No. You still do. The UUVs may have limited range and need mother ships to convey them or need recharging or replenishment of expended equipment.
Yes. Some countries like to boast. Some countries prefer to be discreet. Some are secretive. So you do see ships being under classified e.g. Japan's helicopter destroyers which are de facto carriers or Singapores Endurance class lst which are actually lpds.
No guesses in South East Asia on which countries are empty cans which make loud noises and which countries are the quiet ones but intelligent and we'll prepared (for exigencies,) and which countries are exceptionally messy and unprepared.
For comparative purpose, a USN Ticonderoga cruiser is about 10000 tons.
You are referring to the German F126 frigate in your last post. It is a good point of reference as it is about 10000 tons (not sure full load) and needs only a crew of about 100-190 personnel. I am guessing Sgs MRCV will be about this size too.
On sensors and weapons, RSN is giving the MRCV some of the best systems around - Seafire radar (Europes equivalent of the US Aegis Spy 6 radar), Mica vl NG (40+km range), Aster 30 (150+km range for the latest version or Blk 1 NT), etc. The SSMs are likely to be a more advanced version of the Gabriel 5/Blue Spear (200km to 400km range )- the ST Vanguard 130 graphics show that up to 24 SSMs can be carried which is a similar loadout to the Formidable frigates. Being a destroyer class ship, the MRCV will have space for more VLS launchers - and can carry very very long range land attack missiles like Tomahawks (there are other options like the French Scalp navale or Israeli Popeye Turbo). Meanwhile her embedded USVs, UUBs and USVs will extend sensor range so she can see much further than any ship and strike first and/or contribute to SAFs over arching battle management network.
FPDA and ASEAN also benefit as there is finally a destroyer class of ships from South East Asia that can go toe to toe with Plans Type 052/055 destroyers instead of relying solely on the USN and occasional deployments from UK or Australia.
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MINDEF has signed a contract with Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd (ST Engineering) for the detailed design and construction of six Multi-Role Combat Vessels (MRCVs) to replace the existing Victory-class Missile Corvettes (MCVs) in the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN). The six MRCVs will be delivered progressively from 2028 onwards.
The MRCV employs key technologies such as configurable modular payloads and unmanned systems, allowing the vessel to function as a "mothership" for unmanned drones and vessels to conduct a range of missions from peace to war.
The MCVs have been serving with distinction since 1989 and will remain in operational service until the MRCVs are delivered and operationalised.
In order to meet the timeline of 2030 or say 2031/32, ST may need to build two ships at a time. They have been doing this before successfully.
Note the delivery date of 2028 onwards as opposed to the previously shared launch date of 2025. 2028 is likely commissioned date i.e. official handover to RSN.
While the news on the 10000 ton MRCV destroyers are being digested, we should not forget about the on going mid life upgrade to the Formidable multi mission frigates which remain (to this day) the most advanced and potent frigate in South East Asia and the most well armed in its class in the world.
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Fact Sheet: Mid-life Upgrades to Formidable-class Frigates
Background
The Formidable-class frigates are the principal combatants of the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN), and form the sharp edge of its fighting force to defend Singapore and protect our vital sea lines of communication. Since the commissioning of the first frigate in 2007, the frigates have pushed the operating envelope for the RSN across all dimensions – air, surface and underwater – in the maritime domain. Having been in service for close to two decades, the frigates will be upgraded to ensure they retain the capability and flexibility to meet evolving operational demands.
Enhancements to Frigates
In close collaboration with the Defence Science and Technology Agency as well as DSO National Laboratories, key upgrades in the frigate mid-life upgrade programme will comprise the following:
a. Enhanced Command & Control (C2) System. The frigates' Combat Management System (CMS) will be enhanced to harness the latest developments in advanced technologies such as in artificial intelligence. Together with improved sensors, this will enable the frigates to detect and react faster to potential threats.
b. Enhanced Combat Systems. Upgrades will be made to the frigates' weapons and communication systems. Besides preventing technology obsolescence, the frigates' weapon systems will be upgraded to be more lethal and accurate, while the ships' communication systems will be refreshed to increase the networking capacity of the frigates with the rest of the SAF.
c. Enhanced Operational Readiness. The Fleet Management System will be incorporated into the upgraded frigates. Information collected on the ships' platform and combat systems health status will be collated and used for pre-emptive engineering actions, to enhance the frigates' operational readiness.
I'm wondering why is this so? Not cleared for Amraams which has a different shape or future AAMs?
Note: one of the reasons Sg did not opt for Rafales is that the US refused to clear Amraams on the plane. It is a reasonable tactical move by the US which led to Rafales ouster from the competition which saw the F15Sg won.
Air forces want commonality to reduce costs and ease of use.
Also the missile fins appear smaller - does it mean modified Meteor missile?
^ the USV that will be deployed from RSN's MRCV. With the larger docking space of a full load 10000 tons ship, more of these robot USVs can be carried.
I'm wondering why is this so? Not cleared for Amraams which has a different shape or future AAMs?
Note: one of the reasons Sg did not opt for Rafales is that the US refused to clear Amraams on the plane. It is a reasonable tactical move by the US which led to Rafales ouster from the competition which saw the F15Sg won.
Air forces want commonality to reduce costs and ease of use.
Also the missile fins appear smaller - does it mean modified Meteor missile?
Likely They built the plane to be a bit more independent from the US.
Not to dissimilar with SAF which used phyton & derby of GBAD while using MICA & aster 15 for RSN. Logically it would be much more cost & operationally effective to just standardized on sidewinder,amraam,ESSM for all the 3 branches of military.
Likely They built the plane to be a bit more independent from the US.
Not to dissimilar with SAF which used phyton & derby of GBAD while using MICA & aster 15 for RSN. Logically it would be much more cost & operationally effective to just standardized on sidewinder,amraam,ESSM for all the 3 branches of military.
Not just one but not to many. So you manage the risks.
RSAF uses US + Israeli + local munitions.
RSAF F16s have already seen with DASH which is linked to Pythons and Derbies.
RSN uses French + US (phasing out) + Israeli + local munitions e.g. new 5th gen SSMs.
VL MICA (on LMV - these will be upgraded to VL MICA NG in future) and soon VL MICA NG (for MRCV and upgraded Formidables) and Aster 15s/30s (Aster 15s will be phased out and RSN will just use Aster 30s with VL MICA NG) are from MBDA.
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As the Absalon displacement is about 6600+ to 6800+ tons at full load, we can see where this is going with a stretched/bigger version with permanent detachments of USVs, USVs, UUVs + helicopters. Note: maintenance facilities stored in mission modules need to be carried too. The ship cannot simply return to port each time a USV needs maintenance.
Pretty straight forward after that - The stretched hull will accommodate VLS launchers for VL MICA NG, Aster 30s and cruise missiles (now or in future) forward of the bridge whilst the center multi mission platform can accommodate 24 SSMs e.g. enhanced Blue Spears/Gabriel 5s similar to the Formidable class.
Per the scoop by Naval News, the eventual design may hit 10000 tons at full load (with all its unmanned systems or robots on board).
ST's Vanguard 130 at 5000 tons+ is just too small - no room for maintenance or growth (big No No for RSN).
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Not just one but not to many. So you manage the risks.
RSAF uses US + Israeli + local munitions.
RSAF F16s have already seen with DASH which is linked to Pythons and Derbies.
RSN uses French + US (phasing out) + Israeli + local munitions e.g. new 5th gen SSMs.
VL MICA (on LMV - these will be upgraded to VL MICA NG in future) and soon VL MICA NG (for MRCV and upgraded Formidables) and Aster 15s/30s (Aster 15s will be phased out and RSN will just use Aster 30s with VL MICA NG) are from MBDA.
Essm are basically just amraam and python & mica are basically amraam alternative. Most military would just use 1 of it for their 3 branches rather than having all 3 for cost & operational efficiencies.
Basically SG like SK are diversifying away from US dependency. SK had diversified the other 2 branches and the AF is the last one to do so. If this trend continues then the F15SG replacement won't be American.
Essm are basically just amraam and python & mica are basically amraam alternative. Most military would just use 1 of it for their 3 branches rather than having all 3 for cost & operational efficiencies.
Basically SG like SK are diversifying away from US dependency. SK had diversified the other 2 branches and the AF is the last one to do so. If this trend continues then the F15SG replacement won't be American.
Like I said. Diversification of risks. So you go for two at most. Any more and it'll strain your logistics. + They could be other benefits like tech sharing which will benefit Sg (not so much as in local production) but better appreciation of how these systems work. So they can integrate these weapons better and be in a better position to decide on future buys.
I have to agree with you on the F15Sg replacements. I doubt Sg or even Japan or Australia will get their hands on the 6th Gen US NGAD fighter (which replaced the F22) or that it will take a long time.
The other options is the Tempest. The French-German 6th gen fighter is also a possibility but less likely as I don't think the US will get her cleared for the latest US weapons.
I expect the F15SGs which is already a 4.5 Gen aircraft to be upgraded by sometime end 2030 or early 2030. The search for a replacement will begin in the 2030s and a new aircraft will be inducted sometime 2040 (by which time the F15Sgs would be flying for >30 years). Yes, I know SAF graphics show the F15Sgs in 2040 but that is because the Sg hasn't started the process of replacing them yet.
Like I said. Diversification of risks. So you go for two at most. Any more and it'll strain your logistics. + They could be other benefits like tech sharing which will benefit Sg (not so much as in local production) but better appreciation of how these systems work. So they can integrate these weapons better and be in a better position to decide on future buys.
I have to agree with you on the F15Sg replacements. I doubt Sg or even Japan or Australia will get their hands on the 6th Gen US NGAD fighter (which replaced the F22) or that it will take a long time.
The other options is the Tempest. The French-German 6th gen fighter is also a possibility but less likely as I don't think the US will get her cleared for the latest US weapons.
I expect the F15SGs which is already a 4.5 Gen aircraft to be upgraded by sometime end 2030 or early 2030. The search for a replacement will begin in the 2030s and a new aircraft will be inducted sometime 2040 (by which time the F15Sgs would be flying for >30 years). Yes, I know SAF graphics show the F15Sgs in 2040 but that is because the Sg hasn't started the process of replacing them yet.
Diversifying away from US is expensive.
Not just for Intergration cost but also the fact one can't just relied on US missiles stockpiling. Military eat missiles for lunch during war and thus it indicates that the country that diversity forsee no conflict in the future or they don't want to follow US into a foreseeable future conflict.
Diversifying away militarily would also mean US also had no good reason to bribe the country in question with preferential access to her market , tech & IP compared to countries that Increasing her reliance on US. Thus a diversifying away from US economically as well.
Not just for Intergration cost but also the fact one can't just relied on US missiles stockpiling. Military eat missiles for lunch during war and thus it indicates that the country that diversity forsee no conflict in the future or they don't want to follow US into a foreseeable future conflict.
Diversifying away militarily would also mean US also had no good reason to bribe the country in question with preferential access to her market , tech & IP compared to countries that Increasing her reliance on US. Thus a diversifying away from US economically as well.
The names of the Type 218SG submarines are as follows:
1) RSS Invincible 2) RSS Impeccable 3) RSS Illustrious 4) RSS Inimitable + 5) Archer Class - RSS Archer - AIP equipped and modernized 6) Archer Class - RSS Swordsman - AIP equipped and modernized
The last 2 remaining Challenger class submarines will be retired.
There are also reports of a 5th Type 218SG. This has not been confirmed by Sg.
Until the Archer class submarines are formally retired or replaced, Sgs peak submarine strength will be 6 or 7 (if news on the 5th Type 219Sg submarine is true). Sg may also decide to order 2 more Type 218Sg submarines to have a 6-ship Type 218Sg squadron similar to the MRCV or Formidable squadrons.
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