So all the pandas on the market are not "genuine" pandas! LOL

Thank god I'm a clicky guy

1. drop uses original halo true stems + retooled invyr panda housing. according to drop, the original tooling for invyr panda housing was broken after initial runs;
2. glorious panda said they have the original tooling for invyr panda housing. they make their own stems.

technically, both sell incomplete holy panda. you need both to make a complete one. (well, if you believe both of them are telling the truths)

my suggestion is don't think too much. get what you want and have your own fun.

as you can see from the above, there were many delusional hypes created by all sorts of parties, most of which don't really make sense.

if you encountered such weird scenarios, my advice is to record the original formulas, then move on. in terms of key switches, mx style key switches are so rich today. you can always find better options for yourself.

The other thing is, in switch terms, original is not necessary the best too.

That's the reason we see so many releases, reiterations, new versions, or different manufacturers trying to "improve" the formula. You can measure certain specs and characteristics of the switches, but nobody can tell you how it feels in your own hands, on your own board with your own setups.

For real? What clickies you using?

Kailh Box Jades.

exactly

a lot of things are subjective in this hobby, and the outcomes are mainly based on what we have. there is no standard in making sure everyone is referring to the same setup, etc., so that margins of errors are minimal, and everyone is feeling/hearing/experiencing the same. for instance, one of my usual habits is to use at least 2 layers of 4mm-thick deskmats. 3 layers is the max for me, because after that thickness of deskmats doesn't affect anything significantly. i do use leather wrist rests. with only these two combined, typing feels are different compared to setups without them.

all in all, this is a syok-sendiri hobby. the one person that you need to please is yourself. as long as you're happy with the outcomes of your boards, it's good enough. this is also why i think it's ignorant to tell people plastic builds 'feel cheap'. if we haven't experienced well-tuned plastic builds yet, it doesn't mean they don't exist. it just mean our kungfu is not good, still unable to do proper tunings for own plastic boards, so that they can perform at their peaks.

skills do need persistent practices. fortunately, these days, kits that have options for beginners to learn and practise stuff are affordable. almost all support switch hotswapping, and optional parts are also readily available. basically there is no more excuse for beginners not to learn at own pace, if they really wanna find out what they are actually looking for.

Yes it's totally subjective. i went from thocky gang to clacky fast, and going from tactile to linears and now don't even mind clickies for varieties.

The available amount of products are pretty intense though, I can see newcomers getting a bit overwhelmed.

Nice, love Jades. I don't really mind jackets too.

In fact these days i type more with scratchy mx blacks which I used to think was bad.

Yeah the feel of the Jades are totally a fresh air compared to the old MX Blues I used forever. I'm glad to see some improvements done for clickies hehe

right, it's the rich varieties that make us stay in the hobby. i'm a long-term linear user. however, i do have boards with tactile and clicky key switches in rotation at home. i also actively collect parts for topre builds, even if it's not my cup of tea.

since years ago, i have found out the right combinations of key switches, stabilizers, pcbs, plates, foams, keyboard constructions, etc. that fit my personal preferences. while i must admit that there are not much left that can make me feel thrilled, i'm still here, running my long-term project, i.e., 60% tray-mount reference builds, just for the fun of it. by the way, with good parts, mkbs can last more than 10 years. the shelf life can be prolonged if you had multiple boards in rotation, and do regular maintenance from time to time.

yes, the current amount of product/part options are overwhelming. then again, this is a hobby. just pick things up at our own pace.

some stuff from wuque studio are on the way.

1. ws pom+. https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/sw...om-switch-35pcs
2. ws jade. https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/sw...s-jade-switches
3. ws stabs v3.1 black glitter. https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/in...k-ws-stabs-v3-1
4. ws stupid stabilizer. https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/in...upid-stabilizer

the switches are 5-pin linear with total travel of 3.6mm, but different actuation travels i believe. ws jade has a stainless steel part at the bottom of the well.

stabs with tpu/silicon layers are getting common i think. the price is also getting affordable. (compared to tx stabs) i have tried wuque's older stabs before. they are ok in general.

Nice, expecting review to come soon haha. Have you tried Wuques previous switches?

Interesting they went with Gateron for the Pom+, I wonder whats the differences to Smoothie..

yes, i have ws silent linear. compared to other silence implementations, ws silent linear has relatively lesser mushiness. all silencing implementations have some levels of mushiness. basically this is unavoidable.

from brief specification checks recently, gateron and kailh have few interesting innovations in key switch designs. gateron zero degree is the silent linear that i wanna try out later. it uses double-rail design, with built-in silencing pads at the bottom housings.

right, their default oem is haimu. i think ws wanna add full-pom linear in their selection, and gateron is making linears with their full-pom formula quite recently. note that for these key switches with shorter total travels, you should check the travel for actuation as well. some are not near 2mm, but much shorter, e.g., 1.2mm only. this normally creates a 'potong stim' feel, not comfortable for me.

This post has been edited by horns: May 10 2024, 09:10 PM

he makes a point. $30-40 vs $180

surely there must be something special to justify the price? Here is the review
https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/reviews/logitech/g-pro-x-tkl


GX Brown Tactile? (also has a GX Red Linear version)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboard..._with_gx_brown/


I think the RK M75 i bought recently (discounted sale) for less than that was better than the logitech.


Heck i even saw RK had a full size mkb for less than the logitech as well.


Logitech however is PBT so it has that edge over the ABS. But i saw a Rainy75 Aluminum 75% Customized Mechanical Keyboard for Rm 550 (have to apply coupon) with the following build specs




or even a Monsgeek








Ok so i thought maybe that was the price for US market. so i go check shopee, the price is RM745 (coupon not yet applied) So no i don't think this Logitech mkb is a good deal. They need to try harder. The competition has better value and looks better.


Things the competition has and isn't lacking for either vs logitech
- switch
- build (keycaps, the casing, lighting)
- software (macro, lighting mode options)
- features (wireless, accessories...)
- price (value)

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: May 13 2024, 03:38 PM

i think the price is set up wrongly for this logitech prebuilt. also, maybe i'm really missing something, but this is the first time i learn about soldered optical switches. afaik optical key switches are normally meant to be hotswappable.

no, even with pbt keycaps, the price of this logitech board still cannot be justified.

most keyboard kits in the market have moved forward by a large margin. this logitech 60% is way behind the pack.

Hi guys, I want to get a second keyboard for office use (first one is Leopold FC900R for your reference), any recommendations?

Preferably having these features:
1) RGB
2) 75% or 65% layout
3) Wireless (support cable connection as well)
4) Red switches
5) RM500 - RM600 budget

any recommendation for entry level mechanical keyboard?
prefer wired since i only used it on my desktop

Budget: below 200
looking at RK61 smile.gif

to me, logitech is like apple. at this point you're pretty much paying for the brand. They still think they are the rolls royce for gaming peripherals. Little do they realize (or hope most gamers not to), is that they aren't all that these days.

I do love using their mouse (i'm using it right now a G102). But their mkb.... nah. at least in the example i linked, it doesn't look like a good deal to the competition

If logitech aren't careful they may end up suffering the same fate as Corsair, at least in regards to MKB




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: May 13 2024, 08:31 AM

maybe it's time for you to try out boards with switch hotswapping, and start your own actual mkb journey.

you can start with rk61.

yeah i found it weird that rich companies like this fail to conduct a basic market research to understand the positions of their products first, resulting in none of the features that they highlight are competitive. even beginners can find this out, with a simple research.

tbh, gaming peripheral vendors had a healthy headstart back in the days. they actually could contribute good stuff for the mkb community. however, back then, everyone has rejected new ideas like switch hotswapping, and claimed that they couldn't provide warranty for products with such new features. well, today's market just proved that what they told us were plain bs.

Didnt watch the video but Corsair has since acquired Drop so they are trying to catch up I guess.

Yes I too wanted to check out the zeros and all the ws. To me the dual rail is questionable in terms of wobble improvements, i have the Melodics and they still wobbles, nowhere as good as hmxs.

How to find out about the actuation point, is it listed in specs?

This post has been edited by quarantined: May 13 2024, 01:00 PM