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post May 5 2023, 10:59 PM

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post May 7 2023, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 5 2023, 05:20 PM)
The Redmi Note 12 Pro+ already starts at RM1599. Historically the F series is always slightly higher than the Note series. RM1699 already seems dangerously close to the Note 12 Pro+, unless Xiaomi wants to cannibalise their own locally. The Thai Lazada official Poco shop has put placeholder price of 13990 baht for the Poco F5.

So RM1699 is probably the absolute lowest over here? 4 more days to know.
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F5 camera probably 1/2" and not as good sensor as RN12PP, not sure about F5 Pro camera.

Also RM1600 for RN12PP is also close to 12T at RM1729 (during sales) which has much faster SoC.

Unfortunately they didn't bring in the RN12P (non plus version) which has better battery and IMX766 sensor (same as A54) for cheaper price than RN12PP. A54 also dropped price (or rather without free gifts) to RM1620..
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QUOTE(bluemind @ May 7 2023, 12:32 PM)
F5 camera probably 1/2" and not as good sensor as RN12PP, not sure about F5 Pro camera.

Also RM1600 for RN12PP is also close to 12T at RM1729 (during sales) which has much faster SoC.

Unfortunately they didn't bring in the RN12P (non plus version) which has better battery and IMX766 sensor (same as A54) for cheaper price than RN12PP. A54 also dropped price (or rather without free gifts) to RM1620..
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f5, f5 pro both use the same 64mp 1/2 size sensor

mediatek 8100 is slower than 7+g2

well a54 should drop even further because exshitnos
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QUOTE(MyProLife @ May 7 2023, 12:34 PM)
f5, f5 pro both use the same 64mp 1/2 size sensor

mediatek 8100 is slower than 7+g2

well a54 should drop even further because exshitnos
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Yeah it is a tiny sensor =/

Was comparing 12T to RN12PP's mediatek 1080 not F5. Ofc F5 faster biggrin.gif
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post May 7 2023, 03:47 PM

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Sifus, how does the RN12PP / F5 / F5P compared to Pixel 6A?
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post May 7 2023, 04:25 PM

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Sifus, how does the RN12PP / F5 / F5P compared to Pixel 6A?
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Pixel 6A
Pros
- Best Camera for under RM3000 (Subjective because Pixel Camera Software is best for many with Pixel Magic Eraser and other Pixel features)
- Smooth Pixel Software
Cons
- Poor battery life, slow charging, Charger not included in box
- 60Hz OLED
- Bad Internet Connectivity, poor support of 5G and WiFi bands in Malaysia
- In Display fingerprint scanner
- Tensor G1 is moderately below average speed and heats up easily
-No Malaysia warranty
- No wireless charging

RN12PP
Pros
-Worse camera than 6A, but better than F5, F5P
-Side physical fingerprint scanner
-120Hz OLED
- Great battery life, 120W fast charger in box
- Great Connectivity support in Malaysia
Cons
- Slow Dimensity 1080, slower than Tensor
- RRP RM1599 is too high priced, this phone, imo RM1099 is better price

Poco F5 and F5 Pro
Pros
-Side Fingerprint scanner
-Fast Performance with Snapdragon 7+ Gen 2 ane 8+ Gen 1, which means phone still smooth operation after 2 years of use (faster than Tensor and Dimensity 1080)
-Great battery life, fast charging (F5 Pro has 30W wireless charging if you like it)
-Great Connectivity options in Malaysia
- Xiaomi Service Centres available in Malaysia for Warranty
Cons
- Camera is worst of the 4, but still 64MP OIS sensor is acceptable for decent daylight photos

Recommendation
Poco F5 > Poco F5 Pro > Redmi Note 12 PP > Pixel 6A

Reason for Pixel ranked low is because ownership of Pixel in Malaysia very troublesome compared to official markets where Pixel is sold in, since no warranty in Malaysia. And F5 Pro is lower than F5 because specs very similar and F5 Pro not worth spending extra money compared to F5.

If you are a Pixel fan, Pixel 6A is a good entry level phone to experience Pixel software magic for their camera, but not good for a daily driver in Malaysia.

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post May 7 2023, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(ASoulNamedLeo @ May 7 2023, 04:25 PM)
Pixel 6A
Pros
- Best Camera for under RM3000 (Subjective because Pixel Camera Software is best for many with Pixel Magic Eraser and other Pixel features)
- Smooth Pixel Software
Cons
- Poor battery life, slow charging, Charger not included in box
- 60Hz OLED
- Bad Internet Connectivity, poor support of 5G and WiFi bands in Malaysia
- In Display fingerprint scanner
- Tensor G1 is moderately below average speed and heats up easily
-No Malaysia warranty
- No wireless charging

RN12PP
Pros
-Worse camera than 6A, but better than F5, F5P
-Side physical fingerprint scanner
-120Hz OLED
- Great battery life, 120W fast charger in box
- Great Connectivity support in Malaysia
Cons
- Slow Dimensity 1080, slower than Tensor
- RRP RM1599 is too high priced, this phone, imo RM1099 is better price

Poco F5 and F5 Pro
Pros
-Side Fingerprint scanner
-Fast Performance with Snapdragon 7+ Gen 2 ane 8+ Gen 1, which means phone still smooth operation after 2 years of use (faster than Tensor and Dimensity 1080)
-Great battery life, fast charging (F5 Pro has 30W wireless charging if you like it)
-Great Connectivity options in Malaysia
- Xiaomi Service Centres available in Malaysia for Warranty
Cons
- Camera is worst of the 4, but still 64MP OIS sensor is acceptable for decent daylight photos

Recommendation
Poco F5 > Poco F5 Pro > Redmi Note 12 PP > Pixel 6A

Reason for Pixel ranked low is because ownership of Pixel in Malaysia very troublesome compared to official markets where Pixel is sold in, since no warranty in Malaysia. And F5 Pro is lower than F5 because specs very similar and F5 Pro not worth spending extra money compared to F5.

If you are a Pixel fan, Pixel 6A is a good entry level phone to experience Pixel software magic for their camera, but not good for a daily driver in Malaysia.
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My Poco F3 just died after less than 2 years. Most prolly Main Board issue. Very reluctant to buy another Poco (& Redmi too I supposed). The Pixel 6A heating up issue is a great concern though. Pixel 6A also is not snappy enough compared to Poco F3 IMO. I guess Samsung A54 should be a good candidate then?
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QUOTE(real_cranium @ May 7 2023, 04:52 PM)
My Poco F3 just died after less than 2 years. Most prolly Main Board issue. Very reluctant to buy another Poco (& Redmi too I supposed). The Pixel 6A heating up issue is a great concern though. Pixel 6A also is not snappy enough compared to Poco F3 IMO. I guess Samsung A54 should be a good candidate then?
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Should be. But exynos 1380 on a54 is still marginally weaker than 778g

E1380 is better than d1080( d920/d7050) though, only d8100/d8000/d1100/d1200 can beat e1380
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QUOTE(bluemind @ May 7 2023, 12:36 PM)
Yeah it is a tiny sensor =/

Was comparing 12T to RN12PP's mediatek 1080 not F5. Ofc F5 faster biggrin.gif
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For that matter even xiaomi 11t with d1200 is also faster than d1080


Note that mediatek is now rebranding some of their existing model into new model designation to help oem clear stock

This can produce much more confusing for me imo

D700 > D6020
D810 > D6080

D930 > D7020
D1080 > D7050 (upcoming realme 11 pro+)

D1100 > D8020
D1200/1300 > D8050
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QUOTE(real_cranium @ May 7 2023, 04:52 PM)
My Poco F3 just died after less than 2 years. Most prolly Main Board issue. Very reluctant to buy another Poco (& Redmi too I supposed). The Pixel 6A heating up issue is a great concern though. Pixel 6A also is not snappy enough compared to Poco F3 IMO. I guess Samsung A54 should be a good candidate then?
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Welp, that's sad, motherboard issues is common for all Xiaomi phones, whether it be Xiaomi, Poco and Redmi.

My family uses Xiaomi phones (Redmi, Poco, Xiaomi as well), and personally the best experience we had with Xiaomi was their T series. My sister's Mi 10T motherboard also broke after one year, but Xiaomi just upgraded her phone directly to a Xiaomi 11T since the phone was still under the 2 year warranty there was no stock of Mi 10T motherboard.

Another reason I also recommend the T series from Xiaomi, is because Xiaomi Malaysia offers 2 years warranty for all T series smartphones, compared to conventional 1 year warranty for Poco and Redmi phones. Also both Xiaomi 11T and 12T series are promised at least 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates.

Xiaomi 11T Pro should be avoided due to heating issues of the Snapdragon 888, and Xiaomi 12T Pro is kinda around RM2200-RM2500 price range, which is too expensive imo.

My recommendation for Xiaomi phones is as follows since your phone died recently.

1. Xiaomi 11T
2. Xiaomi 12T (go for this if you can find it under RM1500),
3. Xiaomi 12T Pro
4. Poco X5 Pro (though this one is only 1 year warranty, and only recommend if your budget is too tight)

Xiaomi 11T 256GB (RM1325 after discount) https://s.lazada.com.my/s.5rqi9

The upcoming Poco F5 could be cheaper than Xiaomi 11T, but a small comparison between F5 I did below for your reference.

Performance: F5 (Snapdragon 7+ Gen 2) better than 11T (Dimensity 1200)
Storage: Both are 256GB
Camera: F5 has inferior sensor with OIS, 11T has better sensor without OIS
Screen: Both are 120Hz FHD+ OLED
Build quality: 11T has Aluminium frame+Glass back > F5 is plastic frame+plastic back
Battery: Same 5000mAh with 67W charger included in box
Warranty: 11T (2 Year) > F5 (1 Year)
Price: F5 early bird pricing expected to be RM1499 for 8GB+256GB version, meanwhile Xiaomi 11T 8GB+256GB current lowest price that can be found is RM1325 for new set

Anyways, F5 pre-orders could take until next month June for shipping, if you need a phone right now, then buy the best phone that is ready stock

This post has been edited by ASoulNamedLeo: May 7 2023, 09:09 PM
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post May 8 2023, 07:22 AM

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Pages for Poco F5 & F5 Pro are up on xiaomi AE site if you wanna go through the specs:

Poco F5: https://www.mi.com/ae/product/poco-f5/specs
Poco F5 Pro: https://www.mi.com/ae/product/poco-f5-pro/specs
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QUOTE(ASoulNamedLeo @ May 7 2023, 08:58 PM)
Welp, that's sad, motherboard issues is common for all Xiaomi phones, whether it be Xiaomi, Poco and Redmi.

My family uses Xiaomi phones (Redmi, Poco, Xiaomi as well), and personally the best experience we had with Xiaomi was their T series. My sister's Mi 10T motherboard also broke after one year, but Xiaomi just upgraded her phone directly to a Xiaomi 11T since the phone was still under the 2 year warranty there was no stock of Mi 10T motherboard.

Another reason I also recommend the T series from Xiaomi, is because Xiaomi Malaysia offers 2 years warranty for all T series smartphones, compared to conventional 1 year warranty for Poco and Redmi phones. Also both Xiaomi 11T and 12T series are promised at least 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates.

Xiaomi 11T Pro should be avoided due to heating issues of the Snapdragon 888, and Xiaomi 12T Pro is kinda around RM2200-RM2500 price range, which is too expensive imo.

My recommendation for Xiaomi phones is as follows since your phone died recently.

1. Xiaomi 11T
2. Xiaomi 12T (go for this if you can find it under RM1500),
3. Xiaomi 12T Pro
4. Poco X5 Pro (though this one is only 1 year warranty, and only recommend if your budget is too tight)

Xiaomi 11T 256GB (RM1325 after discount) https://s.lazada.com.my/s.5rqi9

The upcoming Poco F5 could be cheaper than Xiaomi 11T, but a small comparison between F5 I did below for your reference.

Performance: F5 (Snapdragon 7+ Gen 2) better than 11T (Dimensity 1200)
Storage: Both are 256GB
Camera: F5 has inferior sensor with OIS, 11T has better sensor without OIS
Screen: Both are 120Hz FHD+ OLED
Build quality: 11T has Aluminium frame+Glass back > F5 is plastic frame+plastic back
Battery: Same 5000mAh with 67W charger included in box
Warranty: 11T (2 Year) > F5 (1 Year)
Price: F5 early bird pricing expected to be RM1499 for 8GB+256GB version, meanwhile Xiaomi 11T 8GB+256GB current lowest price that can be found is RM1325 for new set

Anyways, F5 pre-orders could take until next month June for shipping, if you need a phone right now, then buy the best phone that is ready stock
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This is good summary. I'm looking for a replacement phone for my mum and looking at models of Xiaomi, Poco and Redmi gave me a headache. they look the same only for a normal user like me.

Just a question about 11T - I remember 3-4 years back shop seller tell me dont buy Mediatek chip phones cause it heat up and will slow down long term. Is that true? that's why I always end up with snapdragon redmi for my mum and dad.
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QUOTE(ASoulNamedLeo @ May 7 2023, 08:58 PM)
Welp, that's sad, motherboard issues is common for all Xiaomi phones, whether it be Xiaomi, Poco and Redmi.

My family uses Xiaomi phones (Redmi, Poco, Xiaomi as well), and personally the best experience we had with Xiaomi was their T series. My sister's Mi 10T motherboard also broke after one year, but Xiaomi just upgraded her phone directly to a Xiaomi 11T since the phone was still under the 2 year warranty there was no stock of Mi 10T motherboard.

Another reason I also recommend the T series from Xiaomi, is because Xiaomi Malaysia offers 2 years warranty for all T series smartphones, compared to conventional 1 year warranty for Poco and Redmi phones. Also both Xiaomi 11T and 12T series are promised at least 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates.

Xiaomi 11T Pro should be avoided due to heating issues of the Snapdragon 888, and Xiaomi 12T Pro is kinda around RM2200-RM2500 price range, which is too expensive imo.

My recommendation for Xiaomi phones is as follows since your phone died recently.

1. Xiaomi 11T
2. Xiaomi 12T (go for this if you can find it under RM1500),
3. Xiaomi 12T Pro
4. Poco X5 Pro (though this one is only 1 year warranty, and only recommend if your budget is too tight)

Xiaomi 11T 256GB (RM1325 after discount) https://s.lazada.com.my/s.5rqi9

The upcoming Poco F5 could be cheaper than Xiaomi 11T, but a small comparison between F5 I did below for your reference.

Performance: F5 (Snapdragon 7+ Gen 2) better than 11T (Dimensity 1200)
Storage: Both are 256GB
Camera: F5 has inferior sensor with OIS, 11T has better sensor without OIS
Screen: Both are 120Hz FHD+ OLED
Build quality: 11T has Aluminium frame+Glass back > F5 is plastic frame+plastic back
Battery: Same 5000mAh with 67W charger included in box
Warranty: 11T (2 Year) > F5 (1 Year)
Price: F5 early bird pricing expected to be RM1499 for 8GB+256GB version, meanwhile Xiaomi 11T 8GB+256GB current lowest price that can be found is RM1325 for new set

Anyways, F5 pre-orders could take until next month June for shipping, if you need a phone right now, then buy the best phone that is ready stock
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I used Redmi K20 / Mi 9T immediately before the Poco F3. The 9T also died on me with possible charging port issue. Hence the hesitance of buying yet another Redmi, Poco, Xiaomi. I used to love my Redmi Note 3 though. I humbly thank you for your extensive replies.
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QUOTE(batman1172 @ May 8 2023, 09:30 AM)
This is good summary. I'm looking for a replacement phone for my mum and looking at models of Xiaomi, Poco and Redmi gave me a headache. they look the same only for a normal user like me.

Just a question about 11T - I remember 3-4 years back shop seller tell me dont buy Mediatek chip phones cause it heat up and will slow down long term. Is that true? that's why I always end up with snapdragon redmi for my mum and dad.
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MediaTek used to have heat up issues with their inferior Helio 4G Chipsets, but their new 5G Dimensity Chipsets (1200, 1300, 8100, 9000) are now more power efficient, and heat up less easily. The fact their new Dimensity chips are on same TSMC manufacturer process as Apple iPhone Bionic processor is also a bonus for trustworthiness.

At the time of launch of Xiaomi 11T, MediaTek reputation and history was the "hot chipset", but 2021 until 2023 shown that new MediaTek chips (specifically Dimensity) are even cooler and more power efficient than Snapdragon (specifically the Snapdragon chips on Samsung nodes)

In fact the Snapdragon 888 (Samsung 5nm) on Mi 11T Pro more hotter than the Dimensity 1200 (TSMC 6nm) on Mi 11T, because Samsung nodes are prone to heating than TSMC, see Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 (Samsung 4nm) is much worse 8+ Gen 1 (TSMC 4nm).

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QUOTE(real_cranium @ May 8 2023, 09:53 AM)
I used Redmi K20 / Mi 9T immediately before the Poco F3. The 9T also died on me with possible charging port issue. Hence the hesitance of buying yet another Redmi, Poco, Xiaomi. I used to love my Redmi Note 3 though. I humbly thank you for your extensive replies.
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Ahh Mi 9T had only 1 year warranty right, they only introduced the 2 year warranty from Mi 10T onwards in Malaysia, and the 3 Android update policy from Mi 11T onwards.

Very sorry to hear that Xiaomi phones died on you quite frequently. 😅

Just curious, what is your budget since your phone died suddenly? Maybe can look at other brands.
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QUOTE(Skeuomorphic @ May 8 2023, 07:22 AM)
Pages for Poco F5 & F5 Pro are up on xiaomi AE site if you wanna go through the specs:

Poco F5: https://www.mi.com/ae/product/poco-f5/specs
Poco F5 Pro: https://www.mi.com/ae/product/poco-f5-pro/specs
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Damn standard Poco F5 only comes in 256GB storage options, China market gets 512GB and 1TB storage. 👀 Hopefully it is priced right in Malaysia.
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Anyone here experience cannot connect to PC, vibration weird sound problem and SIM card not detected issue on pocophone?
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Anyone here experience cannot connect to PC, vibration weird sound problem and SIM card not detected issue on pocophone?
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Those seem unsual, which model are you using?
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QUOTE(ASoulNamedLeo @ May 8 2023, 10:53 AM)
Damn standard Poco F5 only comes in 256GB storage options, China market gets 512GB and 1TB storage. 👀 Hopefully it is priced right in Malaysia.
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yeah looks like standard F5 will only come with 8/256 & 12/256 variant here
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