shops will actually offer you a cheaper price if you pay in cash.

Also the other advantage of paying by cash is, the shop can bypass taxes.

But it's ok. You probably just came out from school.

I mean seriously, everyone knows merchant pays fees for every cc transaction and you think they will not pass the cost to you.
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revenue record is there.. cant bypass taxes.. the only benefits for seller is no need to pay extra merchant fee on machine.. that's the reason some franchise retail shop ask for additional amount of money if buyer going for installment.. add RM80/100/120 depending.. else they will use retail price of product to sell u instead of discounted price..

although bank say cannot charge the fee to customer (true< if seller sell at retail price.. e.g. TV RRP 3999).. but if seller sell at 3499 (discoutned price).. they ady offset the fee & margin.. so they have to charge one time fee on top of 3499..


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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 03:52 PM)
You do realize that shops  that demands only either cash/E Wallet transactions normally charges cheaper price do you?

In fact, in the past, if you go service your car, shops will actually offer you a cheaper price if you pay in cash.

Also the other advantage of paying by cash is, the shop can bypass taxes.

I mean seriously, everyone knows merchant pays fees for every cc transaction and you think they will not pass the cost to you.
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yeah, that's why i say going retail with cash / E wallet is normally at a disadvantage as the person is helping to pay other CC user rewards point and perks.
given that the disadvantage is negligible, but why not get a waived annual fees CC and whack it also?
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post Oct 2 2023, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 03:56 PM)
yeah, that's why i say going retail with cash / E wallet is normally at a disadvantage as the person is helping to pay other CC user rewards point and perks.
given that the disadvantage is negligible, but why not get a waived annual fees CC and whack it also?
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Of course no choice lah.
But for more expensive things, I will just try to see if there are any other options.

Also everytime I visit mechanic, I try to ask if there is discount if I pay by cash. Usually they will tell me the cc fee is cheap so cannot give me discount.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 2 2023, 03:50 PM)
Could it be the bank absorb/waive the fee as marketing/promo expenses to be more competitive?
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sure sure.
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post Oct 2 2023, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Oct 2 2023, 03:56 PM)
revenue record is there.. cant bypass taxes.. the only benefits for seller is no need to pay extra merchant fee on machine.. that's the reason some franchise retail shop ask for additional amount of money if buyer going for installment.. add RM80/100/120 depending.. else they will use retail price of product to sell u instead of discounted price..

although bank say cannot charge the fee to customer (true< if seller sell at retail price.. e.g. TV RRP 3999).. but if seller sell at 3499 (discoutned price).. they ady offset the fee & margin.. so they have to charge one time fee on top of 3499..
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Well, I did ask some of the hawkers out there. They specifically told me that they try to bypass tax as much as possible. For example, even for touch and go transactions, they try to use touch and go QR code that is not link to them.

Also there is another korean restaurant near my house. If I pay by cc, I need to pay 10% extra. I am pretty sure this 10% is not just covering cc charges but taxes as well.

And also they do not accept tng payments as well. I mean it's obvious why they dun do that.

I would say they are smart. First of all, they still declare taxes to the government as there are going to be many people who pays using CC. But at the same time, they can bypass taxes for most of their other non cc transactions as well.

One of the reason why governments around the world wants to go cashless is because once everything goes cashless, there is no way to bypass taxes anymore. As long as cash is being used, you can easily bypass taxes.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Oct 2 2023, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Oct 2 2023, 02:37 PM)
If there’s no difference, why would you not take the 0% instalment?

And where do you get the “non-marked up” iphone?
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Because for 0% interest, u need a credit card which alot of ppl dont qualify.
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post Oct 2 2023, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 02:34 PM)
Latest comment only shows how stupid ppl are.

That's why I say. Dun waste your time explaining to stupid ppl.

For the iPhone example, the price is already marked up to include the interest price. Whether you pay upfront or pay by installment, you are still paying the same marked up price.

No wonder ppl say apple fanboys are retards.

My only comfort is the person making the comment is most likely someone earning a minimum wage slaving for his company.
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Tell me how you don't understand credit card purchases, without telling me how you don't understand credit card purchases.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 04:49 PM)
Just wonder why ppl like yourself dun jump from the 30th floor. But I know you are not gong to live long anyways.
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wow your ego hurt huh after you found out u are actually stupid? are u sad now?

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