When was the AIM-120D invented? When was Meteor?

And your point being? The Ds are an evolutionary development. The Meteor is different design. Both are capable missiles scheduled to operate in the 2000s and beyond. There is no compelling reason to convert esp. considering the lower costs for Ds.

By the way, the UK has purchased the Ds as well in 2018 and scheduled for delivery 2-3 years later:

https://www.forces.net/news/uk-given-approv...buy-us-missiles

This post has been edited by Mai189: Apr 9 2023, 01:49 AM

UK stocking 120Ds is probably for their F-35 fleet; Meteor is operational now on Typhoon

my point is that you have to take timeline and availability into consideration when evaluating why people chose to do something

That is what the uk is saying if you care to read the last post - for the F35s. Still, the Euros including the UK are working to integrate the Meteor as well and they will likely use either one or both on sorties. Both are capable missiles. For other countries who have a choice between the Amraams or Meteor, the choice is heavily in favour of the Amraams. No compelling reason to choose the Meteor.

Both Amraams Ds and Meteor are inducted into service in the 2000s. Timeline does not factor much here. I think the Meteor was available first as the Ds were made for the USAF and Marines first. So it does not support the argument that the Meteor is a more preferred BVR missile too as many countries simply waited for the Ds e.g. Australia which also uses Asraams i.e. they are prepared to explore non US munitions for her air force and pay for integration.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Apr 9 2023, 05:58 AM

A capability that RSN has brought over to successor submarines and from their formations, operationalized by the RSNs NDU.

The European had always been willing to pay
It's the other party that couldn't care less.


Countries outside Euro would bough the meteors For the same reason European ae buying meteor. To gain some autonomy from US.

Which is why I thought based on past events the m346FA would have been the LCA of choice. Thought they utilise American engine & thus US can dictate where when & whome such jet could be sold to.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Apr 9 2023, 12:47 PM

The 2000s are a very long time!

As has been said many times, M346FA is far behind FA50 in development and proven performance

So what. They were induced around the same time.

No. They are buying Amraams because the claimed additional performance of the Meteor may not matter. Come back when sales of Meteor match that of Amraam.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Apr 9 2023, 04:44 PM

Not at all
It helps to understand why people make the decisions they do if you have a realistic understanding of what options they had at the time

There are multiple factors besides performance why sales are made
If you want to compare sales figures then US and Soviet equipment will always be tops but that doesn't necessarily bespeak their performance

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Apr 9 2023, 04:53 PM

Would still be a politically correct choice if US weapons & system was a no Go.

That's like saying NSM is superior to whatever it is the Israeli called their SSM because it has more users.

Ehhh I don't think it's fully ITAR free

Gabriel series
Which actually is relatively popular in Europe, Germany and I think Finland uses it

How? When was the Meteors IOC? est. 2016. When was the Amraams 120Ds IOC? est. 2015. Check your facts.

No. It is clear the 120Ds and Meteor are inducted around the same time.

Of course sales doesn't equate with performance. I never claimed that this is the case. But it doesn't necessarily mean the Amraam will not achieve the desired outcome at the end of the day and at a lower cost.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Apr 11 2023, 02:11 PM

Actually that is what the manufacturer claims. But this is not about performance per se. Rather, it is about meeting the desired specifications or outcomes.

As I have said, there is no compelling reason to get the meteor when u can get your hands on the Amraam 120D.

would murican allow a US missile to shoot down a US made plane like F-16/F-15 without their permission? Having Amraam is useful against chinese fighters but less effective against nations that equip with US made fighters.

dont think they have any issue if amraam shoots down korean made fighters.

meteor is fantastic. UK is integrating this into its F-35Bs which makes only 1 nation in this region to be the likely user.

Check programme development and contracting as well my dear.

I am attempting to have a reasoned exchange of info in good faith. However, you seem to want to stretch a debate to ridiculous ends to try salvage whatever point you are making.

Not only are you not privy to what development in situ or what goes on in these firms, you choose to brush aside important facts such as IOC dates or first sales. These facts show proof that these two missiles i.e. meteor or the 120ds were inducted around the same time.