Well this is what the thread is for - discussions about Gundam

Imagine Full Frontal shouting "CHAR HAS RETURNED, PUNY EARTH !!" and blasting everything into smithereens in his Sinanju.

Nu had more powerful funnels, the cheating I-field (although he didn't use it vs Sazabi), and his beam sabres' output overwhelmed the Sazabi's.

Again, Char is destined to lose to Amuro. He already gave up his life to stage the final battle. I believe even if he succeeded in crashing Axis down to earth, he would have committed suicide too, possibly by ramming into Ra Cailum or something as he realised that his actions were evil despite having good intentions. Throughout the movie, one can realise that Char did not care about his own life or the glory of the weak Neo Zeon anymore - he only wanted to force mankind to evolve and of course, duel with Amuro.

More on 00. Does this reminds anyone of Astray R, B and X?

not Nu Gundam. Only the pycoframe design cockpit which was upgraded into Nu.



Nu actually had less funnels than sazabi. Although Nu have more powerful beam sabres but Sazabi more sabres + beam tomahawk.

That I field isnt cheapo.. Its also had limitation.. Its takes a while to deploy ,it only protect the front and it cant take concetrated fire.

Overall the Sazabi have way more weaponary and firepower . It some sense i agree with you that Nu just have better quality in his weaponary while Sazabi have quantity.

Let me not remind you that Amuro had to go though like 2 strong MS than fighting the Sazabi. While Sazabi just sat around, kill a few grunts and thats it.

Actuall that force mankind thing was merely his self justification. The whole reason I really mean the WhOLE REASON why he did this is to get even with Amuro.

p.s I think the reason why Nu didnt use his shield cos since the fights are in close quaters so the deploying the shield would make him defenceless to funnels.

This is show that in UC world the outcome of battles can be tense not like CE where is just beam spamu pew pew. Ok Seed Rau vs Kira duel was good but Destiny Rey vs Kira duel SUCKS ASS!.

This post has been edited by redeye84: Oct 12 2007, 09:55 AM

I dun think that Char will Suicide! He the type that wont simply give up life. Ever since he failure in 0079 till Z Gundam! He nvr give up to live onwards! He has onli 1 objective that is to see the human races to realize their mistake and all their stupid deeds to other weaker than them!

In Char's Counter attack! He want to destroy earth becoz most of those hard headed and jerks live on earth (who all got their mind bond to earth gravity!

Was wrong with u and staghazzer. Char is a twisted fellow why do you see him as a good person.

Also despite all the cute and loli pics, Haman is a cruel and evil person.

Char may had look down to the Earth born people but remember It was their will to protect that safe the planet!.. Their will to survive is what help the pychoframe to push Axis from earth orbit.

whoa, gundam 00 definitely has great graphic! the motion is fast and much more detail.. but
hopefully we wont be seeing any recycle scene later in the series

Whoever can name this parody deserves an e-cookie.

The box design almost like the zeta3

Like the simplicity.

Huhu, actually all ver Ka MG box design is similar (white box with the 3D mecha standing)

Yup i agree dat d Sazabi(finally noe d name haha) had more quantity of weapons with him,but i do not agree dat Sazabi is superior to d Nu in terms of speed and firepower..in d scene it was clear dat char lost partly due to his beam saber got outpowered by Nu's..n i believe Nu's funnels are faster n more powerful than dat of d Sazabi..Nu's mobility shud be on par if not better than Sazabi..

Nu was developed later than Sazabi..so it shud be better too..ok dats just plain bull i noe..haha..

Yes i noe Amuro had to deal with 2 powerful mechs b4 reaching char,but it is not true dat Char just killed a few grunts n sat there waiting for Aumuro..rmb about d nukes? Char had to deal with freakin nukes n dat wud be freakin tensed for sure..n not to mention one or two nukes among hundreds of missiles! so it was actually kinda fair in terms of both d pilots' status when they meet..

Char is not twisted..he is just a normal human but with better foresight n visions..he's just a bit extreme dats all..cant blame him for all he's been through..

Haman..she's not really evil is she?

sorry but wats a Sinanju?

ps:sorry for not quoting n all..i'm lazy =P

Sinanju? = Neo Zeon MS unicorn grunts

remember Sazabi have way more thruster than Nu.. So how could Nu be alot faster.

Let me compare firepower.

Sazabi: Beam rifle, Shield missle,fin funnel, Hip cannons
Nu Gundam: Beam Bazoka, Beam rifle, Funnel.

Sazabi hip Mega particle beam already overwhelms Nu already.

I did said near equal ground, Only the Sazabi is slighly better. Also let me remind you that Nu Gundam wasnt completed.. It was rush into combat at prototype phase.

I cant see How can you say both pilot had fair status. Amuro had to dodge, attack, dive and coordinate the battlefield. While Char just sat around and use da force!! Funnel did most of the work.. No physical chore.. Even Nanai did most of the commanding.

Now here's some good debate.

First of all, the funnel I-field provides 360 degree protection. Although Amuro only used it to block the Alpha Azeiru's attack from the front, the animation clearly shows that it encloses the Nu in within.

Sazabi: 6 x funnel (mounts beam gun, power rated at 10.6 MW)
Nu : 6 x fin funnel, stored on backpack storage rack

Same amount of funnels although we don't know the output of the Nu's. I put my cash on it being on par or even superior to the Sazabi's; as Gyunei was surprised how powerful the beam shots from the Fin Funnels were when they clashed.

As for the beam sabres, despite having 3 beam blades Char can only wield two at once. And with two underpowered sabres, it's understandable that he'd lose when they clash blades.

The mega particle cannon at the waist was indeed powerful with 8.8MW output energy, yet it's a scattering shot not a concentrated fire. Same case with the Sazabi's shotgun. Scattered shots only work well in close quarters, and since Amuro kept his distance, Char couldn't get a clear shot.

It's clear that Char was not an assault pilot in the battlefield, he's only there to supervise things. He's not even the platoon commander. And why aggressively attack the EF forces when he could just sit back and snipe the incoming grunts or some nukes? His main aim is to drop Axis, not to accumulate kills.

Nu didn't use the I-field shields because the funnels were destroyed. The sole funnels of both Nu and Sazabi were destroyed when they fought near Axis.

I agree that Char was using the evolution of mankind as a beautiful excuse to drop Axis when his intention was to duel with Amuro; yet he does have a dream of seeing mankind developing into newtypes. Not forgetting that he's a spacenoid, hence bearing some hatred towards Earth would not be unexpected.

Finally, Kira vs Rau was good in terms of action, yet Rau totally owned Kira in the verbal sparring. At least Char and Amuro b*tched towards each other with all sorts of reasons from their own perspectives, unlike Kira's crappy responses.

I don't see where I'm wrong. It's just a matter of perspective and clearly ours do differ in some ways.

I don't see Char as a good person; yet he's not totally evil like Scirocco, Bask, or even Rau. He's just fulfilling his dad's dream of newtypes while at the same time fulfilling the selfish agenda of fighting Amuro. Good intentions, bad effects. A bit like Miliardo's idea of stopping war with an apocalypse.

Characters with shades of grey are much more interesting than one-dimensional people such as the pink pop princess.

Haman... hehe.. seriously we don't know much about why did she become so evil. Maybe a complete story of CDA would shed some light.

Sinanju = Full Frontal's Sazabi-wannabe badass mecha.
Geara Zulu = Neo Zeon grunts in Unicorn.

How do you define fair? The only fairness is if they used the same machines with identical stats and equipment. Amuro did not have to coordinate, that was Bright's job. Amuro basically just went away on his own and took on Quess and Gyunei (apart from downing grunts for fun). Then again, as mentioned above, Char's job was not to fight, but to ensure that his goons dropped Axis onto Earth.

Then again, Char did try to have a fair fight by leaking the psychoframe info to AE for them to build Nu. He could have overwhelmed Amuro in the inferior ReGz (Amuro was still a monster in it though) but he didn't want to fight back then. He was more focused in coordinating his scheme of dropping 5th Luna early in the movie. With this point, I hereby conclude that Char DID want to drop Axis as to force mankind to migrate to space apart from dueling with Amuro.

If he only wanted a duel, he could have just hopped on a Doga and fought Amuro in his ReGz in the first 5 minutes of the movie.

Beavis and Butthead as Amuro and Char ?

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Oct 13 2007, 12:53 AM

Well I agree it wasnt a complete 1 sided mecha specs war unlike Shinn Destiny vs Athrun Savior. where both MS had advantage and disadvantage.

Amuro is still a better pilot IMO, Char kinda gotten soft over the years due to he focus more on politics.



Agree.. that Char has a twisted scenes of thinking. yesterday he can be your friend, next morning you are his enemy.

I define the fairness as in Pilot state of physical and mental, Mecha specs and battlefield condition.

Amuro had to endure more phyical stress than Char. Mecha specs Nu was slightly weaker but Amuro was smart enough to keep the battle to his advantage.

Now i reminded me something about Destiny.

How come Luna pick Force Impulse mode at the final battle.. She should had gone for Gunner Pack since her speciality was always long range support.
I mean Force Impulse was merely rifle and sabres.. you are no diff from a Grunt in such a large battle.

Also Shinn should had more teamwork with Luna or Rey. Eitier Rey provide supression fire while Shinn charge in close. Or Luna Sword pack combo with Shinn.. Double boomerang double swords!! Or Shinn flys around to block enemy escape while Luna Gunner pack do precision firing.

Anyway Shinn really really really failed as a Ace Pilot in many ways.

Last and least.. Minerva vs Archangel. Talia is compete failed.. Minerva is a much newwer ship while Archangel is already an old design.

Also Minerva is way more faster and have near equal weaponary. so

Fukuda please explain how u f***ed up everythihg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry i got carried away again..

Although Archangel is older than Minerva, both ship were not created by the same company/organization. Minerva was created by ZAFT, while Archangel was basically created by Morgonreate (ORB's company), so their technology may differs (which means although Minerva is newer, in some aspect maybe it was inferior to Archangel). Not to mention that Archangel do receive several upgrades in the past 2 years it was in ORB. And also, even ZAFT recruit people from ORB to assists in their weapon development (as stated in Destiny ep 1)

when i said Nu was faster than sazabi i meant its mobility,since it has less stuff on it..

n i believe d mental n physical stress that u get when trying to stop hundreds of misslies coming ur way,with hidden nukes in them is comparable with with d mental and physical stress that amuro had..though amuro's may be a little more stressful but still..it wudnt be too much of a difference? anyway just how i think..

n im sure Nu's funnels are way more powerful than Sazabi's..well dis assumption is based on d animations in d movie dat i saw=P

regarding minerva vs archangel..lets drop the GSD disscussions..makes me feel sad everytime i think about it..GSD had so much opportunity and potential in it..sad case..

I do think that Nu's funnel is much stronger than Sazabi's. Not mentioning its size compared to Sazabi's, beam projected via Nu's funnel seems a lot stronger than Sazabi's(Nu's fin funnel got their own power reactor, as opposed to Sazabi's funnel which need to reload after the energy cap on its funnel is used up)

Wins. I thought I'm the only one who can name the most legendary show ever to come out of MTV before it got fagged up by teh Joos.

Now where's my cookie?

Well we've finished the CCA discussion... and I don't even want to start on the GSD one. Let's just say that the characters were all nerfed by the bad writing (and also the absolute requisite of glorifying Lacus and Friends. The selection of packs were pretty much based on marketing requirements too. Blast Impulse was only used once in the early episodes, and once they realised that it was neglected, Shinn was "forced" to use it vs Abyss. Now tell me which pilot in their sane mind would use a long range firepower support unit to go head on into assault?

Just think of using the Guncannon for melee

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Oct 13 2007, 11:12 AM

Well with some decent teamwork Blast impulse would do justice.

hi,when will the next episode available for download???just curious lol

Wow here got really good discussion on Char VS Amuro!

Chars Sazabi may have faster speed than Nu due to the thruster at the back but he sacrifice the Sazabi reflex becoz of the armor Sazabi! It limit Sazabi turning and action against Nu!

Beside that Nu Funnel is a more advance Funnel than Sazabi which was some old funnel since Zeta gundam Quibeley!

Char is indeed a more interesting character than amuro and other gundam pilot in all gundam anime! He is the best, he is not those absolute justice nor those bad a**! He is just interesting! He is not the best pilot of gundam anime!


About the GSD! Shinn is or is not an ACE is depend on the Director! U remember the scene where he pawn Kira with that lousy Impulse! That was the best action of the whole anime! change 3 type of mecha and all action plan perfectly each after each! The onli bad thing is Kira did not die even in a nuke explossion (damn and i thought onli cockroach was the onli being on earth that can resist the nuclear explossion)

Later when the director of GSD feels that Shinn should not be ACE he just set Athrun to slice Destiny with a single hit and bomb the mecha was broken! Wat bullshit! So waste breath onli! The director is the ACE there! Not any other pilot in GSD!