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Mai189
post Oct 30 2022, 05:18 PM

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New RSAF MPA incoming! To replace the Fokker 50 MPAs.

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The aircraft per se candidates are P8 Poseidon, IAI-Bombardier 6500 or more likely 7500 and a new contender, the Falcon 10X MPA.

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P8 - no need introduction

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https://defense.bombardier.com/en/aircraft/global-7500

Bombadier 7500 Special Mission aircraft

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Dassault Falcon 10X

A key consideration is that Sg wants control over the systems for her own modifications or mix and match systems. That is likely why Sg has not selected the P8 yet. Remember, it is not the platform but systems which matter more. Also, weapons do not need to be carried by the MPA per se but other shooters in a battle network e.g. a USV with torpedoes or F35 or F15SG carrying a QuickSink JDAM.




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post Oct 30 2022, 05:26 PM

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post Oct 30 2022, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 30 2022, 05:18 PM)


A key consideration is that Sg wants control over the systems for her own modifications or mix and match systems. That is likely why Sg has not selected the P8 yet. Remember, it is not the platform but systems which matter more. Also, weapons do not need to be carried by the MPA per se but other shooters in a battle network e.g. a USV with torpedoes or F35 or F15SG carrying a QuickSink JDAM.
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Basically SG could not continue to relies on the US solely anymore.
SG enter into an agreement with the US as a deterrence to it two nearest neighbour. But as geopolitics conditions change and the 2 bigger neighbors is more crucial to US interest and the fact that 2/3 of SG is ethnically Chinese which could put them at a very difficult situation.

If I'm a betting man, I say the IAI is the likely winner of the MPA tenders.
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post Oct 30 2022, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 30 2022, 05:27 PM)
Basically SG could not continue to relies on the US solely anymore.
SG enter into an agreement with the US as a deterrence to it two nearest neighbour. But as geopolitics conditions change and the 2 bigger neighbors is more crucial to US interest and the fact that 2/3 of SG is ethnically Chinese which could put them at a very difficult situation.

If I'm a betting man, I say the IAI is the likely winner of the MPA tenders.
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I have absolutely no idea what you are yapping about - most of the time; this time agreements against other nations and race. I think you are baiting.

Sg has never relied soley on the US for her systems. Sg has always mix and match for maximum utility and cost effectiveness.

I also think IAI's ELM-2022ES AESA MPA radar as the key sensor:



https://www.iai.co.il/sites/default/files/2...0Brochure_0.pdf

We need to separate the aircraft from the sensors though. The Bombardier and Falcon 10X can fly faster and higher than the Boeing 737. Whether this is important in the context of South East Asia is another matter for consideration e.g. it could be a P8 but with the ELM-2022 AESA radar instead of the US AN/APY-10. The ELM-2022 is said to have higher fidelity in littoral conditions with air-to-air surveillance function (mini AWAC).

Remember this:



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post Oct 30 2022, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 30 2022, 05:27 PM)
Basically SG could not continue to relies on the US solely anymore.
SG enter into an agreement with the US as a deterrence to it two nearest neighbour. But as geopolitics conditions change and the 2 bigger neighbors is more crucial to US interest and the fact that 2/3 of SG is ethnically Chinese which could put them at a very difficult situation.

If I'm a betting man, I say the IAI is the likely winner of the MPA tenders.
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These two bigger neighbours have direct interest and potential conflict in SCS with PRC, will need u.s more. Sg so far has been reliable and trustworthy as ally, unlike her northern neighbour.

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post Oct 30 2022, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 30 2022, 05:37 PM)
I also think IAI's ELM-2022ES AESA MPA radar as the key sensor:



https://www.iai.co.il/sites/default/files/2...0Brochure_0.pdf

We need to separate the aircraft from the sensors though. The Bombardier and Falcon 10X can fly faster and higher than the Boeing 737. Whether this is important in the context of South East Asia is another matter for consideration e.g. it could be a P8 but with the ELM-2022 AESA radar instead of the US AN/APY-10. The ELM-2022 is said to have higher fidelity in littoral conditions with air-to-air surveillance function (mini AWAC).

Remember this:


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See the belly under the Boeing 737:



The P8s An/APY-10 maritime radar is located at the nose cone of the Boeing 737 but there is a blind spot at the back. An option exists to fit in smaller An/APY-10 at the tail of the aircraft which was taken up by India(?). Hence, a belly mounted radar is preferable as there is no need for an additional one in the tail.

FYI, the USN's 7th fleet and RAN's P8s operate out of Singapore air bases and patrol the South China Sea (SCS). Whatever platform and systems SG select must be able to integrate or have interoperability with USN and RAN in case of contingencies in the SCS. SG has do to some heavy weight lifting for the time being in ensuring stability in SCS. Malaysia is stuck with ancient assets and Indo is a total mess when it comes to assets (old and a few new) and future procurement (Indonesia zoo - from all over the world and maybe from other planets soon) (provided it can get loans in the first place).

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 30 2022, 05:18 PM)
New RSAF MPA incoming! To replace the Fokker 50 MPAs.
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Likely replace by g-v class aircraft. System will be compatible with usn.

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post Oct 30 2022, 07:53 PM

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Dun worry, SG will never detect RMN invisible ships.
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post Oct 31 2022, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Oct 30 2022, 07:53 PM)
Dun worry, SG will never detect RMN invisible ships.
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The reason why ties between Sg-Msia is in the sewers at times is primarily due to Tun's narrative. He knows that he has done an enormous damage to Msia's security by instigating ill will and suspicions with other countries - at times with Indonesia; at times with Australia, many times with Sg, etc. I do not think Sg will arm itself to the extent it has without Tun's "support"; they'd rather hoard more wealth. Well done Tun!

Now, there is much to do to restore confidence and build trust between the 2 countries.

As it is, both sides (members of FPDA) are more than likely (and minus a demagogue like Tun) to work together than against one another. In Msia's case, Sg is the only country it can rely on to bring about near immediate and massive amount of military support which will make any country think twice about attacking Msia. It is no secret that Msia welcomes a strong Sg as a bulwark against invaders in the region - the question an invader will ask is - Will attacking Peninsula Msia trigger a response from Sg?

Too bad FPDA doesnt cover East Malaysia.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 30 2022, 06:58 PM)
Likely replace by g-v class aircraft. System will be compatible with usn.
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If it is IAI systems, they have tied up with Bombardier with their Global 6500 (then) (now there is the larger and latest 7500).

There seems to be a new possibility in the Falcon 10X too as the Franco-German MAWs is dead - timeline for the Falcon 10x deployment is about right too:


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The Falcon 10X, of which the size is ultimately equivalent to that of the ATL2 has a large cabin over 16 meters long, 2,8 meters wide and 2 meters high. It is sufficiently large enough to imagine the integration of a weapon bay. Navy pilots, who have long preferred turboprops for maritime patrol, requiring them to change altitude regularly and to be able to fly very close to the sea (ATL2s can descend up to 100 feet only), gradually learned, with the Falcon 50, to convert to jet engines


https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/the-e...-maws-programme

IAI is getting familiar with the Falcon 10X too:

https://www.asdnews.com/news/aerospace/2022...0x-business-jet

Both the Bombardier 7500 and Dassault Falcon 10x are large jets - about the length of a Boeing 737-300!

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Five Powers unite for Exercise Suman Protector

12 October 2022
More than 260 military personnel from Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, and the United Kingdom have deployed to Singapore for the latest iteration of Exercise Suman Protector.

30 Defence personnel will attend the nine-day Command Post Exercise (CPX), which builds on decades of cooperation under the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) and supports common security goals.

Australia’s Vice Chief of the Defence Force Vice Admiral David Johnston, AC, RAN, attended the exercise opening ceremony in Singapore and used the opportunity to emphasise the important contribution the FPDA makes to the region.

“The FPDA is an anchor for regional security and stability,” Vice Admiral Johnston said.

“It strengthens interoperability between our militaries and provides a recognised and well-rehearsed platform for partner nation cooperation, with a focus on high-end conventional warfighting.”

Vice Admiral Johnston said the ADF’s participation in Suman Protector continued Australia’s five decade-long commitment to the FPDA.

“The Suman series of command post exercises builds on Defence’s other contributions to the FPDA, including the Bersama series of field exercises, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief planning, and our other broader commitments including Rifle Company Butterworth,” he said.

https://news.defence.gov.au/media/media-rel...suman-protector

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post Oct 31 2022, 02:51 PM

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Lol The Aussies did their own video on Exercise Trident 2022.



Earlier vid by Sg's mindef:




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Nice recent pic of RSS Illustrious - 3rd submarine of RSN's Type218SG or belonging to the Invincible Class of submarines.

https://www.shipspotting.com/photos/3468149...ularDays&days=1



Singapore has ordered 4 Type 218SG AIP-equipped submarines which will operate with the 2 Archer Class AIP-equipped submarine.

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These submarines, along with the previously acquired Archer class, will replace Singapore’s Challenger-class submarines.


There was a report recently that a 5th Type 218SG submarine was ordered:

https://militaryleak.com/2021/12/28/german-...singapore-navy/

Speculation remains as to the status of the supposed 5th submarine. It has also been speculated that the 5th submarine refers to RSS Invincible itself i.e. export clearance. Interestingly, the Sg government has not clarified or deny this supposed acquisition. Note that the Sg government clarified that it did not buy the 2A7 version of the Leopard 2 tank when there were reports Sg bought it.

It is reported that the Type 218SG submarines will be able to carry a larger weapons payload consisting of torpedoes and cruise missiles (likely the locally produced Blue Spear land attack and anti-ship missile).

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The customised design is expected to be influenced by the export Type 214 submarine or Type 216 submarine. Features will include AIP and a combat system designed by both Atlas Elektronik and ST Electronics. The Invincible class also features an “X” rudder “which offers enhanced manoeuvrability in confined littoral waters, as opposed to the Type 214’s cruciform rudder arrangement.” The X rudder is used on the Type 212 submarine and its larger and newer derivative, the Dolphin 2-class submarine built for the Israeli Navy which is almost identical in size to the Invincible-class submarine (Israel and Singapore have extensive military ties and frequently procure the same weapon systems). They are believed to have Horizontal Multi-Purpose Airlock, which can be used to launch either torpedoes, divers, or special forces assault teams, and also have the capability to launch cruise-missiles while submerged[13] with an option for Vertical Multi-Purpose Airlock, for launching missile vertically, like the Tomahawk or Naval Strike Missile.


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anyone got a glimps of Fat Amy in Penang?

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 2 2022, 01:58 PM)
anyone got a glimps of Fat Amy in Penang?

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unfortunately I'm not there cry.gif

being in KL every Merdeka I get to see Su and Hornet
last time every August they fly practically outside my school window even biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 30 2022, 05:18 PM)

A key consideration is that Sg wants control over the systems for her own modifications or mix and match systems. That is likely why Sg has not selected the P8 yet. Remember, it is not the platform but systems which matter more. Also, weapons do not need to be carried by the MPA per se but other shooters in a battle network e.g. a USV with torpedoes or F35 or F15SG carrying a QuickSink JDAM.
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nah
more likely looking for budget option because P-8 is the gold-plated option of them all

QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 30 2022, 05:27 PM)
Basically SG could not continue to relies on the US solely anymore.
SG enter into an agreement with the US as a deterrence to it two nearest neighbour. But as geopolitics conditions change and the 2 bigger neighbors is more crucial to US interest and the fact that 2/3 of SG is ethnically Chinese which could put them at a very difficult situation.
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nah
SG-US ties are strengthening even more actually
saying there's an ethnic connection is like saying US and Africa abang adik because ramai blacks in US
lmao
total retard link
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Looks like PT Pindad to license the Arquus VAB MK3 and designated it as the Pindad Anoa 3. Credit to Lembaga Keris.

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 2 2022, 05:24 PM)
unfortunately I'm not there cry.gif

being in KL every Merdeka I get to see Su and Hornet
last time every August they fly practically outside my school window even biggrin.gif
nah
more likely looking for budget option because P-8 is the gold-plated option of them all
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SG-US ties are strengthening even more actually
saying there's an ethnic connection is like saying US and Africa abang adik because ramai blacks in US
lmao
total retard link
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if the OZ have a sortie in Kuantan Base I'll try to get or asked someone to get 1 sexy picture of amy for you laugh.gif
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FNSS and PT Pindad to joint produce the ZAHA MAV for the Indonesian Marine Corps.


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 2 2022, 07:54 PM)
if the OZ have a sortie in Kuantan Base I'll try to get or asked someone to get 1 sexy picture of amy for you  laugh.gif
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appreciated, but don't do it just for me babe
I'm not that young to go chasing hot curvy babes that break the sound barrier any more cry.gif
(maybe about twenty-five years ago biggrin.gif )
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 2 2022, 08:22 PM)
appreciated, but don't do it just for me babe
I'm not that young to go chasing hot curvy babes that break the sound barrier any more cry.gif
(maybe about twenty-five years ago biggrin.gif )
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