BTW, according to malaysia inn keeper act 1952

"inn" means any hotel, boarding-house or other place where any person is harboured or lodged for any kind whatsoever of hire or reward and where any domestic service whatsoever is rendered by the owner, lessee, principal tenant, occupier or manager to the person so harboured or lodged, licensed under any written law for the time being in force in Peninsular Malaysia;

so you tell me, what he is running here consider 'inn' or not

"inn" means any hotel, boarding-house or other place where any person is harboured or lodged for any kind whatsoever of hire or reward and where any domestic service whatsoever is rendered by the owner, lessee, principal tenant, occupier or manager to the person so harboured or lodged, licensed under any written law for the time being in force in Peninsular Malaysia;

inn keeper act 1952

very old act i mind you

You need to have a wank and sleep it off.
Screaming for your pound of flesh when recovery ops haven’t been completed is a bit premature.
But, if
You want apportion blame, be my guest.

need you expert english reading skill here

"inn" means any hotel, boarding-house or other place where any person is harboured or lodged for any kind whatsoever of hire or reward and where any domestic service whatsoever is rendered by the owner, lessee, principal tenant, occupier or manager to the person so harboured or lodged, licensed under any written law for the time being in force in Peninsular Malaysia;

what does it mean? did father's organic farm fit this?

It is a camp ground not an inn, as there are no rules governing that, the landowner can make it up as they see fit.
Local authorities didn’t see fit to investigate or enquire.
Campers satisfied with the arrangement, there is compulsion on anyone to come stay.
What is unfortunate is that the location made it vulnerable to a landslide.

didn't he harbor person on a reward?

There is no building. Campers bring their own tents.
If anything, you should be looking at laws governing parking lots for vehicles.

To keep musing is pointless, you have already determined that the landowner is to blame.
You should be satisfied in your own mind then.

This post has been edited by dickybird: Dec 22 2022, 08:49 PM

need to be licensed to be defined as "inn"

What domestic service is rendered to the campers? So it is by definition not even an inn since there is no actual building even.
Sao pei la

This post has been edited by dickybird: Dec 22 2022, 08:53 PM

The law is clear you cannot build any commercial building there. When you asked them that time, the agriculture department or tourism department does not know your land is agriculture. If they know they will say NO to you also. Unless you are able to convert the land usage.


You just need to get a general license. There is no such thing camping license, swimming license. If you get a resort license will do for example. Btw you think the authority is stupid is it they will ask you to show them the land title, once they see it, they also will reject your application.


If you build a rabbit farm,BBQ business for visitors, the state gov can take back your land since you breach the usage term. You can build a house for your workers to stay in also no problem. If nothing happens they just take back your tanah.

If landslide like this without license, the victims may sue you for negligence but you can jus declare bankruptcy and victims cant get compensated.

who is lying here? who say no need license?

SHAH ALAM: Some of the estimated 61 campsites under the Hulu Selangor municipality are unlicensed, with a part of them even encroaching on government land, the state government revealed.


State local government committee chairman Ng Sze Han said the Hulu Selangor Municipal Council (MPHS) had carried out a census in 2018 on campsites under its jurisdiction but this needed updating to ensure that operators conducted their activities safely.

“Some of these campsite operators were found to have encroached on government land,” he told a press conference yesterday.

Ng added that the MPHS had met with resort and campsite operators to ensure the activities they carried out were safe.


He also announced that the Selangor government was in the process of formulating guidelines for campsites in the state.

“We need to learn from the (Batang Kali) tragedy and regulate all camping or glamping activities,” he said, adding that they were now conducting out a survey on all types of campsites as these were not clearly specified under the business licence category.

He acknowledged that local councils did not have specific regulations for campsite activities, saying these were “sub-activities” run by hotel and resort owners.


“Camping and kayaking are considered sub-activities, so the operators need to apply for a business licence. The census will determine if existing sites are ecologically sensitive or risky areas,” said Ng.

Once the census is completed, he said a workshop would be held with relevant stakeholders to draft the guidelines.

“Campsites are always in inconspicuous areas near rivers or forests, and this is not made aware of by the local councils,” he said, adding that the state government would work with the Selangor Forestry Department on developing the guidelines.

Sao pei la

Sabar la...
Not that we can do anything here....
Tak kan the owner will read this thread and feel bad, right?

problem is operators like these is usually lepasan SPM

not many qualified geologists in Malaysia can make conclusive decisions

in Msia as long as got pay duit kopi, semua jalan

It's a loophole that has been closed in many other countries.

Some US state laws have extended it to say "Inn and camp grounds". Some blanket use the word "accommodation".

Just that our law hasn't been updated since inception.

we are not a well educated or as progressive a country as we would like.
but we will get there

In our case, even the authorities don't know what license to give these operators.

I've been camping in England (Southampton) and Australia (Brisbane), and both countries have camping license. I'm not sure what these license are meant to do but I'll share it here:
In both licenses, these are for private land use

England
https://www.gov.uk/camping-licence-wales

Australia
https://ablis.business.gov.au/service/qld/c...k-approval/4713

Perhaps Malaysia can learn or get some input from these friendly governments.

When want to take action?

yes.
maybe this unfortunately father's farm incident be a lessen.
business always like this.
no need license or enforcement.
until got issue appear, starts to need license & enforcement.