As I said gomen officer and the business owner bear responsibility and shud be fined but we can't put the blood in their hand.

We are talking adults victims here. They shud have analyse the weather, is it suitable to go camping?

U drink then drive ur fren car. U died. So whose wrong?

Both aso wrong.

I read you. Hope you don't mind me, tweet a bit (add two words) to your original. Excuse my itchy hand 🙏

"It involves nature but the cause is not natural in nature at all"

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Dec 21 2022, 10:44 AM

He need not but he shud have stop ppl coming to camping as any sane person would know is not save to camp at hillside when raining season. This is leisure camping. Shud have seasons. This is the logical and right precaution.

I actually have a question about this. Is it illegal for a business to rent out their properties? Let's say I run a restaurant, can I rent it out to someone and they use it for non F&B activities like shooting a movie?

In Malaysia or many part of the world also like that one, if there is no law/black white written, everything can be do it in a way of both side mutual agree or in a way to operate via grey area (mean is not legal or not illegal).

Assume your above scenario.
You owned a restaurant for F&B. Someone want to book your place for shooting indoor movie. They pay you and book your place via mouth/mutual agreement.

What if next day when you resume back to work, you open your freezer found a dead body inside. Here comes the drama. If there is no black/white contract, both side will held responsibility juga. Is up to the police want to charge you or not, or charge the another party or not. Unless found evidence is killed by someone etc..

if you got permission from the property owner and the film producer has a permit from Finas, then you are good to go.

So, the farm operator is also the property owner so that is settled. Is it the farm operator or the campers that need to get a permit for camping then?

No law to say visitors must get a permit to enter the farm. But there is law that the owner must register his business.

Register the business for what exactly?

Also, going back to the restaurant example, does the restaurant have to be registered for every activity that the property is rented out for?

typical human nature buat dulu baru tau

Authority also not sure got license or not..how to blame camp owner. No license how to register.

Selangor has no specific guidelines to regulate campsites and the state government will only now work with the Tourism Ministry to draw them up.

One of the items under the proposed guidelines would be to not allow tents to be set up at the foot of a slope.

“There will be a minimum buffer zone, between the slope and the campsite,” said state exco man Hee Loy Sian.

Operator should register the business as hostels or chalets since it is providing accomodations. The address will be the farm location. Now, if majlis very hardworking, they will come and check.

Since no laws for a campsite, very likely the business won't be able to operate at all. The operator then appeal which may take several months with supporting documents and planning details.

Like it or not still need to go through such lengthy procedures before can even start the business.

No such thing as operate the business first then only talk later. Doing so without permission will risk everything. Plus, no insurance for such businesses.

it depends on the circumstances. If the film producer only came to film a few hours per day, your restaurant business can run as usual, no extra work from you. Important that the producer gets the finas permit. Prepare an agreement as well that the producer will bear all the liability or accidents incurred during the filming. Who knows if your customers get injured during filming?

If you rent out your entire place to the producer, you only need to prepare the agreement to safeguard your premise and ensure they have the required permits. If no permit you may kena if big things happen.

it will be back to the question. is this like a random one of thing. or it is a consistent stream of income. if you really open a restaurant, or a studio? each business and premises will surely have their guideline, if conflicting, surely can't happen right.. i.e if the shooting will interrupt with the kitchen, food, raw material storage etc. e.g u shooting a scene involve some animal like live rats, insects and etc in the kitchen, you think will allowed "easily". Of course, you can close one eye, but utltimately that is not ethical, and ofcourse if found out, might be fine too.

similarly, for doing tourism, accommodation and etc, they also have the guideline.. if they hit all the requirements, why can't they get a permit? requirement are there for a reason. the "no such permit" is more like you want to do it that way (doing accommodation without its requirement), no such permit..

Is the farm providing accommodation or is the farm renting out its properties where the renters use it as an accommodation?

Sure, live animals in a kitchen is breaking some laws regarding restaurant safety but does people camping in a farm break any laws regarding farm safety? Don't farmers also sometimes camp out in farms?

This post has been edited by ReoAyanami: Dec 21 2022, 01:00 PM

Farmers do camp at their own farms but not until 100+ people la. At most maybe 10 people all together.

Right now, the operator only has the permission to run a farm. Whether or not they rent out the land for tourism is another story.

should a farm, house 100+ people overnight? most for accommodation type business there are some guidelines needed. for example, evacuation process/SOP and misc safety standards, max occupancy and etc. are all those met? farmer staying in the farm is not business, if they are worker and farm during the stay, u can say that they are protected via the worker contract, work safety hazards (socso stuff).. but as a non-employee. what protects the customer except their own ass. yes, this landslide is maybe not avoidable even with safety SOP like evac path and location in place. but business need to identify risk, like fire, flood etc, and have a proper mitigation for the customers and some of those are what the "requirement" for the permit.

also farmers do it, does mean it is safe.

so if a resturant worker eat leftover food which are contaminated (maybe they very poor). is it mean is right and met standard that a restaurant should operate?

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 21 2022, 01:23 PM

So, now you are saying that there shouldn't be so many people there but companies do company events on their on premises all the time. What if there was a camping company event at the farm for employees and their family and there are 100+ people staying there overnight. Does the business need to apply for licenses and permit for such an event just because there will be a lot of people?

Are the camp operators legally required to provide more safety SOP than what they provide to their workers? All the stuff you mentioned sounds like it should be there for their workers too.

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you see this, the judge will believe it is not a business or not? got check in check out time somemore.