it is not illegal to sell you body

but it is a crime to solicits for it

I believe factory operating license would have explicitly disallow the building being used for accommodations.

Then they shouldn't proceed with the idea lor.
From the response the owner like want to running away.

Said they will be responsible. In what way? Give condolences post only?

saying the landslide originated from other piece of land is actually pretty lame

ayam almost spit out water ayam drinking when i read that lol

Many new type of businesses like ride eHailing, food delivery, Airbnb etc also start operating way before authorities come out with regulations.

Regulators will forever be playing catch up with new business idea. Many airlines regulations were drafted after catastrophe happened.

aaah so convenient of them to blame the government but not themselves.

memang apa sarahan saya.

Because not illegal to do so.
Same like if so sign say no uturn that means can uturn

there is no license to kill too......

Wait for some genius say why state no construct wall to prevent flood from sea. Think I saw similar over past few days regarding the landslide.

Oh you mean loophole..
An agriculture land but got nice scenery. Let's turn it to campsite.. I bet they made up the story want to apply permit but actually never apply in the first place.

This post has been edited by nazrul90: Dec 20 2022, 08:18 PM

From photo
Riverside camp maybe 2-3 km away
But the hillside camp look very very close leh…

But there are law that say cannot kill.
Unless there are laws that say cannot operate camp

Council already said no such permit. Apply nonsense la.

No permit exist = no guidelines to prevent/mitigate disaster.

I see both side also cb. But people only wanna kecam operator.

there are ample of laws say site owner is responsible for safety of its visitors

don't trust my word for it, ask any lawyer

council already zoned it for 'AGRICULTURAL' purpose

what you want anyway?

Guess which country's law is this

18. Duties of an occupier of a place of work to persons other than his employees.
(1) An occupier of non-domestic premises which has been made available to persons, not being his employees, as a place of work, or as a place where they may use a plant or substance provided for
their use there, shall take such measures as are practicable to ensure that the premises, all means of access thereto and egress therefrom available for use by persons using the premises, and any plant
or substance in the premises or provided for use there, is or are safe and without risks to health.
(2) A person who has, by virtue of a contract or lease or otherwise, an obligation of any extent in relation to -
(a) the maintenance or repair of a place of work or any means of access thereto or egress therefrom; or
(b) the prevention of risks to safety and health that may arise from the use of any plant or substance in the place of work, shall for the purpose of subsection (1) be deemed to have control of the matters to which his
obligation extends.

if you are operating it for commercial purpose, you are bound to have duty of care for your customers.

the biggest downfall of this incident is the hill erosion pictured on internet too obvious to ignore.

yes the owner is regretful, does not wish harm etc. but still "duty of care" is the core of any service businesses, and failure to fulfill the obligation could harm the safety of client, and in this case, life lost.


after all it's consensual use of service, but owner side still hold the guilt of not taking precaution of the "obvious" land erosion. i do not wish jail penalty etc towards the owner, but hope he/she will compensate well for the family of this incident, by compensate i dont mean 10k, i mean at least 500k per person.

Already 5 pages... no one write ask Nga Kor Ming come out and explain what type of permit required by the operators....

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2022/12/...icence-says-nga

Aiyo you obviously don't get the point on non existent regulation or licensing.

You think landslide only can occur here? What about the rest of the Kinabatangan Range?
Not the only time landslide occur on this mountain.