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post Apr 24 2023, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Apr 24 2023, 12:19 AM)

Forgot Falklands already kah? French told UK all about Argentine's Exoxet codes, specs  and stock numbers. Anyone buying French military equipment are super bodoh

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actually the French are the most ruthless in selling weapons to anybody. The most advanced optics in Russian tanks currently are actually French. (So are ours.)

As for the Exocet? The Royal Navy doesn't need France to tell them about Exocet, they know all about it:

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 24 2023, 12:25 AM)
Basically the new planned variant is an enlarged, heavier version of the current Admiral Gorshkov design with upgraded electronics and weapon capacity, hence its dubbed as a 'Super Gorshkov'.

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the ability of Russian shipyards to deliver.... doesn't have a great reputation
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Uruguay to buy Malaysian Hawk 200 to upgrade its fleet?

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The U.S. based Falcon Air proposed to the Uruguayan Air Force (FAU) the purchase of six BAE Hawk 200 light subsonic fighters and two BAE Hawk 100 advanced trainers for US$110 million.

According to the website Defensa.com, Uruguay has received an economically very advantageous offer for the acquisition of eight aircraft of the BAE Hawk family. These are six aircraft of the Mk200 version, single-seat subsonic fighters; and two of the Mk100 version, advanced two-seat trainers with some ground attack capabilities. The package would include training and a significant number of spare parts, which would ensure their logistical sustainability for many years.

The aircraft could come from the stocks of the Malaysian Air Force (which will replace them with the KAI FA-50), Indonesia or Oman (which recently decommissioned them). The Malaysian Air Force (TUDM) Hawks are the only ones (for now) equipped with in-flight refueling probes.

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PMX pohon bantuan kerajaan Jerman keluarkan rakyat Malaysia terperangkap di Sudan

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Perdana Menteri, Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim menerima panggilan telefon daripada Presiden Jerman, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, semalam.

Anwar yang juga Menteri Kewangan berkata, Presiden Jerman menghubungi beliau bagi membincangkan isu-isu hubungan dua hala Malaysia-Jerman.

Menurut beliau, turut dibincangkan kerjasama anti-rasuah antara institut anti-rasuah kedua-dua negara dan kerjasama dalam inisiatif tenaga karbon hijau.

“Saya juga berkesempatan memohon bantuan daripada pihak Jerman untuk membantu dalam usaha repatriasi rakyat Malaysia dari Sudan.

“Dalam hal ini, Kementerian Luar Negeri akan menggembleng segala usaha bagi memastikan keselamatan rakyat Malaysia di luar negara terjamin,” katanya dalam satu hantaran di Facebook, hari ini.

Konflik di Sudan yang membabitkan dua pihak iaitu Angkatan Tentera Sudan (SAF) dan Rapid Support Forces (RSF) sedang mencetuskan pergolakan politik serta menggugat keselamatan di negara itu.

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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Apr 24 2023, 12:19 AM)
If accept, confirm Argentina super bodoh

Forgot Falklands already kah? French told UK all about Argentine's Exoxet codes, specs  and stock numbers. Anyone buying French military equipment are super bodoh

Malaysia?  Scorpene, Godwind ,Exoxet, EC 725, etc. Learn from history
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French equipment are great for countries looking for an independent defense & foreign policy.
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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Apr 24 2023, 12:19 AM)
If accept, confirm Argentina super bodoh

Forgot Falklands already kah? French told UK all about Argentine's Exoxet codes, specs  and stock numbers. Anyone buying French military equipment are super bodoh

Malaysia?  Scorpene, Godwind ,Exoxet, EC 725, etc. Learn from history
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HMS Sheffield and ss Atlantic Conveyor were destroyed by Exocet missiles. Besides, Royal navy possess Exocet missiles also and know it's operation envelope.

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Apr 24 2023, 04:01 PM)
French equipment are great for countries looking for an independent defense & foreign policy.
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Historically, unless is powerful or very poor, independent nation either get colonized by a distant country or conquered by powerful neighbour.

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Navy Wants To Sell-Off Six Nearly New Littoral Combat Ships

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The U.S. Navy plans to make six Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs), two Independence class vessels and four Freedom class vessels, available for sale through its Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program in the next two years. The oldest and youngest of the ships intended to be sold have been in service for just under eight years and just under three years, respectively.

The Navy first publicly raised the possibility of selling off a number of LCSs last year, as the service continues to try to nail down its own plans for what to do with these long-troubled ships.

Indication that the Navy plans to sell six of its LCSs were presented in its recent 2024 long-range shipbuilding plan. Formally called the Report to Congress on the Annual Long-Range Plan for Construction of Naval Vessels for the 2024 Fiscal Year, the shipbuilding plan is dated March 2023. The Navy currently has 13 Independence class LCSs in active service, while a further four are either under construction or being fitted out. The service also currently has ten Freedom class vessels in active service, with a further five currently being fitted out or prepared to enter service. So far, two Independence class vessels and one Freedom class vessel have been decommissioned. The newest Freedom class ship, USS Cleveland (LCS 31) was launched just a few days ago at the Fincantieri Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin, an event that didn't go so well which you can read more about in this War Zone piece.

The new shipbuilding plan stipulates that in the 2024 Fiscal Year, the Independence class vessels USS Jackson (LCS 6) and Montgomery (LCS 8) will be made available for sale via the Navy's FMS program. Those ships were commissioned in 2015 and 2016 respectively. Then, in the 2025 Fiscal Year, the Freedom class vessels USS Wichita (LCS 13), Billings (LCS 15), Indianapolis (LCS 17), and St Louis (LCS 19) will similarly be made available for sale via the FMS program. Those vessels were commissioned in 2019 (LCS 13, 15, and 17) and 2020 (LCS 19).


It’s unclear whether or not the Navy has identified any buyers or potential buyers for these ships already. In the recently released shipbuilding plan, the service notes that “Ships designated for FMS are retained in a hold status for no more than two years in accordance with Navy policy.”

Previously, the Independence class vessels USS Jackson and Montgomery were set to be decommissioned in 2024, and then placed into "Out of Commission, in Reserve" (OCIR) status. The Navy defines OCIR as the "status of a decommissioned Navy ship being held in reserve for future mobilization purposes," meaning that such ships could be reactivated in the future.

The original decision to divest the two Independence class ships was primarily because of changes in the plan for a set of mission packages intended to be used on both subclasses of LCSs. Both the Independence class and Freedom class LCSs were originally designed to fulfill a multitude of roles within littoral zones through the use of swappable anti-submarine warfare, surface warfare, and mine countermeasure packages. The original intention was for all LCSs to be highly flexible vessels, with the ability to switch quickly from one mission set to another.

The Navy has since abandoned this plan entirely and the packages will be installed permanently – future Constellation class frigates are expected to provide the desired additional anti-submarine warfare capacity. At present, 15 Independence class LCSs are set to perform the mine countermeasure mission, while six Freedom class LCSs will perform the surface warfare mission.

As the 2024 shipbuilding plan suggests, the Navy is ridding itself of USS Jackson (LCS 6) and Montgomery (LCS 8), the eldest Independence class LCSs, because the service only requires 15 vessels of that class to execute mine countermeasure missions. That the Navy intends to sell these vessels via its FMS process is a new development, and an interesting one given that the shipbuilding plan also highlights that neither of the ships has completed lethality and survivability upgrades.

While the issues around mission packages have affected both classes of LCSs, talk of decommissioning and even selling various Freedom class LCSs to foreign buyers has been prominent as of late.


It was first thought that the Navy would decommission between eight and ten Freedom class LCSs as part of its 2023 Fiscal Year budget, before plans for a total of nine were suggested. However, a subsequent draft spending bill from the House Appropriations Committee indicated that a total of only four vessels of the class, rather than nine, might have ended up being decommissioned contrary to the Navy’s intentions. This was subsequently confirmed in the 2023 Fiscal Year National Defense Authorization Act, which states that no "more than four" LCSs would be retired, prepared to be retired, or otherwise placed in storage.


The notion of selling a number of Freedom class LCSs to foreign buyers was even proposed in May 2022 by Admiral Michael Gilday, the U.S. Navy’s chief of naval operations. Testifying at a congressional hearing on the Navy’s 2023 budget request, Gilday argued that various U.S. partners and allies – particularly those in South America – might be tempted to buy the vessels, which have more recently been put to use in counter-smuggling operations.


That said, whichever foreign buyer(s) chooses to purchase the four Freedom class LCSs and two Independence class LCSs will need serious funds to keep them seaworthy. As The War Zone previously reported, it’s been suggested that the annual cost of running a single LCS amounts to around $70 million, compared to approximately $81 million for an Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer (DDG).

There will also likely be significant costs to repair and modify the vessels for whoever buys them. Since their conception, multiple design problems have cut across both LCS classes. Perhaps most notably, the Freedom class has suffered issues with its propulsion system as well as with its combining gear, preventing the vessels from meeting their intended performance potential.

Indeed, it was only in May last year that the Freedom class USS Sioux City (LCS 11) became the first LCS of either class to be deployed to Europe and the Middle East in areas the Navy originally intended to use the vessels. Of course, the news that the Navy now intends to sell a number of both LCS subvariants speaks broadly to the fact that the service is still having problems nailing down exactly what it wants to do with these ships in the present, and how many LCSs it needs precisely.

It certainly remains to be seen who might be interested in buying examples of either vessel class, and to what uses they might be put towards, after their time with the U.S. Navy. The price they will pay for these nearly new ships, which cost around half a billion dollars each, is another big question. If nothing else, the recent decision to sell a total of six LCSs in the coming years marks the latest chapter in the ever-evolving narrative that is the LCS story. 

maybe RMN should have a look at it rather than continue with the MAHARAJA LELA LCS?
right now dunno how many if any at all of Maharaja Lela LCS will be complete and enter service, the US Navy LCS all is less than 10 years old, maybe can be use as a stopgap .

Freedom-class littoral combat ship.
Independence-class littoral combat ship

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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 25 2023, 04:23 PM)
Navy Wants To Sell-Off Six Nearly New Littoral Combat Ships
maybe RMN should have a look at it rather than continue with the MAHARAJA LELA  LCS?
right now dunno how many if any at all of Maharaja Lela LCS will be complete and enter service, the US Navy LCS all is less than 10 years old, maybe can be use as a stopgap .

Freedom-class littoral combat ship.
Independence-class littoral combat ship
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nah, US's trimaran LCS is just another ill, cursed, leaky, problematic ship project next to INS Vikrant & our own LCS program. not worth it.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 24 2023, 05:49 PM)
Historically, unless is powerful or very poor, independent nation either get colonized by a distant country or conquered by powerful neighbour.
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The same is still true today.

In general we shouldn't bought anything french but for others it might be a great idea
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Apr 27 2023, 04:31 PM)
The same is still true today.

In general we shouldn't bought anything french but for others it might be a great idea
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Many politicians didn't read history, have no idea of consequences of their ignorance ideology.

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Broken-down HMS Prince of Wales carrier cannibalized to repair its sister ship

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Britain’s £3 billion warship HMS Prince of Wales is being stripped for parts after a major mechanical failure last year.

The aircraft carrier broke down after technical issues centred on the starboard side propeller last August led to the cancellation of a long-planned visit to the US.

The incident, off the coast of the Isle of Wight, occurred less than 24 hours into the passage across the Atlantic.

The warship's port propeller also needs to be replaced as it is suffering from the same issues, according to the Mail on Sunday.

While in dry dock in Scotland, some parts from HMS Prince of Wales are being stripped and used to replace broken items on her sister ship, HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Oil and fuel filters, used to separate sea water from diesel in the fuel tanks to prevent fouling of the engine, have been taken from the carrier.

Also removed was the chain from one of the flight desk lifts, used to carry fighter jets from the interior hangars up to the flight deck.

After one of the links broke on HMS Queen Elizabeth, it was deemed too expensive to contract industry immediately for a replacement.

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clickbait
mark my words, come September sure no comment from these bastards when she sails again

QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 25 2023, 04:23 PM)
maybe RMN should have a look at it rather than continue with the MAHARAJA LELA  LCS?
right now dunno how many if any at all of Maharaja Lela LCS will be complete and enter service, the US Navy LCS all is less than 10 years old, maybe can be use as a stopgap .

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actually worth considering

the USN's main problem with these ships is that the USN doesn't need them and they exceed the USN's manning and maintenance budget for ships of this type. for us however, they would be our major combat ships, so higher manpower and maintenance costs is not really a major headache

IF we can get them cheap and with a decent weapons fit, they would do as a stopgap. but then again there are risks involved obviously. I just wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2023, 06:29 PM)
Many politicians didn't read history, have no idea of consequences of their ignorance ideology.
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Most politicians suffer from having short term viewpoint.
This includes political in 1st world or western countries but the country still succeed because of public pressure for minister to execute based on advice of the burocrat and an independent watchdog who keep those burocrat & minister in check.

The French derived LCS & Chinese build LMS is procure against the country national interest. We spent a whole lot of taxpayer money for something that not particularly useful nor effective.




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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Apr 27 2023, 08:01 PM)
clickbait
mark my words, come September sure no comment from these bastards when she sails again
actually worth considering

the USN's main problem with these ships is that the USN doesn't need them and they exceed the USN's manning and maintenance budget for ships of this type. for us however, they would be our major combat ships, so higher manpower and maintenance costs is not really a major headache

IF we can get them cheap and with a decent weapons fit, they would do as a stopgap. but then again there are risks involved obviously. I just wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.
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Depends on whether we could get it in high enough numbers.
At least 5 or 6. But if they are only willing to let us have 1 or 2 then it's not worth it.

The freedom class is not that great for USN. It has a problem with it combines gear, the combined gear is needed by USN to keep up with their other ships & carrier. We meanwhile don't have a requirement for high speed operations. It lightly arms with limited radar range (by USN standard) & on the small size for littoral setting which is a problem for USN as their main competitors is half way around the world at the other end of the Pasific.

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There are many many many things wrong with LCS for USN let's put this way biggrin.gif it would take too long to go through

Anyway it's just a suggestion. There could be many reasons why we shouldn't take it up either
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Two US Army AH-64 Apache helicopters crash in Alaska, 3 dead & 1 injured



Two U.S. Army helicopters returning from a training flight crashed in Alaska on Thursday with four people aboard, killing three soldiers and injuring the fourth, Army officials said.

The Army’s 11th Airborne Division confirmed the deaths late Thursday, saying that the two AH-64 Apache helicopters had crashed near Healy, Alaska, which is more than 200 miles north of Anchorage. Two of the four soldiers were declared dead at the crash site, and a third died on the way to a hospital in Fairbanks, it said.


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Royal Thai Navy welcomes new China-built LPD HTMS Chang into service

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A Chinese-made amphibious assault vessel that was ordered by Thailand reached its homeport in the nation a week after it was handed over to the new owner at the Chinese shipyard.

The HTMS Chang, a Type 071E landing platform dock, reached Chuk Samet Pier by the Sattahip Naval Base in Chonburi, southern Thailand, on 25 April.

The ship departed Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding’s facility based in Shanghai on 18 April, where it underwent its construction by the China State Shipbuilding Corp. It sailed to Thailand via the Taiwan Strait.

A ceremony to hand over the HTMS Chang to the Royal Thai Navy officially took place the day before it set sail for home, with Adm. Choengchai Chomchoengpaet, the service’s chief, in attendance.

The Type 071E is an export variant of the Type 071, which is now in service with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy. The design measures approximately 210 meters in length, with a beam of about 28 meters and a displacement of about 25,000 tons when loaded fully.

The landing platform dock boasts a stern well that can carry four air-cushioned landing craft to launch amphibious assaults, while its hull-mounted davits can transport, launch, and also recover conventional landing craft. A vehicle deck has space that is enough for about 60 armoured fighting vehicles. The vessel can accommodate up to 800 troops.

There are helicopter landing pads that can accommodate two Z-18 heavy-lift transport helicopters, with hangar spaces safely available for four helicopters.

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