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babylon52281
post Jul 11 2025, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 10 2025, 09:44 PM)
technically, you should read more here. i previously used the same sheet to source for similar products (pure oil/grease) with the same base oil. they were cheaper back then. however, recent price checks made me think we should just stick to  krytox gpl

edit: basically krytox gpl is pfpe base oils thickened by ptfe (to become grease)
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Yeah I not too familiar with keebs grease, only work with industrial grade stuff on daily basis but they also share the same symptom of degradation as you described if keep too long.

I see some utubers using WD40 for relubing switches.
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post Jul 11 2025, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jul 11 2025, 09:51 AM)
Yeah I not too familiar with keebs grease, only work with industrial grade stuff on daily basis but they also share the same symptom of degradation as you described if keep too long.

I see some utubers using WD40 for relubing switches.
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i know. tbh there are a lot of self-imagined misinformation and oversimplifications in this hobby. even though technical specs are everywhere, bearing all facts, details like key differences and compatibilities were never mentioned clearly, e.g., we all know lubricants are meant for its purposes. it's just that no one mentioned side effects over time.

about WD-40, here is the response from google AI when i asked 'can we use wd40 for switch lubing':
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well, there are inaccurate parts, e.g., 'lubricants specifically designed for mechanical keyboards' in the response. imo it should mean 'compatible, relatively safe' instead of 'specifically designed for'. again, do not stick to the brands. there are always alternatives.

only few youtubers/streamers speak with facts. most do not. however, like i said, everyone has their own bottom lines, as long as they can accept the consequences, they can do whatever they want hehe

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post Jul 11 2025, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jul 11 2025, 09:47 AM)
is there krytox alternative for lubing?
i have dielectric grease with random no brand one and work perfectly fine (i forgot where i bought it)
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you can look for alternatives with pfpe as base oil. other keywords include 'fluorinated oil/grease'. please also find out more in the respective technical specifications, to make sure they do not contain anything harmful. (to health and plastic)

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post Jul 11 2025, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 11 2025, 01:08 PM)
you can look for alternatives with pfpe as base oil. other keywords include 'fluorinated oil/grease'. please also find out more in the respective technical specifications, to make sure they do not contain anything harmful. (to health and plastic)

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will do some research.

for now i using hardex silicone paste dielectric grease. i also got another one that only label dielectric grease.
for hardex it quite 'pekat'. for another one more 'water alike'
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post Jul 11 2025, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jul 11 2025, 03:35 PM)
will do some research.

for now i using hardex silicone paste dielectric grease. i also got another one that only label dielectric grease.
for hardex it quite 'pekat'. for another one more 'water alike'
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yes, please do research, and get better understandings, so that you can discover more useful information and stuff. please always treat everything on the internet, including whatever we post here, as reference only. even though what i posted are based on facts and own observations, i can only confirm its validity for my limited setups and experience.

eventually, you can use the same way to find out alternatives for almost everything, if necessary. (e.g., instead of getting pre-mixed coolants for your custom water cooling loops, you can try home-grown formulas on the internet. i have tested few. they are indeed cheap and reliable, obtainable from nearest stores/online, and i don't need to feel sad when pre-mixed that i want are out of stock. currently my custom water cooling loop is just using distilled water + algaecide + 'compatible' laundry cleaner solution)

i never use hardex dielectric grease before. however, if it's working fine for you in the long run, it should be ok to use it for your purposes. again, a check on technical specifications should help more.

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post Jul 16 2025, 02:48 PM

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I have been using the HMX Hyacinth V2 and moved to the HMX KD200 for the fuller while still loud and high pitch sound. HMX is just quite cheap and ready to use out of the box. The typing feel is just to my liking.

But reading about the Yogurt switch here, is should be even louder vs the KD200, very interested to try it coz I did not come across the Yogurt previously. I typically get those HMX swtiches from Desk Monxter and call it a day. But they do not carry the yogurt at the moment, maybe TB it is.

For those lubes, I find that using the Krytox XHT-BDZ for the stabs are just simple. Thick enough and stick well to the wires. And pair it with the typeplus screw-in PCB stabs, it is just easy to get it right the 1st time. This makes working with solder PCB so much more easier without needing to worry about the stabs.
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post Jul 16 2025, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Jul 16 2025, 02:48 PM)
For those lubes, I find that using the Krytox XHT-BDZ for the stabs are just simple. Thick enough and stick well to the wires. And pair it with the typeplus screw-in PCB stabs, it is just easy to get it right the 1st time. This makes working with solder PCB so much more easier without needing to worry about the stabs.
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xht-bdz is considered by most users as a better replacement for permatex dielectric grease. well, i stopped using permatex dielectric grease a long time ago. i never use xht-bdz.

i prefer lightly lubed stabs, so since few years ago, i just use 205g0 for stabs mainly. (i also do not apply epsi/holee mods anymore) i either use tx stabs/stems or similar alternatives if i do builds with pcb-mount stabs. for plate-mount, fl.cmmk v3, and now stabs from designer studio, are good enough. i am also ok with mixed sets of stabs. (normally only spacebar makes ticking sound; it seldom happens to 2u keys)

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post Jul 16 2025, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 16 2025, 07:02 PM)
xht-bdz is considered by most users as a better replacement for permatex dielectric grease. well, i stopped using permatex dielectric grease a long time ago. i never use xht-bdz.

i prefer lightly lubed stabs, so since few years ago, i just use 205g0 for stabs mainly. (i also do not apply epsi/holee mods anymore) i either use tx stabs/stems or similar alternatives if i do builds with pcb-mount stabs. for plate-mount, fl.cmmk v3, and now stabs from designer studio, are good enough. i am also ok with mixed sets of stabs. (normally only spacebar makes ticking sound; it seldom happens to 2u keys)
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Yeah. I did try to use 205g0 for the stabs and I just feel it is slightly too thin. It will be fine initially, but will start to tick after some use or frequent changing of keycaps.
After changing to the thicker XHT-BDZ, it was a breeze. And I agree that the spacebar is the one that kacao the most, but I sometimes do have problems with the backspace using TX stabs. Now I just stick to typeplus and be done with it. smooth sailing. For plate mount FLcmmk it just easy as well, no issue with them.

I think each will have own preference and stick to what works.

Now I'm curious the HMX yogurt is louder or KD200 is louder. gonna order from Unikeys the yogurts.
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post Jul 16 2025, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Jul 16 2025, 10:00 PM)
Yeah. I did try to use 205g0 for the stabs and I just feel it is slightly too thin. It will be fine initially, but will start to tick after some use or frequent changing of keycaps.
After changing to the thicker XHT-BDZ, it was a breeze. And I agree that the spacebar is the one that kacao the most, but I sometimes do have problems with the backspace using TX stabs. Now I just stick to typeplus and be done with it. smooth sailing. For plate mount  FLcmmk it just easy as well, no issue with them.

I think each will have own preference and stick to what works.

Now I'm curious the HMX yogurt is louder or KD200 is louder. gonna order from Unikeys the yogurts.
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yes, just use what works best for you. thanks for the tip. i will get some typeplus to try out later (it's always nice to have good alternatives hehe)

if 2u-keys got stuck while using key switches with shorter key travels (like hmx switches), you can try using extended tx stems, which is meant for shorter total key travel than 4mm. the replacement is good in my case.

yogurt is my first key switch from hmx. i just know it's the loudest of all my collection haha

edit: oh typeplus stabs use costar-like wires, and mecha has it too. it's time to pay them a visit.

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If you already have KD200 I think can skip Yogurts are pretty similar.

Also a lot of sussy "205g0" out there.. I suggest only use the real Krytox ones.

Rocking my Typ60 plateless with Gaterons L'Orange nowdays.. pretty awesome experience.
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post Jul 23 2025, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jul 22 2025, 10:58 AM)
If you already have KD200 I think can skip Yogurts are pretty similar.

Also a lot of sussy "205g0" out there.. I suggest only use the real Krytox ones.

Rocking my Typ60 plateless with Gaterons L'Orange nowdays.. pretty awesome experience.
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I will test it when it arrives.. Already purchase it.
I just like HMX switches as the typing feel agrees with me.

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Hi guys!

May i ask if anyone have contact for acrylic printing/cutting? (for stacked acrylic keyboard case)

Much appreciate & tq in advance
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post Aug 1 2025, 03:51 PM

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post Aug 1 2025, 10:38 PM

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Here is a mod tip. I have been looking around for materials to mod my keeb and recently found that Mr DIY sells EVA foam sheets for RM 3.90

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When compared to online sellers for bottom case EVA foam, their prices cannot fight above.

I noticed not all Mr DIY has this, but since theres plenty of them you can hunt around few shops will bound to find one.
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post Aug 5 2025, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(yohomies @ Jul 31 2025, 03:20 PM)
Hi guys!

May i ask if anyone have contact for acrylic printing/cutting? (for stacked acrylic keyboard case)

Much appreciate & tq in advance
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you should try look them up with search engines. previously there were shops that offered such a service to mkb users locally. however i'm not sure if they are still active.

QUOTE(angeluslee @ Aug 1 2025, 03:51 PM)
What ya think about this
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you should assemble it, and then tell us what you think about it.

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 1 2025, 10:38 PM)
Here is a mod tip. I have been looking around for materials to mod my keeb and recently found that Mr DIY sells EVA foam sheets for RM 3.90

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When compared to online sellers for bottom case EVA foam, their prices cannot fight above.

I noticed not all Mr DIY has this, but since theres plenty of them you can hunt around few shops will bound to find one.
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right, there are various local options that user can try out. you might like the outcomes of these foams.
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post Aug 6 2025, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2025, 11:45 PM)
right, there are various local options that user can try out. you might like the outcomes of these foams.
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For case foam such as above, what do you good folks usually used for adhesive to stick to the plastic case? PVA glue? Thin double sided tape? UHU glue?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 6 2025, 08:29 AM)
For case foam such as above, what do you good folks usually used for adhesive to stick to the plastic case?  PVA glue? Thin double sided tape? UHU glue?
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for the convenience to replace them, we normally do not stick them with adhesives. at least i don't do that anymore.

each foam material has their own characteristics. with different parts, e.g., plate materials and key switches, they can produce different outcomes, that you might or might not like.

of course, it's up to you. in the early days, we used to stick eva foam to plates to minimize vibration (eva foam with double-side tapes)


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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 6 2025, 11:16 AM)
for the convenience to replace them, we normally do not stick them with adhesives. at least i don't do that anymore.

each foam material has their own characteristics. with different parts, e.g., plate materials and key switches, they can produce different outcomes, that you might or might not like.

of course, it's up to you. in the early days, we used to stick eva foam to plates to minimize vibration (eva foam with double-side tapes)
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Oh I see, so the idea is to make it not hard to remove ya. Then I might want to try gam sekolah (clear glue that squeeze from small bottles) hmm.gif
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post Aug 6 2025, 12:33 PM

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as long as they are not harmful to parts, it's ok i think.
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post Aug 6 2025, 01:49 PM

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Somehow I think the previous post was not posted. Strange.
Just to update that I have tested the HMX yogurt and it is slightly higher pitch and louder vs the HMX KD200. The sound is quite "full" compared to the HMX Hyacinth V2. Overall I'm really liking this yogurt switch.

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