Yes, the answer is no....

I don't even have a degree when I started working in Singapore.... I remember my starting pay was just $1300 as a PC technician.

After that go study part-time, gotten my IT degree only at 36yo..... Then after that go study masters in business management. Completed it at 42yo... Now, 44yo. Next year, going for study phd.... its jsut for personal goal. No doubt I am slower than many pple and even many many singaporeans/malaysians, by my salary is still pretty decent for my age, after including bonus, I get around $7800 a month. Now assistant maanger managing IT-dept in my company.

I saw a thread about parents sending kids oversea to study blah blah...Do you really need it? NOPE..... IF you intend to let your kids work in SG, then degree is not necessary. Can start working first. Then study part-time later. The best thing is that you can even get company to sponsor your studies (I didn't).

My colleague (Malaysian Work-permit), is doing his diploma at SIM now. ITs fully sponsor by my company. Just that he will be bonded for 6-months (meaning cannot quit within 6-months after completing studies). So, if you are good, there are many companies who are willing to sponsor your studies and groom you. Even help you apply for PR (if you wish to stay in SG for long term).

So, don't need to worry at all......

Mods please move tered to jobs & careers tq

Stool cory dupe

if want work for someone else. yes. need.

Up to you whether you want to bleive or not... Plenty of examples here.... You can go ask around how many malaysians work and study in Singapore, then eventually gotten citizenship. Way too many to count.

Btw, its not just malaysians. OTher coutnries too. Back then when I was studying, there are pple from philippines, India and Myanmar. During my masters, there are a few ang mohs too.... Company send them to study and its fully sponsored.

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Dec 5 2022, 09:06 AM

I don't even have a diploma .
Didn't do well in form 5, fail all BM papers.
Cannot enter college.

Look at me today. What do you say?

Parents is correct.
Pump the kid max while still young.

Depends... If u want to be lawyer, doctor, accountant, certified engineer, teacher or university lecturer... Definitely you need it. The rest... I don't think required

There are many ways to get to the top of the mountain. Can't say that your way is the best. I have taken professional exams whilst working and i can say, studying while working is really tough. Second, a degree is now entry requirement into the workforce.

got my degree and my salary is almost the same as yours at younger age
you don't need degree, but it's certainly made things easier

your time and now is different. now you will be competing with oversupply of fresh grads.

if you have a degree, you can be assistant manager at the age of 28-29. provided you have the skill and knowledge

zaman dulu and zaman sekarang boleh compare ? and depend on industry too, you apply software dev and engineering jobs, you say no degree, just take course, I doubt you will pass the HR filter

I thought you are strong supporter of SPM ....

Go tell that to ur kids

Is this the rumored labour scam in sg I been hearing?

i have already done that

Degree certificate is your ticket to get a better job prospect during entry level. If you can perform well in your job, it serve as a ticket to secure a place for internal promotion.

you have good attitude.

for me, the moral of the story is to work hard, persevere, don't give up.

parents spend money to give their kids a good education is a good thing. parents cannot afford to give kids a good education, doesn't mean it's an excuse one can give for not being successful.

7800 is not minimum ktards levels of 20k

Unker your time was like what 20 years ago???
That time diploma also consider good
Time moves on
10 years ago Degree is already consider basic entry
Of course there always exception of few very oustanding individuals without degree also can be billionaire
But for Average Joe Jane, degree is nowadays minimum ticket entry to executive level job
As for career ladder, even MBA is now required by most MNC for new senior manager above

You have concluded that Singapore doesn't required Degree - because u can go and applied and salary will go on up with number of years of experience - and still doesn't required a degree. (only IT field - that happen to you) what about the rest of the fields?

and yet you take degree?

SPECIFIC JOBS NEED SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS

KEPALA BUTOH TS INGAT BECOME SURGEON NO NEED SKILLS THRU HIGHER EDUCATION

44 years old with sgd7.8k at singapore consider middle income right?

your era still have chance as not many ppl having degree (yet) - thats why some company still willing to fund you for diploma and degree [this initiative still happen when i 2" join kuli company ..but now..wait la..]

now if you freshgrad 2" dont have degree (toilet paper) ; your application will automatic filter out ..how to get opportunity if your resume was getting filtered out by BOT?

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Dec 5 2022, 09:50 AM

Better if got degree

TS, do you get the SGD7.8k/mth salary without your degree and masters?

I have degree, but work kerja2 kampung anything can do as long as got money. Sad lief

do u need to dig a hole with a shovel? no
do u need to hit the nail with a hammer? no

but doesn't mean u shudn't

its better to get your first degree if possible before start work ..
you start higher up the ladder with more opportunities..
and salary gap between tech and engineer is wide .

Boomers bro

Of course you don't need a degree or even any college certificate to work

but if you want to jump start your career fast it is still relevant

Better if you know the right people. connection matters

To reply your topic, of course you don't need degree to work. E-hailing and food delivery don't even need degree.

But having a degree cert will increase your chances of working with top companies and possibly higher starting pay; ultimately depends on your soft and interpersonal skills.
For example, my brother starting pay in SG already close to $4k.

This post has been edited by I-Kurosaki: Dec 5 2022, 10:13 AM

ya TS you are right, grab driver and food delivery also no need degree. security guard and cleaner also no need degree. open your own business and become boss also no need degree.

just i dun understand why u want get a degree, master, phd, when able to work without those.. if you like to study, you can just go study and not graduate like bill gates and mark zukerberg..

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 5 2022, 10:16 AM

i spm also dont have. straight before pmr already go work. sales stiker job until now

To your question TS no then and no now

However you come from a time where there was no proliferation of degree holders and lack of high paying jobs. Competition is tougher now , yes skills are important so if you can't cut it with a degree opt for TVET. But if you can then you should try to enrol in one and excel in it

LOL. ME AGE 33 SALARY RM1.8K JE. no problem.

I'll say I have to tell my kids to study hard.

Survivorship bias

YouTube Kan ada? KnoWl3dg3 1s ev3rYwher3

Confirm 100% don't need.... OF course if you want to progress further you need. But its not like you must have one to start working....

You can always work first and then study later...

Boss, can me learn from u? Ayam not hensem but willing to work hard and learn. Attitude also wiling to change hope to be like boss generous and humble. Kamsia

Means u need to do something out of ordinary
Like make calls to the hiring staff.. buy coffee etc .
Try and sell urself. Of course it's not 100% . But that's the only way to get past bot filter

Which unis your got your degrees from?

Where do I sign up for the OF course. I wanna start streaming while I'm still young....

SGD $7800 incl bonus at 44 is decent ? It just twice garbage collector salary

It's for self fulfillment....

U see those old uncles getting PhD. ... U think they take it for work?

If convert he is qualified to be a /k member.

Do you really need a degree in order to work? no.

but u complete your degree @ 36 yrs old.

SME maybe got chance la with call and "bribe" to hiring staff

MNC if want to do exception; you need strong justification to entire management with shine technical achievements from applicants [like you holding patents that generate $$$$]

usually hiring staff and management wont do that as this will attract additional unwanted noise.

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Dec 5 2022, 10:41 AM

provided he stays eat in JB..but in Spore with his age..that's still low.

if TS say no need degree, then why TS go and study for that?

LOL

You need education (which conveniently can say a degree or the least a cert) to progress in your career.

Yourself sendiri pergi belajar, parttime degree and Masters..

if you wanna make example of no need degree in order to work, heck everyone knows that.. just go work at McD right after SPM, tadaaa...you got work with SPM cert..

This post has been edited by das99990428: Dec 5 2022, 10:33 AM

99% of ppl have linear thinking...either or, either or

Yep so if got no paper need to prove with portfolio and experience , and need to sell by talking to people... Can't rely on automated job application.

Ytd I watch a video on YouTube about how a guy became a plastic surgeon, his grades were not as good as others and he couldn't get get into uni to be doctor. So he resorted to calling admissions office finally got one girl agreed to help to talk to her superior and got him an interview. He said sometimes u just gotta try since you got nothing to lose.of course maybe nowadays more difficult because company might say just send in Ur application online .... In the past u send in hardcopy and people had to filter it manually so might be easier ... People will definitely have some bias . Computer doesn't .. u write a personal statement for people to read some sob story like this is my dream since young blablabla people might take that into account. Computer say fk it no degree filter algorithm kikc u out

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Dec 5 2022, 10:36 AM

Maafkan lah dia... dia lambat sikit dari segi pemikiran beliau, hence konon-nya nak make example out of him for others to learn (no degree can work), but still tak menjadi..

I support move over. Then my many replies can be accumulated to my replies count. K/ tak boleh. 😅

And yes. No need degree if not studying professional courses. Waste money and waste time. Especially those that study glamour subjects when u come out still is lowest rank and know nothing.

Of course no need

You ask those flipping burgers at mcdonalds they got degree or not

got degree also cannot help solve real world problem face in each company. these problem solving require experience.

Duh, I said you don't need a degree in order to work. But if you want to progress further etc. then you may need one.

Career progression is different from starting a job.

Haha, can see many pple here english fail... I mention no degree is needed to work. But I never said its not needed for career progression.

and not to mention some jobs really need you to have your degree before you can even get hired.

but no, you dont need a degree to start working. Dont be picky when you cant be picky.

Yup, thanks for the answer.

fuh.. thanks captain obvious. if you have not "corrected" that.. it would be a more fun to discuss. now it is just pure useless statement. tons of people working (low pay jobs) even before they go to uni or in between middle school and uni period. simply ask any SPM student, no one will say can't find low paying job without a degree..

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 5 2022, 12:01 PM

Yes, the answer is no....

I don't even have a degree when I started working in Australia.... I remember my starting pay was just $1300 as a busboy.

After that go study part-time, gotten my Culinary Arts degree only at 36yo..... Then after that go study masters in food science with business management. Completed it at 42yo... Now, 44yo. Next year, going for study phd.... its jsut for personal goal. No doubt I am slower than many pple and even many many australians/malaysians, by my salary is still pretty decent for my age, after including bonus, I get around $88,800 a month. Now executive sous-chef in my firm

I saw a thread about parents sending kids oversea to study blah blah...Do you really need it? NOPE..... IF you intend to let your kids work in Oz, then degree is not necessary. Can start working first. Then study part-time later. The best thing is that you can even get company to sponsor your studies (I didn't).

So, don't need to worry at all......

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Dec 5 2022, 12:02 PM

ah i know someone who worked in kfc with her graphics design degree...reasons no job

inb4 malas

if u are just SPM

u think u can get current position ah?????????????

ya work as kutip sampah, work as toilet cleaner as work........

u dun said ?????????????????????????????

Kek

Got link to the original master piece

lel bodo tard sohai TS penipu scammer

wait... this story is your life story rite?

but did you notice the inconsistency and flaw of your answer of "no" to the question of need a degree to work.

Obviously the answer is no, because there are all sorts of jobs/work.

the real question is which will provide a better chance in getting a decent job. The answer is YES.... and you yourself is proof of it. You went to get a few degrees somemore, although at a much older age.

ah.... basically you admitted to being damn close to a liar and scammer...

white lies equivalent... bravo...

Bodoh

Then u should remain with SPM cert why need to take degree to climb from $1300 to $7800

For long term, yes. You cant keep doing the mess, you can be the one who arrange them too. Not all company will give no degree people for top management position.

what load of rubbish lol

i can also say no need degree also can go singapore become full time house cleaner/ butler there la. then save money study in hospitality and language courses there. then after some decades my life ok comfy. sometimes you lucky the owner so kind, he or she will sponsor your university fees under condition that you will need bonded with his or her family for few years.

not to discredit you, your story is really a non story lol. can be copy pasta the whole thing but replace the starting job with other low tier blue collar job.

This post has been edited by fraudcommission: Dec 5 2022, 02:12 PM

Is true what TS said. Ayam start work with SPM. My diploma in Bac. Eng. Nuclear Psychics no finish. Now ayam big shot in the kompeni drive first class and fly Mercedes.

Dr , nurse , accountant no need degree?

Can You trust them 100% ?

bangla also no need master / degree

You don’t need one in order to just work.
But for many, the desired starting job will require a degree.

I know quite a few people in manufacturing who didn’t have a degree. Perhaps a diploma from a polytechnic.
And then they work towards a part time degree.

Definitely not fun. I’d say doing a part time master is less stressful than a part time degree.

Maybe in countries like US or UK where things are more progressive but for a traditional country like Malaysia, for sure still a need.