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post Oct 27 2021, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 27 2021, 01:57 PM)
I also do not know why they are different.  They should sound same because producer  use same source & same format.  But funny thing  we can easily hear different form this 2 version MV.
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is there any chance both the videos not using the same soundtrack?
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post Oct 27 2021, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 26 2021, 07:59 PM)
Haiz... 4k 55 also cab give good picture. Play better sources!!
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QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 27 2021, 10:28 AM)
I think big different is Hdr and Sdr (10bit color vs 8bit color).  I can differentiate 720P & 1080p in my 65 inch led  tv.  But 1080p &  4k sdr ,  I  can not see different from my 9ft viewing distance. But 1080P & 4k sdr ,  their  sound density  is difference  a bit even  same sound track. Especially Music show ,  I prefer 4k sound more dynamic more density. Maybe Video bit-rate increase will affect the sound.
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Not all movies have 4K sources. New ones from Hollywood yes, Netflix also but I also watch Hongkie movies a lot. So I don’t want to discriminate 😂

Of course 4K is better that’s for sure. Maybe it’s just me 720p and 1080p looks about the same or it could just be my sitting distance and TV size makes it immaterial between the 2. If my TV bigger or if my sitting position is nearer I guess they make a difference

QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 27 2021, 01:57 PM)
I also do not know why they are different.  They should sound same because producer  use same source & same format.  But funny thing  we can easily hear different form this 2 version MV.
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Ain’t both just difference in picture quality?
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post Oct 27 2021, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 27 2021, 03:00 PM)
is there any chance both the videos not using the same soundtrack?
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I don't think they will use different soundtrack. They only focus to promote 4k HDR picture quality better than 4k sdr. Never mention about the sound quality. This singer other song still using sdr only. I guess video bit-rate increase will affect sound quality indirectly. Any music video at youtube , if i change the resolution from highest 1080p to lower 480p . The sound quality also will become poorer than higher resolution

This post has been edited by kkthen: Oct 27 2021, 04:58 PM
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post Oct 28 2021, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Jjoottt @ Oct 27 2021, 03:03 PM)
Not all movies have 4K sources. New ones from Hollywood  yes, Netflix also but I also watch Hongkie movies a lot. So I don’t want to discriminate 😂
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a lot of old popular english ones remastered to 4k.

chinese ones incl big hits, very rare.
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post Nov 17 2021, 09:22 AM

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ok something weird happen when I was trying to watch Shang chi on this new zidoo

tested last week with a surcode file, no audio from truehd
try switching to 5.1, crackling sound

delete file and tried with new file with 3 audio, truehd, dtshdma and 5.1
same issue pertain, both HD sound not working

check audio settings, tried other files, no issue
then I turn off the DV function, no conversion of video, as is

then everything back to normal

is this because of my chapalang hdmi cable or wat? bandwidth too high? stuck ?
connection is zidoo > soundbar > teebee
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post Nov 17 2021, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 17 2021, 09:22 AM)
ok something weird happen when I was trying to watch Shang chi on this new zidoo

tested last week with a surcode file, no audio from truehd
try switching to 5.1, crackling sound

delete file and tried with new file with 3 audio, truehd, dtshdma and 5.1
same issue pertain, both HD sound not working

check audio settings, tried other files, no issue
then I turn off the DV function, no conversion of video, as is

then everything back to normal

is this because of my chapalang hdmi cable or wat? bandwidth too high? stuck ?
connection is zidoo > soundbar > teebee
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if the file is a DV one, possible it is acting up with yr zidoo.

try same title but HDR10 files, not DV, see if problem persist.

also try same HDR10 (not DV) with Q10pro, see what results.

my eqpt cannot handle DV, so i dun use them.

but for HDR10, all files with DD+, TrueHD, atmos, DTSX work well on Q10pro and Q30 - no complaints.
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post Nov 17 2021, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 17 2021, 09:37 AM)
if the file is a DV one, possible it is acting up with yr zidoo.

try same title but HDR10 files, not DV, see if problem persist.

also try same HDR10 (not DV) with Q10pro, see what results.

my eqpt cannot handle DV, so i dun use them.

but for HDR10, all files with DD+, TrueHD, atmos, DTSX work well on Q10pro and Q30 - no complaints.
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just check, 10 bit sdr file

don't think I have any DV files, but this thing can convert to DV if I choose to

1st time I encounter such issues, so not hdmi cable problem?
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post Nov 17 2021, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 17 2021, 09:37 AM)
if the file is a DV one, possible it is acting up with yr zidoo.

try same title but HDR10 files, not DV, see if problem persist.

also try same HDR10 (not DV) with Q10pro, see what results.

my eqpt cannot handle DV, so i dun use them.

but for HDR10, all files with DD+, TrueHD, atmos, DTSX work well on Q10pro and Q30 - no complaints.
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that means zidoo too weak?
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post Nov 17 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 17 2021, 09:51 AM)
just check, 10 bit sdr file

don't think I have any DV files, but this thing can convert to DV if I choose to

1st time I encounter such issues, so not hdmi cable problem?
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I hv not come across such issues with hdmi cable.

More likely the file was not well made, happens all the time.

Or something not right with player codec/firmware.

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Nov 17 2021, 11:23 AM)
that means zidoo too weak?
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If the player codec and firmware been tested well, in market for some time, unlikely the problem.

File problem more likely.
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post Nov 17 2021, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 17 2021, 03:16 PM)
I hv not come across such issues with hdmi cable.

More likely the file was not well made, happens all the time.

Or something not right with player codec/firmware.
If the player codec and firmware been tested well, in market for some time, unlikely the problem.

File problem more likely.
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I have tried 2 diff files, both has such issues if I play with DV engine
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post Nov 17 2021, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 17 2021, 04:10 PM)
I have tried 2 diff files, both has such issues if I play with DV engine
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u had mentioned:

just check, 10 bit sdr file
then I turn off the DV function, no conversion of video, as is


think it just mean the the module to convert from non-DV to DV isn't working well.

probably more so if u try SDR->DV which is like HDR12.

can try HDR10->DV, see it it works better.

i wud think it's asking too much to try to get DV with SDR videos... like upscaling 720p to 2160p, can't be good.
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post Nov 18 2021, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 17 2021, 05:44 PM)
u had mentioned:

just check, 10 bit sdr file
then I turn off the DV function, no conversion of video, as is


think it just mean the the module to convert from non-DV to DV isn't working well.

probably more so if u try SDR->DV which is like HDR12.

can try HDR10->DV, see it it works better.

i wud think it's asking too much to try to get DV with SDR videos... like upscaling 720p to 2160p, can't be good.
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shifu I really dunno how it works hahahaha

but this zidoo is suppose to work tat way, kasi convert to DV

nvm, I weekend if free I try again with another hdmi cable tat comes with the zidoo
lets see is it bandwidth issue or what not
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post Nov 21 2021, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 17 2021, 09:22 AM)
ok something weird happen when I was trying to watch Shang chi on this new zidoo

tested last week with a surcode file, no audio from truehd
try switching to 5.1, crackling sound

delete file and tried with new file with 3 audio, truehd, dtshdma and 5.1
same issue pertain, both HD sound not working

check audio settings, tried other files, no issue
then I turn off the DV function, no conversion of video, as is

then everything back to normal

is this because of my chapalang hdmi cable or wat? bandwidth too high? stuck ?
connection is zidoo > soundbar > teebee
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I havent try Shang Chi....

So far the rest of file no issue on my zidoo, most of my 1080p able to convert by VS10 to DV.... previously stuttering due to bug in firmware when play through NAS.

Which firmware version u r using now?

This post has been edited by cyclone2: Nov 21 2021, 12:27 PM
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post Nov 22 2021, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ Nov 21 2021, 12:26 PM)
I havent try Shang Chi....

So far the rest of file no issue on my zidoo, most of my 1080p able to convert by VS10 to DV.... previously stuttering due to bug in firmware when play through NAS.

Which firmware version u r using now?
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hi boss

not too sure, but when I had the issue, I go check fw update, it did says fw is up to date

u free u go try Shang chi

which option u chose? all to DV? or only HDR, sdr, 8 bit 10 bit to DV
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 22 2021, 08:41 AM)
hi boss

not too sure, but when I had the issue, I go check fw update, it did says fw is up to date

u free u go try Shang chi

which option u chose? all to DV? or only HDR, sdr, 8 bit 10 bit to DV
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Cant remembered wat option i choose..... recently quite bz.... maybe this weekend will try out then let u know
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post Nov 27 2021, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 22 2021, 08:41 AM)
hi boss

not too sure, but when I had the issue, I go check fw update, it did says fw is up to date

u free u go try Shang chi

which option u chose? all to DV? or only HDR, sdr, 8 bit 10 bit to DV
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I'm using the last 2nd option. So far tested Shang Chi no issue.... but dont know is it coz mkv file, the sound seem not impressive.....


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post Nov 30 2021, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ Nov 27 2021, 02:59 PM)
I'm using the last 2nd option. So far tested Shang Chi no issue.... but dont know is it coz mkv file, the sound seem not impressive.....
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I think got a lot of complains on Shang chi audio

only 2.1 sounds ok I think hahaha
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post Nov 30 2021, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 30 2021, 09:28 AM)
I think got a lot of complains on Shang chi audio

only 2.1 sounds ok I think hahaha
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hahah.... I thought is my HT prob.... doh.gif doh.gif

even the Disney+ Hotstar with 5.1 also not good.....
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post Dec 7 2021, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 30 2021, 09:28 AM)
I think got a lot of complains on Shang chi audio

only 2.1 sounds ok I think hahaha
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try dune bdmv 4k atmos.

if not happy, sure yr ears need deep cleaning. laugh.gif

QUOTE(cyclone2 @ Nov 30 2021, 12:18 PM)

wanna check with u... yr zidoo z1000pro... what were the considerations when comparing against z10pro?

pretty similar, right?

year end, new year... considering getting something new... jolted by the new dune hd real vision 4k:
https://h-m-entertainment.com/dune-hd-real-vision-4k-review

against a more mature z9x, this dune is priced higher and perhaps performance half a notch lower due to it being so late in the game.

comments, anyone? biggrin.gif

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post Dec 8 2021, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 7 2021, 06:29 PM)
try dune bdmv 4k atmos.

if not happy, sure yr ears need deep cleaning. laugh.gif

QUOTE(cyclone2 @ Nov 30 2021, 12:18 PM)

wanna check with u... yr zidoo z1000pro... what were the considerations when comparing against z10pro?

pretty similar, right?

year end, new year... considering getting something new... jolted by the new dune hd real vision 4k:
https://h-m-entertainment.com/dune-hd-real-vision-4k-review

against a more mature z9x, this dune is priced higher and perhaps performance half a notch lower due to it being so late in the game.

comments, anyone? biggrin.gif
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haha... i cant find the ahem version yet....

hmm... in fact i didnt really compare with Z10Pro, but with Z9X, I'm more towards the Z1000 pro due to the chassis design is similar to my previous DUNE HD Base 3.0 media player.

This post has been edited by cyclone2: Dec 8 2021, 12:12 AM

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