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SUSBrookLes
post Oct 2 2023, 04:56 PM

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See this low iq makes it so obvious that he reported me.

Low iq is low iq. Like I said. Not going to live much longer.
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post Oct 2 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 04:53 PM)
Haha another loser that reports my post.
But I know you are earning a minimum wage and probably wish you are dead.

It's ok. You are not going to live long anyway.
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come on man, you also clearly earning minimum wage since you dint have a clue how credit card work. Probably because u dont have credit card and u are not eligible. And base on your previous thread, u cant even afford a proper power cable for your laptop. So sad man.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 26 2023, 11:09 AM)
Yes.

But my maybank credit card when i take cash instalment or buy stuff instalment plan, the full monthly amount instalment plan will kira inside minimum payment as well + 5% from the rest total outstanding balance.

Minimum oayment become very high 😅
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Same rules apply for other cards, no? I usually pay the non-installments in full and the installments according to the plan.

If limit >100k, will not see a difference to the balance while interest charges are borne by the merchant. BTW, I like Maybank, got points can trade for home appliances, suitcases, dll. One time buy watch at 30-40k, 0% 24 months installment, points berlambak. Now waiting for ipong or Fold..




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post Oct 2 2023, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 2 2023, 02:37 PM)
u realize u can buy 0% installment not just for iphone right? Or you think all items that can be bought with 0% installment already mark up like iphone? If like that very kesian people bought laptop need to pay "mark up" retail price even though they pay by cash. Not sure who is bodo here
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 02:50 PM)
It's ok. You still dun get it.
You see Apple takes advantage of ppl like you who thinks there really is such a thing as zero percent payment.

No I dun buy overpriced stuff. Maybe apple sheep like you does.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 02:51 PM)
Because you are too stupid to think laterally.
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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Oct 2 2023, 02:55 PM)
Actually i didnt use apple as an example, just the numbers only

Apple can get away with it because Apple is the only one that sells iOS phones, thus have a monopoly on iOS market and have stronger negotiation power.
You dont like the high price? oh yea boo hoo go buy your android yeah

whereas like for the normal electrical shops, you have more leverage on this as there are vast amount of brands

and also, i also didnt claim that asking for discount always work if the item doesnt have zero-interest installment plan, but hey, why not try it?
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the point is, bank doesnt give 0% installment for free, the cost is surely charged to retail, then its passed on to consumers
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Hello, I used to work at the bank and used to deal with these sort of questions and all. So let me help you all understand.

0% credit card installment, as you can see different bank cards will offer them at your favourite retail stores or online stores.

At the end of the day, the bank card charges the retailer a fee for it. Here is the rough amount of charges we charge to the merchant (do note that this was about 6-7 years ago when I was at the bank, rates may have changed now).
12months ~ 3.5-4% (depends on the volume)
18 months ~ 4~5%
24 months ~ 5%-6%

In the past it was very difficult to sell this to the merchants and retailers as they were very very calculative but of course times were a lot better then. When times were bad and sales were bad, they then started to use this and realised that they could increase their sales on this. Merchant happy, bank happy, customer happy.

Now in terms of how merchants would price their product, if they have the flexibility to set the prices that they want to, then you would see some markup in them. For those selling products whose principal sets the prices (e.g. Apple) you would see more "value". A lot of Apple retailers at the start found it tough because the margins were horrendously thin, so I remember suggesting to them to bundle in things like Apple Care (double digit margins) or items such as cases (very high margins) to balance it out.

So TLDR, you are all right.
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Oct 2 2023, 05:03 PM)
Hello, I used to work at the bank and used to deal with these sort of questions and all. So let me help you all understand.

0% credit card installment, as you can see different bank cards will offer them at your favourite retail stores or online stores.

At the end of the day, the bank card charges the retailer a fee for it. Here is the rough amount of charges we charge to the merchant (do note that this was about 6-7 years ago when I was at the bank, rates may have changed now).
12months ~ 3.5-4% (depends on the volume)
18 months ~ 4~5%
24 months ~ 5%-6%

In the past it was very difficult to sell this to the merchants and retailers as they were very very calculative but of course times were a lot better then. When times were bad and sales were bad, they then started to use this and realised that they could increase their sales on this. Merchant happy, bank happy, customer happy.

Now in terms of how merchants would price their product, if they have the flexibility to set the prices that they want to, then you would see some markup in them. For those selling products whose principal sets the prices (e.g. Apple) you would see more "value". A lot of Apple retailers at the start found it tough because the margins were horrendously thin, so I remember suggesting to them to bundle in things like Apple Care (double digit margins) or items such as cases (very high margins) to balance it out.

So TLDR, you are all right.
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This is common sense. But most people here dun have common sense. They really should just go back to the kampung. But I doubt they will survive there as well.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 04:00 PM)
Of course no choice lah.
But for more expensive things, I will just try to see if there are any other options.

Also everytime I visit mechanic, I try to ask if there is discount if I pay by cash. Usually they will tell me the cc fee is cheap so cannot give me discount.
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Usually CC fees these days for Visa/Mastercard is around 1.1-1.3% depending on volume. If they went through a reseller, might be slightly higher versus going to bank direct. Hence they would rather pay the 1% fees then give you more discount. Unless they discount you are asking is less then the CC fees
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 2 2023, 05:56 PM)
come on man, you also clearly earning minimum wage since you dint have a clue how credit card work. Probably because u dont have credit card and u are not eligible. And base on your previous thread, u cant even afford a proper power cable for your laptop. So sad man.
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 2 2023, 04:56 PM)
come on man, you also clearly earning minimum wage since you dint have a clue how credit card work. Probably because u dont have credit card and u are not eligible. And base on your previous thread, u cant even afford a proper power cable for your laptop. So sad man.
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OMG kesian laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Oct 2 2023, 05:06 PM)
Usually CC fees these days for Visa/Mastercard is around 1.1-1.3% depending on volume. If they went through a reseller, might be slightly higher versus going to bank direct. Hence they would rather pay the 1% fees then give you more discount. Unless they discount you are asking is less then the CC fees
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Of course, The discount I expect should be less or equal to the CC fees.

I also understand for retailers, their profit margin is already so high, they can probably absorb the CC fees. But I know for electronic goods or other higher price goods where there is higher competition, this 1% is actually quite significant.


As for the other kampung guy, my fd interest and the rental collected is already enough to cover my living expenses many many times.

Continue to work as a slave and try to be a stupid hero here ok.
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 04:13 PM)
Well, I did ask some of the hawkers out there. They specifically told me that they try to bypass tax as much as possible. For example, even for touch and go transactions, they try to use touch and go QR code that is not link to them.

Also there is another korean restaurant near my house. If I pay by cc, I need to pay 10% extra. I am pretty sure this 10% is not just covering cc charges but taxes as well.

And also they do not accept tng payments as well. I mean it's obvious why they dun do that.

I would say they are smart. First of all, they still declare taxes to the government as there are going to be many people who pays using CC. But at the same time, they can bypass taxes for most of their other non cc transactions as well.

One of the reason why governments around the world wants to go cashless is because once everything goes cashless, there is no way to bypass taxes anymore. As long as cash is being used, you can easily bypass taxes.
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woah woah woah, give me the restaurant name. extra surcharge is illegal. can lipot to authority.

in the meanwhile, all /k can boycott that shop also.


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post Oct 2 2023, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Oct 2 2023, 05:16 PM)
woah woah woah, give me the restaurant name. extra surcharge is illegal. can lipot to authority.

in the meanwhile, all /k can boycott that shop also.
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I think what they do is very fair. Their price is pretty cheap as well.

In fact just because of this, I visit their shop even more as compared to shops which charge so high just because they give you the convenience of using a cc.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Oct 2 2023, 05:20 PM
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ May 26 2023, 11:02 AM)
kecian. buy tv also need installment.
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if zero interest and pay on time
what's wrong?



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post Oct 2 2023, 05:22 PM

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reading the dude's posts i suspect he is schizo
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 04:13 PM)
Well, I did ask some of the hawkers out there. They specifically told me that they try to bypass tax as much as possible. For example, even for touch and go transactions, they try to use touch and go QR code that is not link to them.

Also there is another korean restaurant near my house. If I pay by cc, I need to pay 10% extra. I am pretty sure this 10% is not just covering cc charges but taxes as well.

And also they do not accept tng payments as well. I mean it's obvious why they dun do that.

I would say they are smart. First of all, they still declare taxes to the government as there are going to be many people who pays using CC. But at the same time, they can bypass taxes for most of their other non cc transactions as well.

One of the reason why governments around the world wants to go cashless is because once everything goes cashless, there is no way to bypass taxes anymore. As long as cash is being used, you can easily bypass taxes.
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This post has been edited by viktorherald: Oct 2 2023, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 05:19 PM)
I think what they do is very fair. Their price is pretty cheap as well.

In fact just because of this, I visit their shop even more as compared to shops which charge so high just because they give you the convenience of using a cc.
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there's nothing fair here yo.

it's ethic.

i accept cards and ewallet my restaurant at my own cost, i never pass down the surcharge to customer nor do i see 100% of the shop i went all over the place have this sort of surcharge.

so just reveal the shop name la since you say their price is pretty cheap also, im curious and wanted to go makan there also.

even my korean shop here selling tteokbokki full plate RM16 also never charge any surcharge.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Oct 2 2023, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Oct 2 2023, 05:22 PM)
reading the dude's posts i suspect he is schizo
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Oct 2 2023, 05:23 PM)
there's nothing fair here yo.

it's ethic.

i accept cards and ewallet my restaurant at my own cost, i never pass down the surcharge to customer nor do i see 100% of the shop i went all over the place have this sort of surcharge.

so just reveal the shop name la since you say their price is pretty cheap also, im curious and wanted to go makan there also.

even my korean shop here selling tteokbokki full plate RM16 also never charge any surcharge.
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Would not say is "surchage".
They just waive the service charge if you pay by cash that's all.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Oct 2 2023, 05:23 PM)
there's nothing fair here yo.

it's ethic.

i accept cards and ewallet my restaurant at my own cost, i never pass down the surcharge to customer nor do i see 100% of the shop i went all over the place have this sort of surcharge.

so just reveal the shop name la since you say their price is pretty cheap also, im curious and wanted to go makan there also.

even my korean shop here selling tteokbokki full plate RM16 also never charge any surcharge.
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Would not say is "surchage".
They just waive the service charge if you pay by cash that's all.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Oct 2 2023, 05:27 PM)
Would not say is "surchage".
They just waive the service charge  if you pay by cash that's all.
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that is even worse practise, i never waive 6% service charge also as that money is part of staff incentives. doh.gif

and i mean service charge, not tax.

how on earth does this shop being allow to operate anyway? sounds like the shop illegally charging credit card surcharge on customer, and unethically remove service charge that was meant for staff?

anyway, you should really reveal the shop la..

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only 10% of my customer actually using credit card only, why need to penalize my sales staff by waiving the service charge?

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Oct 2 2023, 05:35 PM

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