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ZeneticX
post Aug 18 2022, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 18 2022, 05:38 PM)
Anyone think if honda malaysia will bring in ehev version honda civic?
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i believe its just a matter of time

they already have City RS and HRV RS running the eHEV powertrain

by bringing in the Civic eHEV, HM have a chance to position it as the high end model and add in features that are missing from current RS (eg: full digital cluster, wireless charger, key card etc)

it will be on its own league as well since we currently dont have a C segment hybrid sedan (another potential competitor is Corolla Hybrid)

pricing will probably be in the 160 - 170k+ range judging from Thailand price and our current 1.5T RS price. That's assuming if they CKD it

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post Aug 18 2022, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 18 2022, 06:29 PM)
Tat range is like D seg price, but yeah if they bring in i would be happy. This is real proper powerful ev motor la compare to hrv and city one. The motor itself horsepower same like 1.5T liao. SA got hint say potential la but nothing solid.
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where still can find D segment for 160 - 170k+ biggrin.gif D segment standard nowadays is 200k+ liao
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post Aug 18 2022, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 18 2022, 06:46 PM)
True also, apologies for stuck in 2010s lol. If is hybrid then can save alot because i think fuel subsidies will be remove soon la, definitely for t20 lol. So if the car fuel efficiency high then it will be real save then. Like city rs vs v 1 tank extra for hybrid.

then resale value is another thing to think, if let say 5years later wan sell, maybe petrol version will fetch higher price. But if EV adoption pick up, i believe hybrid will also depreciate less la. Nowadays li-ion batt quite reliable. Now buy car like at crossroad lol.
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instead of the battery I will be more concerned with the mechanicals in the i-MMD system. particularly the clutch that connects the petrol engine to the electric motor

hopefully adoption of City and HRV RS in Msia picks up then we will get a clearer picture of the reliability
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post Sep 6 2022, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 5 2022, 09:38 AM)
hmm i have driven my sis's 2.0 Mazda CX5, and the transmission would be similar, if not same.
it wasn't too bad but yes i was on manual mode. my expectations were lowered considering being an enthusiast and i have experienced in DCT/BMW ZF8 so anything out of those are up for disappointment. that said, the 86 BRZ Aisin manual/sport modes aren't too bad. SkyActiv auto is just a tad below even further, and thus i wasn't particularly disappointed considering the expectations were managed.

overtaking part, yes, you're hooked on EZ power aka turbo lol.
+ the FE turbo (and CVT drive train combo) is a LOT more matured compared to FC. hence, you're probably spoiled by it lol. it is surprisingly smooth upon first few drives upon car delivery (i have not test driven the car and wife committed the purchase based on our experiences on the FC) and the gear ratios were properly managed (when to down shift, when to hold revs etc). shifting downwards to S makes this experience a LOT better especially past the first service where revs are definitely held >2k RPM and the turbo is fully spooled at peak torque. SO EASY and it even makes my 2.0NA sports car pale in comparison (it still has more power and overall delivery, but you got to WORK FOR IT. a manual ups that difficulty further and mistakes [human errors] can be very punishing!)

that is very surprising on the suspensions and cornering considering the hype and feedback from Mazda 3 owners.
i personally do not agree that the cornering capability of a car is solely determined whether it is on multi link/double A wishbones (i am looking at you TNGA, somemore not full double a yet marketed as double a wishbones LOL), or even torsion beams (Mazda marketing it as a good thing when it is all about cutting cost/making rear space not as bad as it is already, but yes, feel free for Renault Megane references lol)

and to see an owner of both cars giving a new perspective on feedback is indeed refreshing if not surprising.

are you able to elaborate further on this?
any good twisties tested between cars? (Touge towards Genting? i am assuming SIC is not in the menu lol)
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The Corolla is still no slouch when it comes to handling. You should try it around the twisties like Genting if you have the chance. You will definitely curse the engine though


QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Sep 5 2022, 02:07 PM)
This, standby rm400-600 for valve carbon deposit at shop
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 5 2022, 02:11 PM)
Don't really need la
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I think an oil catch can will be a better investment for direct injection engines

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Hopefully none of the cars are for you guys here.... but still sucks for the owners


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QUOTE(daidragon12 @ Sep 23 2022, 11:46 PM)
Hello sifu,

Just wondering what is this problem. At speed above 80, when i turn to the right, the steering feels like it “slipped”. Unsure how to describe this but instead of smooth turning,the steering moves quickly to the right.

Mentioned to SC during 10k service but they didnt detect any issue.
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The infamous CKD Honda steering rack issue?
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post Sep 25 2022, 04:35 PM

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Full detailed specification of Civic eHEV on Honda Thailand website

https://www.honda.co.th/en/civic/specification

Interesting thing to note.... the 2.0L direct injection engine have a very high compression ratio of 13.9:1. In comparison, Mazda's Skyactiv G 2.0 engine have a compression ratio of 13:1
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post Sep 27 2022, 07:25 PM

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Matt Watson reviews the Civic finally


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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Sep 27 2022, 07:31 PM)
this is eHEV with shift by wire which i believe we wont be able to see in malaysia (thailand eHEV doesnt have shift by wire).
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only the gear selector is different. the drivetrain is pretty much the same though the 2.0L ICE in the eHEV system in Thailand have a different engine code. Maybe its for different fuel / emission standards.

if you ask me, I prefer the traditional gear selector, less headaches down the line. though the shift by wire definitely looks cooler
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post Oct 2 2022, 11:19 PM

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look at how it 'shifts' lol



not a true AT or DCT..... but better than a CVT I guess?
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post Oct 4 2022, 02:40 PM

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If HM gonna just bring in Thai spec eHEV EL+ and slot it above Turbo RS.... doesnt actually make sense to me. So far all eHEV models in Msia (City and HRV) are RS spec

Bringing in the Civic eHEV and pairing it with lower spec just seems to undermine the model a bit despite it coming with the more powerful powertrain

And really if still no full digital cockpit.... its gonna be in the facelift already. I'll just keep waiting (so hard to add this in meh? Thai, Indon, Phillipines and Vietnam can do it why can't we? We are also one of Honda's largest market in SEA)

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 4 2022, 02:54 PM)
it make sense, since ehev is more complex, and more cost (batteries etc, and hybrids doesn't seem to get the same incentives as pure EVs)
i guess you can go RS eHEV, above RS Turbo both continued to be offered, or just keep RS eHEV and decom RS Turbo

and to correct - eHEV is definitely NOT more powerful than turbo.
despite the paper specs and combined power trains added up power figures and again, EV 0-100 awesome paper specs.
EV component is a huge variable with many conditions and what ifs.
you want motorsports, then turbo is still having a very strong foot hold /firm vice grip over electric power train.

that said, you do get quicker ~0.5 second 0-100 kph when the battery is well charged and ready to go, and you do get battery instant torque from stop-go's, at the cost of more weight (even more so than that compact turbocharger that i already bitch about lol) and a weaker 2.0 NA that's Atkinson cycle based and an "even more fake" eCVT.
that's why it gets a weaker top end and top speed as it was never meant for that application. it'll win on city/urban driving and of course fuel conservation which the downsized turbo civic pales in comparison.

ultimately, it depends on what you want.
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Valid points

The battery pack will definitely add more weight to the car but since its placed below the rear passenger seat, I'm thinking it might help a bit on the weight distribution of the car. So the eHEV Civic might end up better to handle and more composed on the road? Just speculation without hands on testing

Also the fake 'eCVT' might also be better than the standard CVT since its technically not a transmission, the engine and motor infront drives the front wheel directly (you can say kinda similar to Koenigsegg's direct drive technology), so probably less power loss there? Again probably just my arm chair engineer mind speaking here.


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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 4 2022, 03:11 PM)
due to tax, the hybrid sure gets an advantage from it? so if yes, maybe same or slightly increase price from RS but plenty more features that miss on RS
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Dont think hybrids still get any tax insentives, only full EVs now

But some banks like RHB offer something called Green loans nowadays. U get lower interest rate for hybrid and EVs
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 4 2022, 03:29 PM)
hahaha noooooo you think honda too up la.
you need to factor in rear passenger seat space, fuel tank and also rear luggage space.

yeah you may think the battery's weight at the rear would help a bit on weight distribution, but the additional components in the front, and electric motors strictly being in the front, completely negates whatever benefit provided by the rear battery location (in addition to eating up rear passenger/boot space.
and again, i don't care if you achieve 50:50, added weight is still added weight.
assuming all else being equal (power/power to weight ratio/suspensions etc etc) a much lighter 60:40 car will always be better than a much heavier 50:50 car.
EV and motorsports and ride and handling is still very far fetch and currently, only off set by more premium /luxury engineering and components (read: rich man toy)

if you say standard cvt is not a transmission, electric motor stepping eCVT is even far fetched from being a transmission.

nooooo this is FAR from Koenigsegg 's direct drive LOL
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineerin...hout-a-gearbox/
this thing literally have no gear box, no transmission. not your idea of how "CVT is not a transmission" (lol... that's a bit snobbish if you ask me assuming you REALLY hate CVT)


linked you many resources from non arm chair engineers so you will be less of an arm chair engineer. (no i'm not an engineer by any means, just passionate in automotive/motorsports.
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I think you misunderstood my sentence. I'm saying 'eCVT' is not a transmission, not the standard CVT
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QUOTE(vkashin @ Oct 13 2022, 11:40 AM)
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Seems like we’re getting the full spec RS hybrid
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Now we are talking Honda Msia

Honestly i didn't expect the launch to take place so soon

I was expecting next year at least (not really ready to get a new car atm)

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 13 2022, 12:24 PM)
Shit 18inch, mean is full RS, 170k? My SA also told me.

SA say around 160k, if this price straight on lo for civic ehev. But now dunno how cx30 also in my mind, because road in brunei really not so good, worry 18inch rim go pothole later KO the rim. And alot uneven road also.

Only if they spec hrv better abit *angry*
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I'm in the same spot as you

Either Civic eHev or CX30 for me. Same reason as you if I were to choose the CX30. But I'm in KL lah tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 13 2022, 02:11 PM)
haha cx30 features actually less la, and less powerful. personally really like ehev due to the newer and greener tech, don really care about resale value lol. Another thing is, at my place here the mazda SC really suck la. but anyway i already swap my booking from HRV RS to civic ehev, now is dunno which color lol. white or grey, damn hard to choose. the blue emblem looks good on white tho.

actually i sat on previous gen civic, my fren lan=jak like mad go thru pothole also no much feel lol. so i think just go with heart la.

btw the key card, means no more remote start or boot open button? lol
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I think the normal remote will still be included. The keycard is just like a temporary replacement for your actual remote in some cases where you feel bringing the remote is a hassle. Or for valet purposes.

I'm also fond towards CX30 due to its design and its ride height. Heard many stories that the low height of Civic can be a bit bothersome for elder people or people with back problems.... last thing is it has a hatch. I always find a hatch more practical than a traditional boot
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 13 2022, 02:18 PM)
yeah i think honda malaysia nailed it on the specs for eHEV. probably some incentives due to being hybrid?
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Hybrid no more incentives already iinm. Incentives only for full EV.

But you can make use of it being a hybrid and apply for Green loan for lower interest rate. RHB is one bank that offers this
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 13 2022, 02:26 PM)
i see, i have seen CX30, actually the ride height is not too much higher, similar like corrolla cross. maybe an inch higher than civic FE? yeah but some ppl do said that there are ways to get out of the car, u just need to move two of ur leg to the side and stand up, this is for those with weak leg la.

Agreed with you also on the hatch, but if really wan space for transport stuff, perhaps hrv is the best la, nothing can beat ultraseats lol. but it does make the chair looks abit cheap and less premium.
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Not fond of HRV because of the CRT TV tongue.gif same goes to Corolla Cross

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 13 2022, 02:27 PM)
i mean perhaps some parts can be cheaper to import etc like battery or so, not sure la i not working in kastam lol.

another thing is if next year got GST back, maybe good time to get car now. GST definitely higher than SST one lol.
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If that really happens...... the best time is actually before its implemented because cars will go consumer tax free. Like what happened during 2018 when we transition from GST to SST

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I guess Honda Msia kinda cancelled launching the new BRV here altogether since based on previous news when Honda outlined their plan for 2022, BRV is supposed to be the final model to launch this year

They probably realised Alza basically killed the whole market

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