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Medufsaid
post Aug 31 2024, 02:09 PM

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terriblyrawtea can follow this strategy. This is my calculation if you do monthly RM1k DCA into s&p500
QUOTE(Medufsaid @ May 31 2024, 08:23 AM)
my strategy is to buy USA etfs using recurring investment, then once a year, liquidate that ETF and buy CSPX

Month Action Fees
Jan buy USA etf $0.35
Feb buy USA etf $0.35
Mar buy USA etf $0.35 + $0.34 (34 cents because your money in USA etf so additional 15% deduction)
Apr buy USA etf $0.35
May buy USA etf $0.35
Jun buy USA etf $0.35 + $0.68 (you have twice as much money now)
Jul buy USA etf $0.35
Aug buy USA etf $0.35
Sep buy USA etf $0.35 + $1.02
Oct buy USA etf $0.35
Nov buy USA etf $0.35
Dec
  • buy USA etf
  • sell USA etf & buy LSE etf (we'll do double work to utilise the free conversion fees of recurring investment)
  • $0.35
  • $0.35 + $1.91
Total fees $8.50

buying purely LSE will cost you $20.40 yearly. the difference is only $11.90 or RM55.93.
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post Aug 31 2024, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Aug 31 2024, 02:09 PM)
terriblyrawtea can follow this strategy. This is my calculation if you do monthly RM1k DCA into s&p500
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post Sep 3 2024, 12:53 PM

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one question, anyone heard of SPYL over CSPX? seems quite popular in SG and i understand that the value of the share itself is irrelevant when fractional trading - but seems the expense ratio is lower and may be more cost effective in the long term. appreciate it thanks!
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post Sep 3 2024, 01:00 PM

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terriblyrawtea they reported more expensive fees as it's listed in Switzerland. you may try to route it through LSE in IBKR workstation

and actually, someone found out that CSPX underperforms IVV. so it might be better to just invest in usa-domiciled ETF despite the extra WHT https://portfolioslab.com/tools/stock-comparison/CSPX.L/IVV. my initial idea was that both will perform equally, now it seems like penny wise pound foolish to save 0.19% annually in WHT when IVV outperforms more than that

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post Sep 3 2024, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 3 2024, 01:00 PM)
terriblyrawtea they reported more expensive fees as it's listed in Switzerland. you may try to route it through LSE in IBKR workstation

and actually, someone found out that CSPX underperforms IVV. so it might be better to just invest in usa-domiciled ETF despite the extra WHT https://portfolioslab.com/tools/stock-comparison/CSPX.L/IVV. my initial idea was that both will perform equally, now it seems like penny wise pound foolish to save 0.19% annually in WHT when IVV outperforms more than that
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Could it be that CSPX has 15% WHT on its accummulating Dividend handling whereas IVV dividend payouts are assumed to be 100% re-invested for US tax residents ?

CSPX has an advantage of not subject to US estate tax (especially for non US tax residents with > USD60K U.S. Situs Asset), but it has much smaller fund size & average trading volume.


US Estate Tax :

https://www.privatebanking.hsbc.com/wih/wea...state-tax-risk/


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post Sep 3 2024, 08:19 PM

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leo2010 S&P500 annual dividend is roughly 1.5%. that's 0.19-0.225% of gap.

IVV 19.39% vs CSPX 17.85% is 1.54% difference. that cannot be explained away by the extra 0.19-0.225% WHT
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post Sep 3 2024, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 3 2024, 08:19 PM)
leo2010 S&P500 annual dividend is roughly 1.5%. that's 0.19-0.225% of gap.

IVV 19.39% vs CSPX 17.85% is 1.54% difference. that cannot be explained away by the extra 0.19-0.225% WHT
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@Medufsaid, I believe you are comparing YTD performance gap.

Looking at 1yr performance, it's 25.52% vs. 26.79%. A gap of 1.27%.

TTM Dividends is IVV @ 1.27% whereas CSPX has not paid any dividends TTM.

I am also trying to figure out what contributes to such a performance gap since both track the same index ..


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post Sep 3 2024, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(leo2010 @ Sep 3 2024, 10:06 PM)
@Medufsaid, I believe you are comparing YTD performance gap.

Looking at 1yr performance, it's 25.52% vs. 26.79%. A gap of 1.27%.

TTM Dividends is IVV @ 1.27%  whereas CSPX has not paid any dividends TTM.

I am also trying to figure out what contributes to such a performance gap since both track the same index ..
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Interesting discussion. My 2 cents IMHO.

According to ishares.com, IVV is up 18.29% YTD (as of Aug 29, 2024) while CSPX is up 19.31% YTD (as of Sep 2, 2024). Even after adding the 2 IVV dividends totaling $3.27 so far this year, I can't see how portfolioslab.com arrived at 19.39% for IVV.

CSPX: https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/pr...ts-etf-acc-fund
IVV: https://www.ishares.com/us/products/239726/...core-sp-500-etf

There's probably nothing to be concerned about. ETFs with 15% withholding tax (CSPX and VUAA) should do just as well if not better than ETFs with 30% withholding tax (IVV and VOO).

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FT Corporate governance

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post Oct 31 2024, 10:18 PM

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post Nov 1 2024, 04:13 PM

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FT Opinion Skin in the Game

Should you ever buy a stock index at a record high?
It feels so wrong, but investors (me included) needn’t worry so much

by Stuart Kirk (3 hours ago)

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Thankfully, RBC Global Asset Management has crunched the data so I didn’t have to catch a train to the office to use Bloomberg. Over any five-year period since 1950, the numbers show, “buy at the top” returns only trail the returns from indiscriminate buying by one percentage point.

More amazing is how infrequently US share prices collapsed after reaching one of those 1,250-odd peaks. Five years on, for example, investors who bought at any top were never down more than 10 per cent on average. One year on, the probability of losing a tenth of your money was just 9 per cent.

In other words, don’t fear the highs. Share prices soon recover. Indeed a huge chunk of all global equity returns come from rebound days — as I’ve written previously — which tend to closely follow sell-offs. Miss these by trying to be clever and you’re screwed.

But professional investors are paid to be clever. On Monday, a version of the Vix index which measures implied volatility using options that expire in nine days, rose above the version that references 30-day options. This is very rare because usually more time passing equals more risk.

Clearly some investors reckon November 5 will be a total hit show, as they say. By that logic, though, I should also ditch my other equity ETFs ahead of the US vote, as they would invariably follow the S&P 500 south.

Indeed, I recently mulled being 100 per cent invested in cash for a week or two just in case. If the UK Budget or presidential election or whatever in the Middle East turned out better than expected, I could buy back in with limited opportunity cost.

Why didn’t I? A chaotic US poll has been pondered for so long that surely some madness is already in the price. And one of the main reasons I only own equity markets that are unequivocally cheap is because they are more defensive.

That means while I have less fun when riskier assets are partying like mad, the likes of Japan, Asia and the UK should fare better if Washington voms. The analysis above, however, suggests I should buy US shares regardless.
The RBC data can be accessed here: https://www.rbcgam.com/en/ca/learn-plan/inv...me-highs/detail
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post Nov 3 2024, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Aug 31 2024, 02:09 PM)
terriblyrawtea can follow this strategy. This is my calculation if you do monthly RM1k DCA into s&p500
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Are the fees still the same? Do you set up your recurring transfer via SG bank or MY bank with WISE?
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post Nov 3 2024, 11:02 PM

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i have come across the JEPQ vs JEPI anyone holding this because i think will be a good alternative to SCHD.

but WHT is killing JEPQ also. like alot.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Nov 3 2024, 11:02 PM)
i have come across the JEPQ vs JEPI anyone holding this because i think will be a good alternative to SCHD.

but WHT is killing JEPQ also. like alot.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/dividends/comments...valent_to_schd/ ok to try out LSE etf? VHYL

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post Nov 5 2024, 12:09 AM

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FT Alphaville | Passive Investing

Slaying some of the biggest passive investing bogeymen
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post May 10 2025, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 10 2025, 09:29 AM)
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post May 10 2025, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ May 10 2025, 04:04 PM)
Good job on your 2024 research
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oh u saw that? haha

you can update your response (same google form link) since the last one was 2020.

good to see rising interest of passive investors in Malaysia
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post May 10 2025, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 10 2025, 09:29 AM)
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Done.

One of the question stumped me..I have passive, active funds and individual stocks in my portfolio. The question didnt allow me to choose all three.

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 10 2025, 08:07 PM)
Done.

One of the question stumped me..I have passive, active funds and individual stocks in my portfolio. The question didnt allow me to choose all three.
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yes i realise there are investors with balanced approach. Just that due to my study follows the typical active-passive classification, respondents might need to take a position that best describe their investment style.

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