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azriel
post Nov 4 2022, 04:54 PM

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PT PAL 163 meter LPD for the United Arab Emirate (UAE) Navy.

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azriel
post Nov 4 2022, 06:58 PM

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azriel
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PT Republik Armamen unveils its IFAR 22 bullpup assault rifle

04/11/2022
By Joseph Roukoz

The appearance of a made in Indonesia bullpup assault rifle is not a first in itself, as the first firearm in that configuration was exhibited at Indo Defense 2006, another project, this time a Designated Marksman Rifle in 7.62 mm calibre being shown ten years later. Both were developed by the R&D division of PT Pindad, the state-owned defence company.

At the 2022 edition of Indo Defense a new bullpup assault rifle, this time chambered for the 5.56×45 mm NATO calibre was unveiled by PT Republik Armamen, a private company part of Republik Orp, a holding that regroups numerous companies operating in the defence business that was formed in 2014.

The new rifle is known as IFAR 22, for Indonesian Future Assault Rifle, and is available in two version with different barrel lengths, respectively 20-inch (508 mm) and 16-inch (406 mm), barrels being provided by PT Pindad.

The design is user-friendly also for left-handed soldiers as not only all commands can are available on both sides, but also the brass ejection port can be reverted, switching the opening on the left to avoid spent cases to hit the shooter. A typical gas piston operated rifle, the IFAR 22 rate of fire is of 600-800 rounds per minute, the three-position selector being installed on top of the pistol grip allowing the shooter to operate it easily, The IFAR 22 is fed by a standard STANAG 4179 30-round magazine.


Read more: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/pt-republik-arma...p-assault-rifle

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 4 2022, 04:54 PM)
PT PAL 163 meter LPD for the United Arab Emirate (UAE) Navy.

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are there hanger for those heli?
Mai189
post Nov 5 2022, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Nov 3 2022, 09:57 AM)
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Good grief. They will have ballistic missile capability soon? We are so screwed.
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Nothing new.

This is a MRLS rocket system with a large rocket so it goes further. This is the Turkish version of the US's ATACMs and new PRsM, European Joint Fire Support Missile and Israeli LORA. The Joint Fire Support Missile (actually i think this more of a cruise missile) (450km), ATACMS (400km to 500km), LORA (400km to 500km) and and PRsM missiles (>650km) are more sophisticated and go further. They are commonly referred to as rocket artillery tactical ballistic missiles.

For comparison Sg's Blue Spear (which is a land attack/anti ship cruise missile) has a max range of 430km and the PRsM missile (launched from Himars) which a Sg Himars was caught testing has a range of 650km and currently the US is increasing range to 1000km - see my previous post. Australia is also in the PRsM missile program from open source research. Vietnam has the Vietnamese R-17E or Russian Scud which has a range of 300km.

China has the most if she chooses to place some in the Spratlys which can reach anywhere in South East Asia - so you see where the deterrence is being pointed to.

This is likely due to Avibras (maker of Astross) going bankrupt so I am expecting a solution that can be fitted into an Astross launcher provided Indo has the money and will to act and properly follow through on this so called agreement.

The problem for Malaysia is that there is no proper anti ballistic / anti air missile system.

To stop smaller calibre rockets, you need a CRAM like Iron Dome.

To stop larger calibre rockets such as the ATACMs or PRsMS you need medium range like Syper SR (41km range) and long range systems (Aster 30 with 120km range). Spyder has a secondary CRAM (for large and small calibre rockets) function. Aster 30 missiles is indeed built to counter short range ballistic missile, cruise missiles, aircraft, etc.

This is how the European Joint Fire Support Missile looks like (large numbers will be bought and integrated in Himars) (I think everyone has seen how the LORA, ATACMS and PRsM look like):


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Mai189
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Nov 3 2022, 04:07 PM)
Sinkie will die for Malaysia? Assume Sinkie bodoh? I'm not even sure Malaysians will die for Malaysia.

No more leverage over Sinkie. Cut water = already enuf desalination, newater. Cut chicken, not even a cluck of complain. Cut people = no impact over entire covid period, only Johor suffer from tourism drop.

Army used to be known to be very good to operate in jungle. But today, jungle getting less and less (forest area <44% of peninsular).

I think better not to irritate Sinkie anymore. One day they decide to sink Mahresia, what can Mahresia do? I think many will be happy to get paid in Sing dollar. Then no need to cross border every day.
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We are using Singkie (embedded in our FPDA narrative) as the ostensible backup in our deterrence.

It is a "force in being".

Whether or not Singkie will help is another matter. Msia can hope it does through better relations.
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post Nov 5 2022, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 3 2022, 10:27 PM)
I went to Indo Defence 2022 today. Took some photos.

PT PAL 143 meter frigate:

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I am sorry to burst anyone's bubble as Im being objective. I have never seen anything so remotely linked to reality. I wont ramble too much:

a) The main mast is without any radar and resembles the Indian Kolkata class ship with carries Israeli! Elta martime radar arrays.

b) It appears to have 2 127m BAE system cannons (yet a another calibre round in Indo navys diverse range of calibres). The 127mmm gun on the upper deck does not seem to make sense unless it is smaller - you need a lot of vertical and horizontal deck space for a gun that size.

c) Fantastically, the model shows more VLS than an arleigh burke destroyer with never seen before VLS designs - it looks like MICA in the front and why on earth do you waste so much deck space for a shorad?

I think these are Indo's own inputs which may or may not make sense.

It reminds of the mock-up of the so called stealth fighter from a non aircraft manufacturing company InfoGlobal which resembles the much maligned Iranian Qaher 313.

By the way, Oct has passed. What happened to the steel cutting of the Arrowhead FFBMW?

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Mai189
post Nov 5 2022, 08:30 PM

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There doesnt seem to any major Indo pocurement during the exhibition - just lots of models.

Previously, I talked about Indo's financial hurdles. This is also nothing new - known to France and US. Indo cannot afford the Rafales and F5ID:

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transport/...-over-financing

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Executives from the US plane-maker flew to Jakarta this week to discuss the transaction with Indonesian officials on the sidelines of an annual defence exhibition, the people said, asking not to be identified because the deliberations are confidential.

Boeing is concerned about the ability of South-east Asia’s biggest economy to finance the jets, with Indonesia insisting on paying in installments, said the people.


They have apparently bought 6 Rafales M? But I dont see it in Dassaults order book so it may be second hand.

Now if you conduct open source search, you will see that they are buying second hand Mirage 2000 which is admittedly outdated so the pool of money for Rafales become even smaller.

Heres the problem - these 4th gen and 4.5 gen planes will either be outdated or second rated in 2030. Some like the F15s will see their production lines closed by 2030.

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Singapore has bought more Leopard 2SG tanks

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It looks like about 224 Leopard 2SG tanks for now...

Remember that they are meant to replace some 350 retired AMX13 SM1 tanks. It is possible this number may reach more than 300 Leo 2SG tanks.

Indo has 103.

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azriel
post Nov 6 2022, 09:17 AM

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The new vehicle of the Turkish Armed Forces went abroad for the first time

Armored Amphibious Assault Vehicle (ZAHA), which counts the days to enter the Turkish Armed Forces inventory, is preparing for export.

Goksel Yildirim | 05.11.2022

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FNSS, one of the armored land vehicle manufacturers of the Turkish defense industry, exhibited ZAHA at the Indo Defense Expo & Forum 2022 Fair held in Jakarta, Indonesia.

ZAHA, whose qualification studies have come to an end and is preparing to enter the inventory, was taken to Indonesia by ship in approximately 1.5 months. With the fair, ZAHA was exhibited abroad for the first time.

FNSS ZAHA Program Manager Mustafa Kaplan told Anadolu Agency (AA) that the ZAHA Project started with the contract signed in March 2017 between the Presidency of Defense Industry Presidency and FNSS.

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Stating that the vehicles to be produced within the scope of the project will be given to the Marine Corps Brigade, Kaplan said, "We are about to complete the qualification phase of our project. After the qualification phase is completed, we will present our vehicles to the disposal of the Naval Forces." said.

Pointing out that ZAHA is the first vehicle that FNSS has ever produced that can operate at sea, Kaplan said, "At the same time, it is a very rare vehicle in the world. Only the USA has a very old design in the world. ZAHA is much more up-to-date than it is. And it has outstanding features.” he said.

It has 3 variants

Providing information about the features of the vehicle, Kaplan pointed out that ZAHA has both mine and ballistic protection features. Explaining that the vehicle can reach a maximum speed of 7 knots at sea, Kaplan continued:

"It can reach a speed of 70 kilometers per hour on land, too. We can carry a total of 21 personnel in our vehicle. We have 3 different variants. One of them is the personnel carrier we showed at the fair. In addition, we have command and rescue vehicles. We have a remote-controlled weapon system in our command and personnel carrier vehicles. In this weapon system, we have 2 guns at the same time. It has a 40 mm grenade launcher and a 12.7 mm automatic machine gun. Our current weapon system works with superior features. The automatic target tracking system does its own calculations and can destroy enemy elements very effectively."

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Kaplan said that they have been trying to optimize ZAHA so that it can meet the needs of the sea while also meeting the mine and ballistic requirements, and the targeted result has been achieved.

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Indonesian soldiers found what they were looking for in ZAHA

Stating that Indonesia's interest in this vehicle has continued for the last few years, Kaplan said:

"Last May, the Indonesian Marine Corps Commander visited Turkey and had the opportunity to examine our vehicle. We also conducted sea tests with him. When they arrived, they expressed that they liked the vehicle very much. There is a US solution with similar capabilities to this vehicle, but our vehicle is different from this vehicle. It has much superior features. The Indonesian army already has the vehicles I mentioned and they were very pleased when they saw ZAHA due to the troubles they had there and they expressed their desire to supply this vehicle very quickly. In this direction, we brought our vehicle to the fair and provided them with the opportunity to see it again. We have created an environment where we can discuss the details. Our hope is to turn it into a contract as soon as possible."


https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/ekonomi/turk-silah...a-cikti/2730314
azriel
post Nov 6 2022, 09:25 AM

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Lundin Reveals X-33 Light Strike Boat / UAV combo

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Our Bureau -  : Nov 4, 2022 -  : 4:05 am

PT Lundin revealed its newest product the X-33 Light Strike Boat and Unmanned Surface Vessel at the ongoing Indo Defence 2022 show.

The Indonesian privately-owned shipyard is highlighting the X-33 which was based on the requirements from the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) for a fast strike boat armed with anti-ship missiles. The requirements also call for the ability to fit multiple boats inside the well deck of the Makassar-class LPDs of the Indonesian Navy.

Armed with a pair of Naval Strike Missiles (NSMs), the boat is powered by two 2,000 HP diesel engines driving a pair of waterjets. It can reach a maximum speed of 50 knots, a cruise speed of up to 30 knots, and a range of 990 km with 9 knots cruising speed.

PT Lundin exp]ects that the first prototype of the boat is expected to be launched in the next 18 months.


https://gbp.com.sg/stories/lundin-reveals-x...boat-usv-combo/







azriel
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Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto checking out the Dassault Rafale on display during Indo Defence 2022.

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https://indonesiadefense.com/menhan-prabowo...-tempur-rafale/
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Nov 5 2022, 08:43 PM)
Singapore has bought more Leopard 2SG tanks

Great chart!



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It looks like about 224 Leopard 2SG tanks for now...

Remember that they are meant to replace some 350 retired AMX13 SM1 tanks. It is possible this number may reach more than 300 Leo 2SG tanks.

Indo has 103.
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The 224 Leo2SG MBTS are protected by both passive and active protection systems - AMAP-ADS.

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The arrangement of sensors and countermeasures provides a hemispherical protection. The overlapping sectors of the sensor-countermeasure modules enable the system to defeat multi-attacks. Due to the short reaction time of approximately 560 microseconds, threats can be eliminated at ranges of approximately 10 m, not depending on the speed of the threat.[3] AMAP-ADS is one of the fastest active protection systems, faster than Quick Kill, Iron Fist or Trophy.[3] Since the countermeasures create a non-fragmenting stream of material, collateral damage to nearby troops or civilians is minimized. These are important aspects in urban environments. In comparison to other hard-kill systems, there are no moving parts. This makes ADS light and reduces power requirements. Therefore, it can be installed on lightweight vehicles.


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Prototypes have already been tested on several vehicles including Marder,[4] SEP, Combat Vehicle 90 and Patria AMV LMV.

Singapore has decided to use AMAP-ADS as active protection system on their vehicles, while a number of European armies are considering buying it.[1]

Successful demonstrations


Older 2019 article before Singapore bought even more Leo 2SG tanks:

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2019/02/21...eopard-2-tanks/

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Singapore’s Leopard 2s are also being upgraded to the Leopard 2SG standard with the addition of an IBD Deisenroth Advanced Modular Armor Protection modular composite armor package, El-Op Commander Open Architecture Panoramic Sight and other improvements. Singapore also reportedly acquired Rheinmetall’s ADS active protection system for its Leopard 2 tanks.




I suspect there is a reason why the armour on the Leo 2SG is straight or planar:

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Because the AMAP-ADS will be installed on it - see below when the Leo 2 is equipped with AMAP-ADS:

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Note: It is not necessary to install Active Protection Systems in peace time. They are expensive and ought to kept in prime condition, and installed only if the situation demands it.


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Because of the modular nature of the system, the hard kill counter measures/interceptors can also be placed facing upwards to deal with top-down missile attacks- it is the only true Western 360 degrees active protection system available:



Other Active Protection Systems will have to kill the incoming missile at an angle before it reaches its zenith or top attack position - which has been proven to be effective too.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Nov 6 2022, 04:04 PM)
The 224 Leo2SG MBTS are protected by both passive and active protection systems - AMAP-ADS.
Older 2019 article before Singapore bought even more Leo 2SG tanks:

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2019/02/21...eopard-2-tanks/


I suspect there is a reason why the armour on the Leo 2SG is straight or planar:

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Because the AMAP-ADS will be installed on it - see below when the Leo 2 is equipped with AMAP-ADS:

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Note: It is not necessary to install Active Protection Systems in peace time. They are expensive and ought to kept in prime condition, and installed only if the situation demands it.
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Meanwhile, Singapore's Hunter AFV uses a special Elbit turret which is designed to be installed with the Trophy Active Protection System:

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Read more: https://militaryleak.com/2019/03/03/rafael-...and-spike-atgm/

The initial prototypes had a turret from rheinmetall:

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Note the serial number. This is the 507th Hunter AFV unit built by Singapore.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Nov 5 2022, 07:58 PM)
I am sorry to burst anyone's bubble as Im being objective. I have never seen anything so remotely linked to reality. I wont ramble too much:

a) The main mast is without any radar and resembles the Indian Kolkata class ship with carries Israeli! Elta martime radar arrays.

b) It appears to have 2 127m BAE system cannons (yet a another calibre round in Indo navys diverse range of calibres). The 127mmm gun on the upper deck does not seem to make sense unless it is smaller - you need a lot of vertical and horizontal deck space for a gun that size.

c) Fantastically, the model shows more VLS than an arleigh burke destroyer with never seen before VLS designs - it looks like MICA in the front and why on earth do you waste so much deck space for a shorad?

I think these are Indo's own inputs which may or may not make sense.

It reminds of the mock-up of the so called stealth fighter from a non aircraft manufacturing company InfoGlobal which resembles the much maligned Iranian Qaher 313.

By the way, Oct has passed. What happened to the steel cutting of the Arrowhead FFBMW?
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Don't worry...everything will be postponed and eventually be cancelled.

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