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post Jul 3 2022, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jul 3 2022, 11:45 AM)
It is fine and fair to debate, but think 3x, last season if we didn’t sign CR7, we would’ve have been playing with Masial and waiting for Cavani’s shadow to appear. Confirm we will be knee deep.
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to be honest, if it's not for Greenwood's case, we would not be so barebone on top ..

but last season is gone, and we really should look forward now

we all have sentimental feelings towards CR7 if you've been a fan since then (I started following Man Utd since RvN era), but rationally we shouldn't really rely on 37 years old to carry us and use him sparringly (if he stays)

but we all know Ronaldo really focus alot on personal records and trophies (which smtg that the current Man Utd cant give now)
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post Jul 3 2022, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jul 3 2022, 11:25 AM)
Wth, cr7 leave means he either see eth sux after training or no hope with board transfer. Now fdj deal not moving. Really shitty board.
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Half of it. They can sack all the Woodward’s macai and restore new people like Richard Arnold, Murtough to take charge but when you see the hierarchy, something was missing. Under DoF John Murtough, there is nobody. ETH can give him the list and Murtough will do all the negotiations but he alone certainly not enough. He should have a team under him, negotiators, football lawyers etc that help him thru all the transfer dealing but I can’t see any.

I can feel Ronaldo’s situation, he knows what is lacking in the team. Will he still want to play with the likes of Maguire, McFred and AWB without any new joiner?
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post Jul 3 2022, 12:28 PM

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CR7 is said to actually like ETH.
CR7 is not happy with the lack of transfers and the club is not pushing to build a competitive team for the coming season. He doesn't want to waste his remaining years playing in a team that has no hope of any trophies. He is disappointed with Manchester United's club performance in the rebuild.

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post Jul 3 2022, 12:29 PM

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https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/4693951/b...-jong-president

So let them rot then 🤣 can’t wait to see them bankrupt
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post Jul 3 2022, 12:41 PM

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bodoh transfer team too slow to sign fdj....now suddenly barca dont want to sell..🤦
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post Jul 3 2022, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jul 3 2022, 12:41 PM)
bodoh transfer team too slow to sign fdj....now suddenly barca dont want to sell..🤦
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Either barca trying to jack up price or they are ok after that 200m boost

Once they got 200m boost, the transfer stance will change. They are not desperate prior to that 200m deal.

If United add up another 10-20m upfront, blame the transfer team.
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post Jul 3 2022, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jul 3 2022, 11:33 AM)
All I know is we have a top dog transfer negotiator / director of football that has been working 6-10 (we could have heard wrongly, it maybe only 4 hours per day), 16 hours a day sign ETH’s by now magical and mythical transfer list. By this we have managed to spend a stupendous €15M!

The entire French league is quaking at our ability to hijack deals, provided it is cheap enough in the first place. Everyone and anyone cannot make a transfer bid without MUFC adding €1 and topping them.

So eventually, we will have won the league by spending soo little, going the way of Leicester rather than Liverpool or MC (shame on them for spending, shame on SAF for spending to win).

All we have to do now is wait 2 seasons for Barca’s deluded president to decide / remember / conclude that they actually want to sell a critical player we may or may not need, for a price they for sure do not apparently need, who says that he was already playing for his boyhood dream team and never intended to leave at the first place.
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Sure got team under him la. Impossible only 1 ppl working. Just that those names maybe clocking 9-6 job ppl
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post Jul 3 2022, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jul 3 2022, 12:58 PM)
Sure got team under him la. Impossible only 1 ppl working. Just that those names maybe clocking 9-6 job ppl
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Of course, it takes a team of people to sit around and wait for deals to done by others and then we just need to wait until other people submit some proposals, then we just up the bid.

May I ask, really, what on earth are this wonderful top crack team doing other than wait for others to act? Ethan hunt would’ve stolen FDJ’s registration papers by now. Honestly I am still ashamed by our handling of Sancho. And have been taken to school on this, losing time AND money in the process.

If you all tell me this is the best team / big boys / top money baller, then I also dunno what pipe we all smoking from.

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Our club is a mess. Players sux, transfer team sux, board sux, coach sux, facilities sux. Everything need change
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post Jul 3 2022, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jul 3 2022, 12:53 PM)
Either barca trying to jack up price or they are ok after that 200m boost

Once they got 200m boost, the transfer stance will change. They are not desperate prior to that 200m deal.

If United add up another 10-20m upfront, blame the transfer team.
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Even if they have 1B transfer budget still they need to sell. It’s the salary cap that set by La Liga. They still can buy Neymar, Lewan, Silva, Raphinha or even re sign Messi in one transfer window, they got no room for salary gap
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Jul 3 2022, 11:49 AM)
to be honest, if it's not for Greenwood's case, we would not be so barebone on top ..

but last season is gone, and we really should look forward now

we all have sentimental feelings towards CR7 if you've been a fan since then (I started following Man Utd since RvN era), but rationally we shouldn't really rely on 37 years old to carry us and use him sparringly (if he stays)

but we all know Ronaldo really focus alot on personal records and trophies (which smtg that the current Man Utd cant give now)
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So many buts and ifs. If only Cavani was not a homesick boy, if only he was even half as fit as the other old man Ronaldo.
But no, greenwood managed to derail his own career by focusing on allegedly raping his own girlfriend. Why can’t even have the decency to propose a marriage and do it like a responsible man?
No, Greenwood was playing at the start of the season and we all saw his star waned way before his case got any mention. Any player who is focused on allegedly raping his girlfriend would not be a great player or even a half decent one eventually.
Not at all MU’s fault but leaves us with our pants down in front had we not had CR7.

We could’ve signed someone better no doubt, but to say he is the source of our troubles or causing trouble for anyone (poor RR, lost his job because he had the best striker ever to manage…such a horrible job he had) is hands down a lousy way to thank Cristiano for single handedly carrying us last season.

I agree not to be a old folks home, and live on sentimentality alone. But it is a damn fact that last year he was by a long mile our top player and not even too frequently injured. He should be used sparingly, yes but not treated sparingly. He should be given ear and fully respected. How often has he actually complained about club management ? Way less than the other Argentine goat for sure. How much he can play should be managed by listening to him and his physical condition. It is my way of saying every time he puts on the shirt I have never felt let down, so much as I see any other player when they wear the shirt. When it is time for him to finally decide to down tools and sip pina colada, that is the time we let allow him to do it and not show him the door a day too soon.
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post Jul 3 2022, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Jul 3 2022, 02:06 PM)
Even if they have 1B transfer budget still they need to sell. It’s the salary cap that set by La Liga. They still can buy Neymar, Lewan, Silva, Raphinha or even re sign Messi in one transfer window, they got no room for salary gap
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Depends on the financial period
They can spend up to a portion depending on income
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Opened football news portal... Our season seems to be over before it even started. Barca now saying not gonna sell FDJ, Ronaldo wanna leave, Antony too expensive to buy, the other 2 defenders Malacia and Martinez till now can't see shadows in Manchester also. At the same time, we actually not able to sell even a single player. SIGHHHHH. What the hell is going on with the management there..
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Jul 3 2022, 03:43 PM)
Opened football news portal... Our season seems to be over before it even started. Barca now saying not gonna sell FDJ, Ronaldo wanna leave, Antony too expensive to buy, the other 2 defenders Malacia and Martinez till now can't see shadows in Manchester also. At the same time, we actually not able to sell even a single player. SIGHHHHH. What the hell is going on with the management there..
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Add..our fringe players on high wages and hard to offload them
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post Jul 3 2022, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(callmecool @ Jul 3 2022, 03:43 PM)
Opened football news portal... Our season seems to be over before it even started. Barca now saying not gonna sell FDJ, Ronaldo wanna leave, Antony too expensive to buy, the other 2 defenders Malacia and Martinez till now can't see shadows in Manchester also. At the same time, we actually not able to sell even a single player. SIGHHHHH. What the hell is going on with the management there..
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Malacia flying to Manchester for first round medical today and tmr will going thru second level medical and reveal as first signing

Martinez, Ajax now want straight cash €50M

FDJ, that’s typical Laporta comment, remembered “we will keep Messi” comment? Ended up Messi was free and he joined PSG. And remembered 2002 when he ran for president seat? He said he will signed Beckham once he become president but that time we all know, he himself also know Beckham joining RM

For once I want to see Barca really went into liquidation and force to sell off all the players.

I always believe the final 20M add on discussion still on but it’s a bit hard, not as easy as few click at FM. Laporta just a dick trying to stir things up

This post has been edited by beck_ken: Jul 3 2022, 05:01 PM
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post Jul 3 2022, 06:19 PM

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confident FDJ and Martinez will sign.

jus wanna see who will replace Ronaldo up top
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post Jul 3 2022, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jul 3 2022, 06:19 PM)
confident FDJ and Martinez will sign.

jus wanna see who will replace Ronaldo up top
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Always no doubt on FDJ, Laporta is an arse, not first time he did this kind of public stunt

I’m guessing the arrival of FDJ and Martinez will make Ronaldo to reconsider his departure.

If no then can consider Anthony again LOL

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Jul 3 2022, 11:38 AM)
Not sure if you're referring to me (since I nvr bash CR7 for wanting to leave, merely stating that if he leaves it solves some existing problems/dilemma for the team) but here's my additional comment:

a world class player can be a bad signing ... if it disrupt the team's balance or doesn't really fit into a manager's philosophy or gameplay

Reports said that Ole nvr wanted to sign CR7 and it was the management/Woodward/SAF who bought him because they cant bear to see CR7 signed for the noisy neighbour.

Also, in the past I've always called out many times regarding Ole's capability (especially after the Europa Final).

Besides, RR also said that he has to tweaked the formation to accommodate Ronaldo since Ronaldo doesn't want play alone on top.

My stand is ... if he stays, good for the team since he is a serial winner + high standard with strong mentality and hunger (will be good role model for the youngster and new signings)

but if he wanna leave, let him go because:-

1) his heart is no longer here (and keeping unhappy player of his status can disrupt the dressing room harmony)

2) he is already old and we should really play with younger players for the future with rebuilding in mind

3) it can potentially gives more flexibility for the manager in tactics (again like I mentioned in my previous post that media gonna have a fun day questioning the manager if Ronaldo is dropped or substituted with excessive scrutiny)

4) frees up the wages
Club is always bigger than a player ... and I don't pretend that signing Ronaldo last season is all good without any disadvantages/flaws in bigger picture
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1. I do not know about his heart, never knew him personally..
But theres a reason why he wanted to leave, because United looking like dont have any ambition to win..
United did not do the actions of a club that hungry and want to be on top winning tophies..

2. Old doesnt mean that he is no longer a threat to the opponents..
There were few times he bailed United out last season in the CL..
Without his individual brilliance moments and goals, United could've been out druing the group stage..
This play young players for the future stuff.. future of what? winning trophies or competing for Europa League spot or top 10?
None of united young players are good enough.. the last one were class of 92..
Should United wait until they failed like Wellbeck, Eagles, Chadwick, Gibson, Cleverley, Januzaj, etc?

3. Ronaldo removes the tactical flexibility of the manager? yeah, for a mediocre ones like the worst manager ever for Cardiff City, Ole..
Any top manager in the world would want him in their team, Pep wanted him..
United manager should be able to handle the immense pressure that comes with the job.. they paid highly to do it..
Scrutiny from the media and public is a normal thing for a manager of a big club like United..
Why wanna shield and cuddle a grown ass man that get paid to do his high profile job?

4. United making average of 500m per season, wage is not an issue.. in fact they get more money with CR7 around

This post has been edited by silvertoes: Jul 3 2022, 07:36 PM
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post Jul 3 2022, 10:51 PM

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CR7 actually won us many games last season. Btw, FDJ transfer dragging again..aduh...
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post Jul 3 2022, 11:36 PM

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Does anyone at all think that we are being played by Barca? It’s like Laporta just threatening FDJ with being sold if he doesn’t want to resign a lower salary contract?

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