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 [2023] iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max Discussion, The ultimate iPhone.

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post Jul 29 2023, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Piers @ Jul 28 2023, 07:19 PM)
order direct from apple?
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I think so if wanna get it on first batch biggrin.gif
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post Jul 29 2023, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(imation1314 @ Jul 29 2023, 12:24 AM)
I think so if wanna get it on first batch biggrin.gif
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order direct for a piece of mind 🙊
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post Jul 29 2023, 12:18 PM

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Going to pre-order 2 x iPhone 15 pro max for sure. đŸ€Ș
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post Jul 29 2023, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jul 29 2023, 12:18 PM)
Going to pre-order 2 x iPhone 15 pro max for sure. đŸ€Ș
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that is a lot of cash to splurge 🙈
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post Jul 29 2023, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Piers @ Jul 29 2023, 03:53 PM)
that is a lot of cash to splurge 🙈
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Yeah. Especially the price will be increased for iPhone 15 pro. But if they really start the storage at 256gb, it will be justifiable.
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post Jul 29 2023, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jul 29 2023, 04:09 PM)
Yeah. Especially the price will be increased for iPhone 15 pro. But if they really start the storage at 256gb, it will be justifiable.
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still tolerable 😂

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post Jul 31 2023, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Piers @ Jul 21 2023, 11:51 PM)
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curved front screen🙈
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Curve screen is a mess.
Very expensive screen protector
Very difficult for casing to protect the edges.
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post Jul 31 2023, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(ToniV @ Jul 31 2023, 12:06 PM)
Curve screen is a mess.
Very expensive screen protector
Very difficult for casing to protect the edges.
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personally dislike curved screens too
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post Jul 31 2023, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(ToniV @ Jul 31 2023, 12:06 PM)
Curve screen is a mess.
Very expensive screen protector
Very difficult for casing to protect the edges.
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jul 31 2023, 12:09 PM)
personally dislike curved screens too
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indeed it's not favorable🙈
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post Aug 4 2023, 11:52 AM

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Apple is reportedly preparing the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro lines for launch, as a new report claims their displays are moving into mass production. The company is expected to launch all four new iPhones in September, alongside the Apple Watch Series 9 and potentially a new iPad mini.
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The report comes from the South Korean publication, The Elec, citing sources close to suppliers. According to the publication, Apple has signed off on Product Validation Tests (PVT) – the final stage before products are mass-produced – for the iPhone 15 line. The company is testing these with Samsung Display, one of its three display partners. The other partners include LG and BOE. LG is reportedly on the cusp of preparing mass production, pending some small changes, whereas BOE is having production issues centered around the Dynamic Island. BOE is not expected to meet the launch timeline of the iPhone 15 series.

Apple introduced the Dynamic Island with the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max, last year and now the company is expected to roll it out to all four iPhones 15 entries later this year. Another issue Apple is reportedly experiencing is with the periscope lens rumored to be gracing the iPhone 15 Pro Max. The company is reportedly experiencing a lower yield rate than expected. It's not clear how this may affect the larger iPhone at this time, however.

A solid upgrade for iPhone users
The next iPhone is predicted to be a decent improvement over the current iPhone 14 line, with upgrades hitting all areas of the phone. Rumors include the standard iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus' main camera getting a new 48-megapixel sensor (but not the exact same one as the iPhone 14 Pro Max), the Dynamic Island (as we mentioned above), along with a new periscope lens for the iPhone 15 Pro Max to give it similar zoom capabilities to the best Android phones. Thinner bezels are also reportedly on the menu, meaning we could get either more screen or a smaller chassis.

All of these changes will come at a cost, however, with our iPhone 15 price predictions placing the Pro iPhones at a substantially higher price than their current iterations. Nothing comes for free, and that seems especially true for iPhones.

Source: The iPhone 15 hits a major milestone on the road to release
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post Aug 4 2023, 03:30 PM

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We’re only a month away now from September, and you know what that means: a new iPhone being launched. The upcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro lineup though is set to be one of the biggest revamps of Apple’s smartphones in a long time now, thanks in part to the enforced use of the USB-C port on their devices.
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According to a new report by 9to5Mac, as for when specifically that’ll be, 9to5Mac claims that they’ve seen information pointing towards a 13 September, Wednesday launch event in Cupertino. It seems as though a number of major telcos have already been told to not let employees go on leave on that day due to a major announcement, and while it’s not confirmed to be Apple related just yet, it does make the most sense.

The upcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro is of course slated to feature a USB-C port rather than the Apple’s iconically proprietary Lightning port due to new regulations set in place by the European Union. However, we should also be seeing all four models—the iPhone 15, iPhone 15 Plus, iPhone 15 Pro, and iPhone 15 Pro Max—all adopt Dynamic Island displays too, with Apple skipping the non-Pro iPhones from getting the new design last year.
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On top of that, Apple is also expected to slightly redesign their smartphones this time around. The industrial-looking flat sides that have been around since the iPhone 12 series will now be tweaked to feature minor curved edges instead. The iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max is also likely getting thinner bezels around the display, and the latter may also have a periscope lens on the back for improved optical zoom. The two Pro smartphones will be powered by the new A17 Bionic mobile platform, while Apple is again giving the non-Pro iPhones last year’s A16 Bionic instead.

As for what else we may be seeing, it’s almost certain that Apple will be showing off more about iOS 17. Their latest mobile operating system is already in public beta, and if you want to skip the queue you can click here to read more about how to get iOS 17 on your iPhone today. We might also be seeing the next generation iPad Mini debut during the same event, with the current iPad Mini 6th Gen already hitting two years old at this point.

Source: Is this when Apple is finally launching an iPhone with USB-C?
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Let's see how it goes🙈
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QUOTE(Piers @ Jul 21 2023, 11:51 PM)
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I love it and please it is curve screen, I know many don't but I simply love curve screen, look nicer and easier to hold.

Screen protector? Nah... an item I won't buy. tongue.gif
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the price must be rm6k upwards
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post Aug 7 2023, 09:10 AM

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There are a lot of rumors about all the various upgrades coming to the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max. The one that drew my attention is the claim that Apple will be swapping the stainless steel frame for titanium. More recently it’s been claimed that Samsung may follow that example with the Galaxy S24 Ultra.
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The idea behind using titanium is that it's able to offer comparable strength to stainless steel, but at a much lower weight. Considering how phone companies love to brag about how thin or light their devices are, you can see the appeal. Plus titanium sounds shiny and futuristic, which is sure to appeal to people looking for ways to make their ultra-premium phone stand out more.

As for me? I don’t really understand the point of bringing titanium into the mix — especially if the net benefit is making the phone a couple of ounces lighter.

Titanium is expensive
There have been plenty of rumors floating around claiming that the iPhone 15 Pro series may be subject to a price hike compared to the iPhone 14 Pro. While there are plenty of upgrades that may account for a price increase, not to mention general economic pressures on the supply chain, I can’t help but wonder how much of an impact swapping stainless steel for titanium will have on the iPhone 15 Pro’s price.

Titanium is significantly more expensive than stainless steel. Prices vary based on grade, but since titanium is a much rarer element than both iron and carbon (the main components of stainless steel), the price is significantly higher. We’re talking as little as $1 per kilogram of stainless steel vs $35+ for a kilogram of titanium.

Titanium’s properties, which include high strength to weight ratio and resistance to corrosion among other things, make it rather sought after in industrial use. The aerospace industry in particular uses a heck of a lot of titanium. High demand for a rare commodity has never made the price go down.

Companies as big as Apple have a lot of buying power, and they can presumably use that as leverage when they’re looking for parts and materials. The problem is you’re not likely to get titanium for stainless steel prices anymore than you could buy an iPhone for the price of a Moto g.

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The additional cost of those materials has to be picked up somewhere, and it would be very anti-capitalist for a business to absorb those costs at the expense of its profit margins. That means the customer has to bear the brunt of the cost, which isn’t ideal considering an iPhone 14 Pro already costs a minimum of $999.

Sure, the strength to weight ratio does lower the amount of titanium you need to create a durable phone casing. But that doesn’t change the fact that it is prohibitively more expensive in the first place.

The glass is still a weak link
The thing about smartphones is that they’re still reliant on a big panel of glass on the front — though many premium devices also slap one on the back now, too. Glass is pretty fragile stuff, as many people will attest, and even the latest super-strong phone glass isn’t immune from damage in the right circumstances.

Sure it may not shatter for no apparent reason — like some phones were known to do a decade ago — but even something as simple as an accidental drop can cause some serious damage. You only have to look at what happens to the Samsung Galaxy S23 during drop tests to see that even strengthened smartphone glass is still incredibly fragile. And this phone is one of the few that uses Gorilla Glass Victus 2, the strongest display glass Corning has on offer.

Even Apple’s Ceramic Shield, which is also made by Corning, doesn’t fare so well in drop-testing. And no amount of strengthened metal in the frame is going to change that fact. Not unless someone can figure out how to make transparent aluminum in a cost-effective way.

My point here is that your phone needs adequate protection from damage. Yes, I'm advocating for use of one of the best iPhone 14 Pro Max cases, possibly a screen protector too, and even basic options can go a long way to protecting your phone from harm. No amount of incoming titanium alloy can say the same thing.
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And, frankly, why should we have to contend with an inevitable price increase when the metal in question isn’t actually going to make much of a difference when it counts? Titanium may sound impressive, but the practicalities of it don’t seem to be worth it. Not to me anyway.

Bottom line
I can see the appeal of titanium. It offers that perfect blend of strength with a low weight, in addition to some extra protection from corrosion — and it's a great marketing tag. The problem is that it’s also more expensive, which in turn makes the iPhone 15 Pro series more expensive, at a time when the cost of everything else has been on the rise.

Cost issues are one thing, but if you think about it titanium doesn’t really add much practical benefit to a smartphone beyond its weight. It’s not noticeably stronger than stainless steel, and even if it were, the display glass is still too fragile for it to make much difference. Plus. I don’t know about you, but I don’t really pay much attention to how much my phone weighs. Or its thickness, for that matter.

So how about we save the titanium for something that’s actually important, like medical devices or a new space shuttle, and let smartphones deal with the cheaper metals?

Source: iPhone 15 Pro titanium frame seems like a waste — here’s why
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Apple’s upcoming A17 Bionic chip promises to be a massive leap forward in terms of performance and possibly battery life too.
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While last year’s A16 Bionic was only a moderate improvement on its predecessor, that might actually help the A17. Indeed, the A16's incremental gains were rumored to caused by Apple “too ambitious with adding new features,” forcing it to scale back — which could benefit the A17 a year later.

Here’s everything we know about Apple’s next big chipset.

A17 Bionic release date
There is some speculation that this year’s iPhone 15 family may launch in October, but that’s only been predicted by one analyst. Either way, we don’t have long to wait to see how the A17 Bionic performs.

There’s not too much mystery here. iPhone 12 aside, which had the excellent excuse of a global pandemic, every numbered iPhone of the last decade has come out in September. Even with the coronavirus, the iPhone 12 only slipped by a month.

A17 Bionic: Which iPhone 15 models?
The bad news is that not all iPhones will rock the new internal component. Until last year, both Pro and regular handsets shipped with the same chipset, but in a bid to upsell the more expensive model, Apple made the A16 Bionic chip an iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max exclusive.

This is why we’re expecting only the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max models to feature the power of the A17 Bionic chipset. The regular iPhone 15 will inherit the A16 from last year’s Pro models.

It’s possible the A16 also eventually end up in an iPad or two as well. Notably, the iPad mini 6 came with the A15 chipset, and the iPad mini 7 is rumored to be imminent.

A17 Bionic specs and performance
The first thing to note about the upcoming A17 Bionic chip is that it’s said to be Apple’s first to embrace the 3nm manufacturing process.

The A16 is a 4nm chipset, and the smaller manufacturing process in its successor means you can fit far more transistors in the same space (between 18 and 24 billion, according to some rumors). That’s expected to lead to 35% better power efficiency than its predecessor, which will invariably help battery life.

It also means a big boost to performance, and recent leaked benchmarks seem to confirm this, assuming they prove to be legitimate. The Geekbench scores show around a 23% boost to single-core performance, and a massive 26% leap in multi-core.

There are no such graphical benchmarks to look at yet, but a deep dive from The Information revealed that last year’s A16 Bionic chip was originally due to offer a “generational leap” for the GPU including support for ray tracing.
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This was abandoned, as it reportedly made handsets too hot and hit the battery hard, but hopefully some of the gains can be restored now Apple is embracing the 3nm manufacturing process.

One thing to be aware of is a slightly sketchy rumor suggesting that Apple’s chipmaker TSMC will change how it makes the A17 Bionic chip in 2024. While clearly a cost-saving exercise, reports differ as to whether this will improve performance, weaken it, or make no difference whatsoever. Hopefully more will become clear soon.

Finally, with Apple not making its own 5G modems yet (the iPhone SE 4 might be the first test), it looks likely that the A17 Bionic will be paired with the Snapdragon X70 5G chip. This isn’t an enormous upgrade on the X65 in the iPhone 14 Pro, but it does contain an AI processor to monitor and optimize connections for smoother networking.

A17 Bionic outlook
The relatively modest upgrade from A15 to A16 means that the A17 Bionic could be a huge leap forward for Apple. With the A16 Bionic still topping performance charts, Apple will be quietly confident that it’s set to hold its title of the speediest smartphone with the iPhone 15 Pro.

Source: iPhone 15 Pro A17 Bionic — everything you need to know about Apple's breakthrough chip
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titanium is overrated.

i doubt the price bump for the 15 Pro / Max will be solely due to the titanium material but rather the surge of raw mats for components. the price of titanium won't be much of an impact from a business standpoint, marginally not significant.

also titanium is already in use with the Apple Watch Ultra and honestly from a long-term user, i can tell you that i prefer the stainless steel finish over titanium anytime. titanium scuffs easily when knocked on harder compound surfaces and it does not give me a very 'reassuring' feeling as compared to the stainless steel models - never had any single scratch on them after a year+ of usage. my Ultra.. scuffed and dented after 2 months lol.

regardless of the material / finishing, we will eventually slap a case and call it day - so doesn't matter la what material they use.
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In the past couple of months you may have seen stories about the EU forcing phone makers to design phones in a way that lets users replace their own batteries. While a lot of this story's focus has been on Apple, it sounds like the company isn’t treating this legislation as any serious threat.

Despite some headlines you may have seen, the point of this law isn’t to mandate removable batteries — such as those you’d find in old-school Androids or older feature phones. Instead, the point is to ensure users are capable of replacing the batteries themselves, without needing anything other than “commercially available tools."
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Apple has been hitting back at this, with Apple SVP Hardware Engineering John Ternus discussing the ruling in an interview with German YouTube channel Orbit. Ternus discusses that increased repairability is often at odds with long-term durability.

"You can make an internal component more maintainable by making it discrete and removable, but that actually adds a potential point of failure." He then added that by "using the data, we can understand which parts of the phone need to be repaired and which parts are actually better made so reliable that they never need to be repaired. It’s always a kind of balance."

It’s not surprising that Apple has this kind of philosophy. This is the same company that solders RAM and SSDs in a bunch of its machines, particularly MacBooks. That makes it nearly impossible to replace or upgrade them by yourself.
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Repairability vs water resistance
Ternus also noted that better repairability can compromise water resistance — one thing customers often seem excited about after experiencing it first hand. Sometimes after the phone has been submerged for multiple days.

"To get this level of water resistance, there are a lot of high tech adhesives and sealants to make everything waterproof," Ternus said. "but of course it makes the opening process a little more difficult. So there is a balance."

This is rather a valid point, since those seals can be affected by any number of external factors. Anyone who’s been denied an in-warranty repair because of alleged water damage, despite the phone being IP68 rated, will likely have been told as such during arguments with the customer service rep. Or maybe that was just my experience with Samsung.

Plus, without access to Apple’s adhesives and sealants, it’s not as though people could easily reseal the phone themselves. Then again, water resistance and replaceable batteries are not mutually exclusive. The Samsung Galaxy S5, for instance, had an IP67 water resistance rating and let you swap out the battery in a few short seconds — no tools required
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iPhone repairability is already on the rise — but is it enough?
Ternus also noted that Apple has taken measures to make the iPhone easier to repair in general, which likely includes the battery. The iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus have what’s called “mid-body architecture” which allows the phone to be opened up from the front and back — giving easier access to different internal components. It’s rumored that this design will also be coming to the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max later this year.

However, this architecture didn’t stop the cost of a replacement battery rising from $89 on the iPhone 13 series to $99 on the iPhone 14 series. The cost of a new back glass plate did drop by $180 between the two subsequent generations, though, and battery replacement is free if you have AppleCare Plus.

While not mentioned, Apple has also launched the self-service repair program, which allows people to fix their devices at home — iPhones included. The cost of an iPhone 14 battery repair is $53.47 if you return your old battery for recycling. You also need to account for the cost of tools, which you can rent for 7 days at the cost of $49.

Of course that probably wouldn’t fly with the EU, since the legislation specifically states that repairs should be carried out by commercially available tools, rather than specialized ones. Unless the specialized tools are provided free of charge. It also forbids “proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents” in the disassembly process.

Historically, Apple has been pretty fond of proprietary screws, though the DIY repair community is usually pretty quick to reverse engineer them. It’s also not the only offender in this category, even if it is the most well-known example.
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Still, from the sounds of things Apple is gearing up to fight this new EU mandate in whatever way it can, even if that means finding loopholes and other ways to workaround the issue. Apple itself held off on adopting a common charger for as long as it could, and did plenty of complaining in the run up to the USB-C mandate being passed. Though in that instance, the company did roll over and accept its new lot very quickly.

Apple was never going to add pop-out removable batteries to the iPhone, but it would be nice to see more emphasis on repairability in phones that aren’t dirt-cheap Nokias or outliers like Fairphone.

The new EU rules aren’t supposed to officially roll out until 2027, so it’s going to be a while before we see how this plays out. Until then your easiest option for an iPhone battery replacement is a quick trip to the Genius Bar.

Source: Apple hits back at EU rules — says replaceable iPhone batteries are a bad idea
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So if epol announce the new iphone on the 12

Malaysia will be the 1st batch to receive it? Wanna know when it will arrive. Budget ba đŸ€Ł
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post Aug 10 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Aug 9 2023, 01:30 PM)
So if epol announce the new iphone on the 12

Malaysia will be the 1st batch to receive it? Wanna know when it will arrive. Budget ba đŸ€Ł
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usually a month later, we usually get around early / mid October based on the past couple of launches. Malaysia has never been the first batch to launch any Apple branded products, but that might change once they open their first retail door here soon.

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