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 Tanah runtuh bukan bermula di Father’s Organic Far

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post Dec 22 2022, 06:54 PM

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How is it a resort?
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post Dec 22 2022, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 06:58 PM)
he got another development plan approved for resort on another plot of land

look like he also aware that he threading a thin line and in fact running a resort business
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Isn’t that another matter. Unrelated to the camp grounds, right?
Not defending but aren’t the requirements different?
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post Dec 22 2022, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Dec 22 2022, 07:05 PM)
Well I purposely hinting chinaman mentality tho admittedly I'm a racist. I read enough chinese manhwa to know Father's organic farmland has young master attitude, always depicted as villains in the story. In a more serious note, I probably think they think from different angle or just don't know some engineering stuffs and we're just looking on different angle. AAs much as people hate the government, when shit hit the fans, people crying for government just proves that people need government.
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Malaysians have raised a bunch of crybabies and tongkat species that think they are special and independent. They want freedom and independence but none of the accountability.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 07:30 PM)
let me just ask you one simple question

what do you think is operator's accountability in this case?
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You cannot make generalisations like that. His accountability is yet to be determined, if any.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:13 PM)
so you think he is not accountable for anything lo
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You failed reading and comprehension ke?
I said TBD.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:18 PM

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Are you a relative of the victims? Do you need a pound of flesh from somebody?
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:19 PM)
so gov's accountability isn't TDB lo?

quite clearly here you just want to point at gov

there is basic responsibility for your patron's safety when you host people on your premise, particularly they are paying for it .
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Never said anything about govt. who do you think will determining what happened and accountability? The govt. that is obvious.
Now that you have brought govt into the talk, they might have some responsibility as well or duty to improve on how land use rules are changed and enforced.
That is also TBD.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:20 PM)
are you the owner? owner's friend? or just simply wanna bash gov?  laugh.gif
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Sao pei la.
I already stated early on, I am not defending anyone. You just failed to read and comprehend.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(ToGMochi @ Dec 22 2022, 08:21 PM)
Landslide kantoi owner for operating campsite without license. Owner use UNO reverse card to kantoi government back. 1-1.
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Lol
Funny right, Nga said campsite unlicensed then state said no need licence.

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post Dec 22 2022, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:28 PM)
why certain species when arguing like say other people failed to read and comprehend?
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Sao pei la,
Why you want to continue to argue over nothing when you failed to read and understand.
You don’t lose face if you own up and say you didn’t read and understand properly, you know?
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:29 PM)
the state didn't say don't need license, it say don't have license for this type of setup

look who failed comprehension here
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So if no licence for this type of setup, what is the default state? No need licence la.
You want to make him apply for a hotel or guesthouse licence? Ridiculous.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:31 PM)
like earlier you called certain race as tongkat species? ohmai
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Why? Now your brain needs a tongkat. Clearly you suck at reading and comprehension.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:35 PM)
whorehouse also don't have license for its setup

so?

you gotta be kidding me lol

BTW, he is charging accommodation on per pax, and having similar check in check out rule like hotel / inn

you say don't need license

ayam just can laugh
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SMH, camping grounds are a relatively new thing here. Local authorities haven’t woken up to how to licence this yet or what guidelines to set and enforce. Isn’t that why state said no licence for this kind of setup?

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post Dec 22 2022, 08:42 PM

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You need to have a wank and sleep it off.
Screaming for your pound of flesh when recovery ops haven’t been completed is a bit premature.
But, if
You want apportion blame, be my guest.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:40 PM)
"inn" means any hotel, boarding-house or other place where any person is harboured or lodged for any kind whatsoever of hire or reward and where any domestic service whatsoever is rendered by the owner, lessee, principal tenant, occupier or manager to the person so harboured or lodged, licensed under any written law for the time being in force in Peninsular Malaysia;

inn keeper act 1952

very old act i mind you
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It is a camp ground not an inn, as there are no rules governing that, the landowner can make it up as they see fit.
Local authorities didn’t see fit to investigate or enquire.
Campers satisfied with the arrangement, there is compulsion on anyone to come stay.
What is unfortunate is that the location made it vulnerable to a landslide.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:46 PM)
didn't he harbor person on a reward?

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There is no building. Campers bring their own tents.
If anything, you should be looking at laws governing parking lots for vehicles.

To keep musing is pointless, you have already determined that the landowner is to blame.
You should be satisfied in your own mind then.

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post Dec 22 2022, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:44 PM)
need you expert english reading skill here

"inn" means any hotel, boarding-house or other place where any person is harboured or lodged for any kind whatsoever of hire or reward and where any domestic service whatsoever is rendered by the owner, lessee, principal tenant, occupier or manager to the person so harboured or lodged, licensed under any written law for the time being in force in Peninsular Malaysia;

what does it mean? did father's organic farm fit this?
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What domestic service is rendered to the campers? So it is by definition not even an inn since there is no actual building even.
Sao pei la

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post Dec 22 2022, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 09:08 PM)
who is lying here? who say no need license?

SHAH ALAM: Some of the estimated 61 campsites under the Hulu Selangor municipality are unlicensed, with a part of them even encroaching on government land, the state government revealed.
State local government committee chairman Ng Sze Han said the Hulu Selangor Municipal Council (MPHS) had carried out a census in 2018 on campsites under its jurisdiction but this needed updating to ensure that operators conducted their activities safely.

“Some of these campsite operators were found to have encroached on government land,”
he told a press conference yesterday.

Ng added that the MPHS had met with resort and campsite operators to ensure the activities they carried out were safe.
He also announced that the Selangor government was in the process of formulating guidelines for campsites in the state.

“We need to learn from the (Batang Kali) tragedy and regulate all camping or glamping activities,” he said, adding that they were now conducting out a survey on all types of campsites as these were not clearly specified under the business licence category.

He acknowledged that local councils did not have specific regulations for campsite activities, saying these were “sub-activities” run by hotel and resort owners.
“Camping and kayaking are considered sub-activities, so the operators need to apply for a business licence. The census will determine if existing sites are ecologically sensitive or risky areas,” said Ng.

Once the census is completed, he said a workshop would be held with relevant stakeholders to draft the guidelines.

“Campsites are always in inconspicuous areas near rivers or forests, and this is not made aware of by the local councils,” he said, adding that the state government would work with the Selangor Forestry Department on developing the guidelines.
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post Dec 23 2022, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Dec 23 2022, 02:02 AM)
It's a loophole that has been closed in many other countries.

Some US state laws have extended it to say "Inn and camp grounds". Some blanket use the word "accommodation".

Just that our law hasn't been updated since inception.
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