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 Tanah runtuh bukan bermula di Father’s Organic Far

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desmond2020
post Dec 20 2022, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(jmas @ Dec 20 2022, 09:15 PM)
terrace farming used by human over hundreds of years, in many cases it helped in controlling soil erosion rather than causing landslide
and if their word can be believed, its not the cause this time since its on opposite side of the landslide
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well, i just leave this here

Despite having a long history, mechanisms behind terracing and the overall effects of this technique are still poorly understood. Although terracing-related research has been conducted globally over the last few decades, at a site- or plot-scale, the conclusions from these small-scale studies are inconsistent (Chen et al., 2017). However, several relevant studies have described the drawbacks or possible negative effects of terracing. A number of researchers reported that abandoned and newly-built terraces may cause deterioration of soil conditions (e.g., stability, nutrient, erosion-resistence) (Calsamiglia et al., 2018; Gallart et al., 1994). The reasons for these findings are related to the specific structure, construction material, and vegetation cover of terraced fields, which may differ across ecosystems, resulting in a variation of ecosystem services (Wei et al., 2016). Especially terraced landscapes across the world have degraded significantly in recent decades, as a result of changes in economic and social activities (e.g., rural labor force and population transfer, urban expansion, slumps in agriculture and uncertainty regarding tenure) (Schoenbrodt-Stitt et al., 2013). These degraded landscapes may have negative effects on ecosystems and pose a threat to human wellbeing. In many regions, the abandonment of terraces due to socioeconomic development, has increased water and soil erosion as well as the risk of slope collapse. Thus, the effects of terracing on ecosystems and human welfare are highly complex and it is challenging to draw general conclusions about the effects of terraces while considering the variability in associated plant species, terrace age, spatiotemporal distribution, land use, and topography.
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 20 2022, 09:17 PM)
Seriously not getting the point. I'm not defending the operator at all yet you keep coming back to this and absolving incompetent authorities.
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don't get it, gov did have plenty of guideline for hotel and resort business

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oh well
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(jmas @ Dec 20 2022, 08:57 PM)
I think he got explain this pic as well, its not erosion, they are developing "terrace farm", and its on the opposite side of the landslide
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oh my bad, i didn't fully follow through.
thx for the clarification.

hope the victim get well compensated tho
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 20 2022, 09:20 PM)
don't get it, gov did have plenty of guideline for hotel and resort business

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oh well
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Hotels and resort are usually not situated in higher risk areas.

I dunno if east coast island resorts and ferry operators are regulated more than normal hotels due to risk of monsoon. But operators there self-regulate because they know the danger.
This idiot farm obviously didn't.

I'm comparing monsoon to landslides since both are well known annual issues here and can claim human lives easily.

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post Dec 20 2022, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 20 2022, 09:23 PM)
Hotels and resort are usually not situated in higher risk areas.

I dunno if east coast island resorts and ferry operators are regulated more than normal hotels due to risk of monsoon. But operators there self-regulate because they know the danger.
This idiot farm didn't.
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is it? genting and berjaya resort say hi

you are from which universe?
jmas
post Dec 20 2022, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 20 2022, 09:20 PM)
don't get it, gov did have plenty of guideline for hotel and resort business

rolleyes.gif

oh well
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I think this one explained in the press con as well,
some govt dept told them since they got no permanent structure for staying, the hotel and resort permit not applicable to them
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 20 2022, 08:58 PM)
FYI HSE act is actually self regulating laws

you need demonstrate to DOSH you had done all reasonable precaution

on gov side, how you approve a resort on a farm land?

is this fairy tales?
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You just expanded the scope 100x 😂

Dosh doesn’t include land assessments for landslide. They only need to know precautionary means have been taken.

And there’s nature force which doesn’t fall into anyone’s control.
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:33 PM

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Imo, i think organizer should be responsible for the death, Tachi kuat. Your place you gotta deal with it, said know there is pictures of erosion of land and its 8mths ago, then opperator should stop operate then. You organize you gotta keep your client safe.

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desmond2020
post Dec 20 2022, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(jmas @ Dec 20 2022, 09:28 PM)
I think this one explained in the press con as well,
some govt dept told them since they got no permanent structure for staying, the hotel and resort permit not applicable to them
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my eyesight is poor but that dont look to be temporary structure to me
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 20 2022, 09:37 PM)
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my eyesight is poor but that dont look to be temporary structure to me
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oh well, I dunno how local govt there define "permanent structure"
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(jmas @ Dec 20 2022, 09:45 PM)
oh well, I dunno how local govt there define "permanent structure"
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someone in council told me, if your column have footing, then it is farking permanent structure
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:51 PM

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terrace farming is not simple. The slope and depth of terrace need to be well calculated. the degree and the height of the slope need to be taken into consideration.
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post Dec 20 2022, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(pakmulau @ Dec 20 2022, 09:15 PM)
i dont know what the permit involves with this type of business

but sure have to register somewhere either tourism or something

you collect money then sure it will involves OSH for all your clients or guess and your workers

maybe i'm wrong here
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well i thought something like camp that have facility let say flying fox must special permit to have them operating. for safety and so on

i found this

https://www.motac.gov.my/perkhidmatan/dafta...jek-pelancongan

JENIS PROJEK
Terbahagi kepada 2 jenis projek iaitu :

Projek Penginapan
Hotel
Pusat Peranginan/Resort
Motel / Inn / Rest House
Chalet
Khemah Percutian

Projek Bukan Penginapan
Taman Bertema
Pusat Kraf tangan dan Pameran Kebudayaan Yang Bersepadu
Galeri dan Muzium
Taman Marina
Restoran Pelancongan
Pusat Persidangan / Pameran
desmond2020
post Dec 20 2022, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 20 2022, 09:51 PM)
terrace farming is not simple. The slope and depth of terrace need to be well calculated. the degree and the height of the slope need to be taken into consideration.
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kenapa kira kalau boleh hantam saja?
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post Dec 20 2022, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(pakmulau @ Dec 20 2022, 09:15 PM)
i dont know what the permit involves with this type of business

but sure have to register somewhere either tourism or something

you collect money then sure it will involves OSH for all your clients or guess and your workers

maybe i'm wrong here
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Father's Organic Farm. register as a Farm/Pertanian la. apa lagi.
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post Dec 20 2022, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Dec 20 2022, 05:51 PM)
all carparks has the same tnc? If you come park your kereta and pay us, you bear all the risk.
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Courts already determined such clause to be illegal and not applicable. If customer pay to park inside, then it is responsibility of car park operator to take care of parked vehicles' safety. In fact, KPDNHEP already said, even displaying such disclaimer is itself illegal and can be fined.
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post Dec 20 2022, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 20 2022, 10:04 PM)
Father's Organic Farm. register as a Farm/Pertanian la. apa lagi.
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"Lim Pe" Farm
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post Dec 20 2022, 10:15 PM

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Banyak kali aku cakap as the owner or the host of the place they should take precautions, prevention method, maintenance.

Dia macam, buat rumah atas tanah sendiri, tapi tanah rendah, lepas tu kena banjir tiap tahun macam kat pantai timur.

Bukan nak hentam, tapi jangan la masa masa sekarang ni keluar statement bukan tanah aku, itu tanah kerajaan. Wakil FOF patut serah kepada peguam je kes ni.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 20 2022, 10:01 PM)
kenapa kira kalau boleh hantam saja?
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kira kira bukan budaya kita. whistling.gif
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post Dec 20 2022, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 20 2022, 10:04 PM)
Father's Organic Farm. register as a Farm/Pertanian la. apa lagi.
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i mean that camping site lah

you got clients so sure it involves OSH elements

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