Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil: "We sold 3 ANKA to Malaysia!"

And that is why Ive said it is someone's wet dream. They took the original Iver design and extended it and placed presumably weapon or sensor placements without specifying the make or consideration if the ship can take the weight, etc.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...d-white-frigate

This post has been edited by azriel: Nov 7 2022, 07:52 PM

Spoken like a True JHK.
So where is your calculations to proof that this design can't float?

Why do we keep getting news on the steel cutting again and again and often on x month and then another x month and the news refreshes itself?

The photo in the Janes article does not correspond with the model shown by PT PAL - see my post if they are proceed with the program.

I think even Janes has no idea what is going on

This post has been edited by Mai189: Nov 7 2022, 07:30 PM

Usually, 1+1=2 ah. But not in your case...

Oh no, this is just a discussion of military equipment. You said PT PAL's model "barely resembles reality", I'm showing you that your criticism barely resembles reality

If you had looked at the Martadina frigate you would realise that the gun on the model is based on its 76mm Oto Melara, and the VLS cell is the same as VL MICA. Furthermore if you had looked at examples of enclosed mast instead of integrated masts, you would have realised that it's possible that the model is depicting an enclosed mast which indeed need not have planar arrays if the radar it is enclosing is not that type.

Hence as you were ignorant of these points, your assessment was very far removed from reality.

I used Type 45 as an example because you seem unaware of the modern needs of warships for deeper VLS capacity. MICA is not a heavy missile, having a 56 cell farm in the bow of a 140 metre ship is not impossible. Though I think it is more likely to have 32 forward and 24 midships. Topweight is an issue but again a 140m ship is more stable than e.g. the Martadinata which you have fixated on, and if PT PAL shells out for lightweight mounts it is certainly doable. There are many considerations that go into a ship's missile and ammo capacity and stability is only one of them.

Hence your assessment of the ship's weapons fit is very far removed from reality.

Similarly the anti-missile role is about more than just bullets per second. There are more considerations in play that altogether makes the Italians quite satisfied with their 76mm anti-missile defence systems. The Indonesian Navy uses the Oto Melara 76mm gun system already, it makes sense to fit two of them if possible on a larger warship that can fit two.

Again, it's not outside the realm of possibility for an Indo-Russian missile like Brahmos can't be fit on a Western-type ship. If PT PAL knows the integration is doable within their budget, why not. It depends on the weapon system and the ship's systems.

Hence your assessment that this is totally impossible is very far removed from reality.

As for Hunter, it is not comparable with M113 in terms of complexity regardless of how many vehicles SG wants to acquire. Even so, your own data shows that 1000 M113s were acquired over a timeframe of 15 years. Singapore may eventually produce 1000 Hunters, why not. But it is highly improbable that Singapore produced 500 Hunters in the span of 4 years and even through the Covid19 disruption.

Basically just based on your own personal bias & racism lah.





This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Nov 7 2022, 09:24 PM

Read more: https://en.antaranews.com/news/259061/tni-a...ining-in-france

This post has been edited by azriel: Nov 8 2022, 05:46 PM

This post has been edited by azriel: Nov 8 2022, 05:52 PM

Read more: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...m-for-indonesia

Read more: https://pindad.com/pt-pindad-tandatangani-m...co-terkait-atgm

Keel Laying Ceremony of 2 Offshore Patrol Vessels for the Indonesian Navy at PT Daya Radar Utama Shipyard.





https://garudamiliter.blogspot.com/2022/11/...fshore.html?m=1

Looks like the design is heavily influenced by the SIGMA design, which is a good move, as Indonesia has the blueprints for both corvette and frigate SIGMA versions.

A little quirk on the keel laying ceremony. Same ship, but each has its own different designations.

The navy asked the budget for each OPV by 2 different budgetary methods. So they put out 2 proposals for budget with 2 different names, and both are approved.

Damn

and our air defence uses what?

only Jernas short range.

even ukraine has better air defence than ours.

That's because Ukraine air force is barely holding on fighting against Russian air force. Malaysia air force is more modern with Su-30 mkm and F-18. That's why Malaysia only buy SHORAD because we have combat aircraft to counter longer range air threats.