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post May 1 2024, 12:26 AM

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video to identify if your RK m75 is the new or old version


seems the telling part is when you pull the keycap whether the led is north or south. south is newer version

i think the newer version came with better switches? but don't quote me on that sweat.gif

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post May 4 2024, 01:31 PM

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Hello, I'm planning to buy a mechanical keyboard mainly for typing, not for gaming. I enjoy the sound that mechanical keyboard makes, I don't know much about it but know there's a few types, there's a DIY shop that specifically sells DIY customized mechanical keyboard called KEEBS Project, is it a good idea to go there and customize one ? Anyone got any experience with that shop or any other recommendations ? Thanks.

PS - I’ve just been to physical store, are the switches’ brands like razer / chery MX / MMD etc all the same in terms or spec and quality ? And the only difference is in how it sounds ?

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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 4 2024, 01:31 PM)
Hello, I'm planning to buy a mechanical keyboard mainly for typing, not for gaming. I enjoy the sound that mechanical keyboard makes, I don't know much about it but know there's a few types, there's a DIY shop that specifically sells DIY customized mechanical keyboard called KEEBS Project, is it a good idea to go there and customize one ? Anyone got any experience with that shop or any other recommendations ? Thanks.

PS - I’ve just been to physical store, are the switches’ brands like razer / chery MX / MMD etc all the same in terms or spec and quality ? And the only difference is in how it sounds ?
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Switches can be quite different.

First are the difference in written specifications
- clicky, tactile, linear, Hall effect etc.
- Spring type (force / 2 stage springs)
- material of the base, top and stem
- actuation distance
- factory lubed or not.
- stem type
- 5 pin vs 3 pin

And then there is also the difference you can feel.
- sound is one.
- how wobbly the stem is
- how smooth the actuation is
- how pronounced the tactility is

I would just recommend you to try them before buying.
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post May 5 2024, 04:04 PM

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Hi, I'm planning to try out some custom keycaps on my current mechanical keyboard (Leopold FC900R), but I'm not sure where can I get them and how to know if they are compatible with my keyboard or not. Any advice?
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 4 2024, 01:31 PM)
Hello, I'm planning to buy a mechanical keyboard mainly for typing, not for gaming. I enjoy the sound that mechanical keyboard makes, I don't know much about it but know there's a few types, there's a DIY shop that specifically sells DIY customized mechanical keyboard called KEEBS Project, is it a good idea to go there and customize one ? Anyone got any experience with that shop or any other recommendations ? Thanks.

PS - I’ve just been to physical store, are the switches’ brands like razer / chery MX / MMD etc all the same in terms or spec and quality ? And the only difference is in how it sounds ?
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KEEBS Project seems pretty legit.

Anyways, if you want to start getting one for typing the main thing to be aware of is that there are 3 main types of mechanical keyboard switches:

1. Clicky - considered the original style, "heavier" feel, noisy, least amount of fans and switch types but a wonder to type on in the right conditions and my personal favourite. Video of how they sound like: https://youtu.be/B3K2j1zuYyw

2. Tactile - has feedback when you press, less noisy, the middle route of switches between clicky and linear. Video: https://youtu.be/JdY8mgOxbVE

3. Linear - smooth feeling and fast, silent, good for light typists. Most popular type nowadays. Using this in office. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=129W9M-e9DQ

Since you mentioned sound, the videos linked above should give you a decent impression of how each type sounds like to you. I'd still recommend going to shop and test each type to see if you like them or not.

As for buying, the easiest entry point right now is buying Keychron boards, specifically their V-series or Q-series boards that come with either ABS plastic or aluminum case. V-series is cheaper and sounds more muted, Q-series is their premium line and has the corresponding feel. There is an official store for keychron on Lazada with vouchers applicable right now if you want to buy now: https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/keychron/?pa...m&tab=promotion

Another key thing you need to take in consideration is the LAYOUT of the keyboard, as there is a wide choice of them from 65% to 101%, which keychron does have. While this seems like a minor thing, but I'd say to start with a keyboard layout you're more familiar with at first to minimize the regret. I bought an uncommon layout from a Chinese brand and really regretted losing some keys so I bought another fuller-sized board to replace. Here is a good article that describes the common layouts available nowadays: https://www.keyboard.university/100-courses...s-layouts-gdeby

In any case, I'd choose a new one following the criteria below from most important to least:

1. Budget
2. Switch type
3. Layout

Other nice things you can consider to have are:

1. Hotswappable sockets - meaning the keyboard supports easy changing of switches if you want to test other types of switches
2. RGB - well some gamers love it.
3. Wireless - sometimes the most important thing ppl want, but you'd want to get tri-mode which means they support BlueTooth, 2.4ghz Wireless and Wired input.

Hope that's good enough info and good luck with your foray in the mechanical keyboard world!

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QUOTE(Ccw1998 @ May 5 2024, 04:04 PM)
Hi, I'm planning to try out some custom keycaps on my current mechanical keyboard (Leopold FC900R), but I'm not sure where can I get them and how to know if they are compatible with my keyboard or not. Any advice?
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RTings review of your keyboard states its a RGB-less keyboard and uses Cherry MX switches so its super easy to buy keycaps since almost all keycaps sold online are for Cherry MX cross-stems. There's a number of good places to buy on Shopee and Lazada and I've bought a few sets already.

My personal recommendation for replacement keycaps are from a China brand called "Aifei" which offers great quality for a reasonable price and I'm personally using it for the last 5 months without issue. Here's the link to the shop where I bought them on shopee: https://shopee.com.my/digital_maniac
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post May 5 2024, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(kurogane @ May 5 2024, 04:06 PM)
KEEBS Project seems pretty legit.

Anyways, if you want to start getting one for typing the main thing to be aware of is that there are 3 main types of mechanical keyboard switches:

1. Clicky - considered the original style, "heavier" feel, noisy, least amount of fans and switch types but a wonder to type on in the right conditions and my personal favourite. Video of how they sound like: https://youtu.be/B3K2j1zuYyw 

2. Tactile - has feedback when you press, less noisy, the middle route of switches between clicky and linear. Video: https://youtu.be/JdY8mgOxbVE

3. Linear - smooth feeling and fast, silent, good for light typists. Most popular type nowadays. Using this in office. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=129W9M-e9DQ

Since you mentioned sound, the videos linked above should give you a decent impression of how each type sounds like to you. I'd still recommend going to shop and test each type to see if you like them or not.

As for buying, the easiest entry point right now is buying Keychron boards, specifically their V-series or Q-series boards that come with either ABS plastic or aluminum case. V-series is cheaper and sounds more muted, Q-series is their premium line and has the corresponding feel. There is an official store for keychron on Lazada with vouchers applicable right now if you want to buy now: https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/keychron/?pa...m&tab=promotion

Another key thing you need to take in consideration is the LAYOUT of the keyboard, as there is a wide choice of them from 65% to 101%, which keychron does have. While this seems like a minor thing, but I'd say to start with a keyboard layout you're more familiar with at first to minimize the regret. I bought an uncommon layout from a Chinese brand and really regretted losing some keys so I bought another fuller-sized board to replace. Here is a good article that describes the common layouts available nowadays: https://www.keyboard.university/100-courses...s-layouts-gdeby

In any case, I'd choose a new one following the criteria below from most important to least:

1. Budget
2. Switch type
3. Layout

Other nice things you can consider to have are:

1. Hotswappable sockets - meaning the keyboard supports easy changing of switches if you want to test other types of switches
2. RGB - well some gamers love it.
3. Wireless - sometimes the most important thing ppl want, but you'd want to get tri-mode which means they support BlueTooth, 2.4ghz Wireless and Wired input. 

Hope that's good enough info and good luck with your foray in the mechanical keyboard world!
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Hi ! Thanks so much for your valuable information and advice. First of all I got to research as much as I can without jumping into the rabbit hole, because all I want is a decent durable mechanical keyboard that will lasts me many years to come.

I went over to KEEBS Project physical store yesterday to try out all kinds of switches, the feel and sound of it. For now, I'm coming to the conclusion of getting Holy Panda V2 tactile switches, can I know what is your opinion of that and which manufacturer does holy panda belongs to ? Also, should I even be bother with whether to use stock switches or lube the switches ?

Aside from all of that, once I pick my switches, I'll probably let the experienced ( hopefully ) staff help me out with assembling and choosing the rest to best fit my budget and design. Normally for mechanical keyboards stores like KEEBS, they will have a standard few options for keycaps / keyboard to let us choose from right ? So then we will pick alongside with their advice ?

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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 5 2024, 05:05 PM)
Hi ! Thanks so much for your valuable information and advice. First of all I got to research as much as I can without jumping into the rabbit hole, because all I want is a decent durable mechanical keyboard that will lasts me many years to come.

I went over to KEEBS Project physical store yesterday to try out all kinds of switches, the feel and sound of it. For now, I'm coming to the conclusion of getting Holy Panda V2 tactile switches, can I know what is your opinion of that and which manufacturer does holy panda belongs to ? Also, should I even be bother with whether to use stock switches or lube the switches ?

Aside from all of that, once I pick my switches, I'll probably let the experienced ( hopefully ) staff help me out with assembling and choosing the rest to best fit my budget and design. Normally for mechanical keyboards stores like KEEBS, they will have a standard few options for keycaps / keyboard to let us choose from right ? So then we will pick alongside with their advice ?
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Since this is your first keyboard, just follow the staff recommendation and let them handle everything as long as it fits your budget and confirm the warranty with them. I honestly dont get the need to lube the switches.

For keycaps, try to get decent quality ones like double shot ABS or high quality dye-sub PBT. They should have a number of designs to choose from. My personal recommendation is getting Aifei keycaps as they have great quality for the price.
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QUOTE(kurogane @ May 5 2024, 05:35 PM)
Since this is your first keyboard, just follow the staff recommendation and let them handle everything as long as it fits your budget and confirm the warranty with them. I honestly dont get the need to lube the switches.

For keycaps, try to get decent quality ones like double shot ABS or high quality dye-sub PBT. They should have a number of designs to choose from. My personal recommendation is getting Aifei keycaps as they have great quality for the price.
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Ok thanks, so in short, I just choose the switches that I want, then let the staff handle and assemble the rest for me ? Is it the GMK Aifei keycaps that you mentioned ?
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 5 2024, 05:45 PM)
Ok thanks, so in short, I just choose the switches that I want, then let the staff handle and assemble the rest for me ? Is it the GMK Aifei keycaps that you mentioned ?
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Yes they are a GMK clone keycap maker.
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QUOTE(kurogane @ May 5 2024, 05:59 PM)
Yes they are a GMK clone keycap maker.
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Ok got it, so I don't have to bother to lube the switches or get pre-lube switches right, just use the stock switches as it is?
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 5 2024, 06:02 PM)
Ok got it, so I don't have to bother to lube the switches or get pre-lube switches right, just use the stock switches as it is?
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Yes, if you don't feel comfortable you can go back to the shop and get them to lube it instead.

More importantly just get a feel for the keyboard first. No point going so crazy for your first keyboard.
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QUOTE(kurogane @ May 5 2024, 07:47 PM)
Yes, if you don't feel comfortable you can go back to the shop and get them to lube it instead.

More importantly just get a feel for the keyboard first. No point going so crazy for your first keyboard.
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Got it man, thanks a lot for your advice and suggestions, it really helps a lot in building my first mechanical keyboard. cool2.gif

Oh ya, about Holy Pandas switches, I heard from Reddit that the Holy Pandas switches is manufactured by Drop, but I see KEEBS Project / Mecha, they have this Holy Panda V2 tactile switches from MMD, so they claim it's not a brand they heard of before assuming it's one of those 1:1 "fake" or clone switches to the real ones ?
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 5 2024, 07:57 PM)
Got it man, thanks a lot for your advice and suggestions, it really helps a lot in building my first mechanical keyboard.  cool2.gif

Oh ya, about Holy Pandas switches, I heard from Reddit that the Holy Pandas switches is manufactured by Drop, but I see KEEBS Project / Mecha, they have this Holy Panda V2 tactile switches from MMD, so they claim it's not a brand they heard of before assuming it's one of those 1:1 "fake" or clone switches to the real ones ?
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lmao, there's a whole crazy drama with those back in the day from what I've heard. Honestly just get the one in ur budget first and change if you dont like

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QUOTE(kurogane @ May 5 2024, 09:48 PM)
lmao, there's a whole crazy drama with those back in the day from what I've heard. Honestly just get the one in ur budget first and change if you dont like
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Yeah I think both U4T and Holy Panda switches are within my budget range, I would of coz go to the store to try out these 2 switches ( if they have ) so that is why I want to confirm what I'm getting into, I mean, is MMD Holy Panda switches the genuine one ?
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They are not fakes, i think MMD is just another manufacture doing their own iterations of pandas at a lower price. You will find a lot of these patterns all over.

Just keep your mind open and test them out yourself.


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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 6 2024, 12:40 AM)
Yeah I think both U4T and Holy Panda switches are within my budget range, I would of coz go to the store to try out these 2 switches ( if they have ) so that is why I want to confirm what I'm getting into, I mean, is MMD Holy Panda switches the genuine one ?
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MMD holy panda me using on office pc, for non-alphabet key.
no complain for its price, and type feeling actually better, at least decrease my double press or missed key.

same time i got buy graywood v3 too.. i think this key only suitable for gaming not for typing.
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 6 2024, 01:12 PM)
MMD holy panda me using on office pc, for non-alphabet key.
no complain for its price, and type feeling actually better, at least decrease my double press or missed key.

same time i got buy graywood v3 too..  i think this key only suitable for gaming not for typing.
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Seems like in Malaysia only have Holy Panda from MMD, which is the "fake" version of the real ones, I haven't got to try both MMD Holy Panda and U4T yet, not sure if stores in malaysia have either one, but currently I'm looking at these 2 switches, in there's no stock for both then I might just go for MMD if I like how it sounds and feel.
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QUOTE(Sotsotzaii @ May 6 2024, 02:18 PM)
Seems like in Malaysia only have Holy Panda from MMD, which is the "fake" version of the real ones, I haven't got to try both MMD Holy Panda and U4T yet, not sure if stores in malaysia have either one, but currently I'm looking at these 2 switches, in there's no stock for both then I might just go for MMD if I like how it sounds and feel.
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what you even talking about.
the MMD holy panda are different product compare to you mention 'ori' holy panda now they even have newer v2 of it.
sharing the same name doesnt meaning anything other than if it bad product
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while you're at it, please at least pick up the basics of holy panda.

the original formula of holy panda was by quakemz. it's a tactile frankenswitch that combined invyr panda housing + halo true/clear stems. (note that invyr panda is a linear key switch)

the rest are options from different vendors that claimed to behave similarly to holy panda. it's up to you to verify such claims.



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