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 Dog Kibbles (Discussion), Which brand do you feed your furkid?

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post Sep 28 2007, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(won @ Sep 28 2007, 01:57 PM)
Ooh, you have the watery poo problem too? I thought only Crazymouse's chelsea and my GR has it only - but mine is just very soft (lembik)  laugh.gif
Other than that, I am actually ok with it.

I am now trying Innova for my GR. Same company but the poo is firm compare with CN.

I used to give Nutriedge to my GR too. His fur has great and he loves it. However, I stop giving him since I discover one of the packet I bought grow worm very fast.  shakehead.gif
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Grow worm very fast?? it that the flies egg worm... yes my GR like it very much also after this pack now he don even bother look at it . like hunger strike sweat.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(BigBen @ Sep 28 2007, 02:10 PM)
Grow worm very fast?? it that the flies egg worm...  yes my GR like it very much also after this pack now he don even bother look at it .  like hunger strike sweat.gif
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No idea what worm - white/grey in colour and quite fat one. One morning, I just open the food plastic container and saw them crawling around inside.
I freak out, pick up the whole plastic container and empty everything inside the dustbin.
Gave me nightmare after looking at it wacko.gif The worst thing is I just fed my GR the same thing yesterday. Luckily he didn't get sick or anything. dry.gif Haven't buy Nutriedge again after that.
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post Sep 28 2007, 02:33 PM

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Hi Won ... how old your GR? and how the weight kg? my GR is going 9 mth and 25kg
U mean worm direct from the plastic container ... cannot be it a dry food how come got worm maybe the container is wet la...
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post Sep 28 2007, 02:45 PM

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isn't the problem with RC being what goes into it as opposed to how expensive it is?
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post Sep 28 2007, 02:49 PM

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My GR just turn 1 year old. He is about 28.8kg. smile.gif

The plastic container (with lid) is where we usually store his kibbles.
It should not be wet and there are lots of worm crawling around the kibbles when i open it. unsure.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 28 2007, 02:45 PM)
isn't the problem with RC being what goes into it as opposed to how expensive it is?
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Hi madmoz
i just bought the RC 15kg pack RM160 maxi junior 32.... well i found the pricing for all brand almost the same, i buy 15 kg pack Nutri Edge RM156. but RC food volume less by quarter compare brand..
if u buy smaller volume like i bought for my JRT 3kg cost me RM64.. this expensive..
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post Sep 28 2007, 03:52 PM

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Anyone try Biljac' ?
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post Sep 28 2007, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(won @ Sep 28 2007, 02:49 PM)
My GR just turn 1 year old. He is about 28.8kg.  smile.gif

The plastic container (with lid) is where we usually store his kibbles. 
It should not be wet and there are lots of worm crawling around the kibbles when i open it.  unsure.gif
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wah going 1 yr old.. i think my abit over weight... everthing also eat including slipper reubber, wood funniture, plant all play toy beaten half now going for the iron gate.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(simchi @ Sep 28 2007, 03:52 PM)
Anyone try Biljac' ?
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my bf family's dog is on bilJac now...the dog only eats bilJac specifically...
i don know how is smells actually, but i know i don like its kibbles' texture coz it kinda looks like hamster food tongue.gif haha..no offence to anyone har...
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post Oct 11 2007, 08:01 PM

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Dog Food Label Study

This is 1 of the clearest explanation i ever read about Dog Food by Sabine Contreras.
If you are feeding your dog dry food, I would strongly suggest you have a look at this article, quite long indeed, but it's very useful.

If a food is named specifically, e.g. "Beef Dog Food", the named ingredient must not be less than 95% of the total weight if the water required for processing is excluded, no less than 70% if the water is included in the calculation. If more than one ingredient is named, e.g. "Beef and Liver Dog Food", all of them combined must not be less than 95% (or 70% respectively) and they must be named in descending order of content by weight. This description is used almost exclusively for canned foods.

If a food name includes the word "dinner" (or similar ones like "formula", "nuggets" etc.), e.g. such as in "Lamb Formula", the named ingredient must not be less than 25% of the total weight. If more than one ingredient is named, e.g. "Lamb and Rice Formula", all of them combined must not be less than 25% and they must be named in descending order of content by weight.

Watch out:
Since the named ingredients are only required to make up 1/4 of the total product, they may not even be descriptive of the main ingredients! The manufacturer is not technically lying about what is used, but if you don't look closely, you may not be getting what you intended to buy.

Ingredient list example where "Lamb and Rice Formula" is correct but misleading:
Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, lamb, brewers rice...
Example of truthful use:
Lamb, ground rice, barley flour, fish meal...


If the name of a food includes the phrase "with [ingredient]" (e.g. "with beef"), the named ingredient must not be less than 3% of the total weight.

Watch out:
The mentioned ingredient is only required to make up 3% of the total product, so it will not be descriptive of the product at all! Unless you take a close look at the ingredient lists of such foods, you are very likely to be deceived.

Ingredient list example for "Product X With Real Lamb and Rice":
Ground yellow corn, chicken byproduct meal, wheat, animal fat, corn gluten meal, lamb , rice, natural poultry flavor, salt, minerals, vitamins...


Last but not least, if a name only includes the word "flavor" or "flavored", no specific percentage is required at all, but a product must contain an amount sufficient to be able to be detected.

Watch out:
If you buy a "flavored" product, you are guaranteed to find only a minute amount of the flavoring ingredient in it, while the predominant ingredients are not mentioned in the name at all.

Ingredient list example for "Product X with Liver Flavor":
Ground yellow corn, poultry byproduct meal, brewers rice, soybean meal, beef tallow, corn gluten meal, brewers dried yeast, digest of beef liver, natural flavors, salt, vitamins, minerals...


Complete article is here...
http://top10world.net/?cat=21

If you have time, it's really good to read this, try to understand what are you feeding your dogs everyday.
Say thanks if you like it icon_rolleyes.gif
By the way, Happy Hari Raya to all of you!
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Added on October 12, 2007, 12:03 amSeems like I'm not successful in sending my message out.
Anyway, here's some summary if you guys think the story is a bit too long to read them.

When you are buying a Dry dog Food, try to look at the ingredient.
According to AAFCO, the major ingredient should arrange descending at the label.
If you are seeing Corn as the first ingredient, means this is the major ingredient of this pack of dog food.

Below are some points on selecting a high protein dog food. Protein, in the form of quality meat ingredients, is the most important component of a dog's diet.

What to look for:
1. The first source of fat or oil that appears in the ingredient list. This can either be from an animal or vegetable source, there are good and bad ones of both, but more details on that later. Anything listed before that first source of fat, and including it, are the main ingredients of the food. Any other items are present in much smaller amounts to add flavor, function as preservatives.

2. Specifically named meats and meat meals such as chicken, chicken meal, turkey, turkey meal, lamb, lamb meal, duck, duck meal, beef, beef meal, eggs and so on.

3. The following are lesser quality ingredients and are not found in truly high quality products, but may be present in smaller amounts (not as the main protein ingredients) in "mid range" foods: fresh byproducts indicating a specific species (e.g. beef/chicken/turkey/lamb byproducts), corn gluten, corn gluten meal. Products that include these as main ingredients should be avoided.

What to avoid:
1. All generic meat ingredients that do not indicate a species (meat, meat byproducts, meat byproduct meal, meat meal, meat & bone meal, blood meal, fish, fish meal, poultry, poultry byproducts, poultry meal, poultry byproduct meal, liver, liver meal, glandular meal etc.)

2. Byproduct meals, even if a species is identified (chicken/beef/turkey/lamb byproduct meal etc.), since highly questionable ingredients may be used in these rendered products.

3. Any food that contains corn (ground or otherwise) as a first ingredient, especially if corn gluten meal is also a main ingredient and no concentrated source of identified meat protein (e.g. chicken meal, lamb meal etc.) is present.

4. Corn gluten or soy(bean) meal as main ingredients. Note: Not all dogs tolerate soy products! Small amounts, especially of organic soy, are okay as long as a dog is not sensitive. There are only very few products on the market that include high quality soy ingredients, none of them sold at grocery stores or mass retailers.

Dogs lovers, spend some time for you dogs by knowing what you feed them biggrin.gif



This post has been edited by jiajilah: Oct 12 2007, 12:03 AM
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cool thanks for the share
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Finally, someone did read my post biggrin.gif I'm glad rclxms.gif

A little study can avoid we, as a consumer being cheated by all commercial advertisement.

I've made some a random comparison here, no offense to any brand ok?

Let's take a look at Science Diet Puppy Original.
http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/products/p..._details.jsp...

Check the ingredients and you will see the major 3 ingredients before Animal Fat are Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Soybean Meal.
1. In our discussion, we prefer Chicken Fat or Sunflower oil, we DO NOT want any unspecified Fat (Animal Fat for this case).
2. The 3 major ingredients before fat are Grain, By-Product and Soybean. See the problem? Non of these are Real Meat.

Now, let us look at Chicken Soul Puppy Formula
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul..../puppy_formula/
The 6 majors ingredients before chicken fat are Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, chicken fat.

You are smart, compare yourself, how much Real Meat available for this product compare to previous product? Are you feeding your dog a fast food? Perhaps a hamburger made of grain and bean?

This post has been edited by jiajilah: Oct 12 2007, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(jiajilah @ Oct 12 2007, 09:53 AM)
Finally, someone did read my post biggrin.gif I'm glad  rclxms.gif

A little study can avoid we, as a consumer being cheated by all commercial advertisement.

I've made some a random comparison here, no offense to any brand ok?

Let's take a look at Science Diet Puppy Original.
http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/products/p..._details.jsp...

Check the ingredients and you will see the major 3 ingredients before Animal Fat are Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Soybean Meal.
1. In our discussion, we prefer Chicken Fat or Sunflower oil, we DO NOT want any unspecified Fat (Animal Fat for this case).
2. The 3 major ingredients before fat are Grain, By-Product and Soybean. See the problem? Non of these are Real Meat.

Now, let us look at Chicken Soul Puppy Formula
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul..../puppy_formula/
The 6 majors ingredients before chicken fat are Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, chicken fat.

You are smart, compare yourself, how much Real Meat available for this product compare to previous product? Are you feeding your dog a fast food? Perhaps a hamburger made of grain and bean?
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Great stuff to share...today I also happened to found this site, http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

I was considering about the Acana brand, but from the above site I found one of the best brand I could get in Malaysia is still Orijen brand.

I'm currently feeding my dog Orijen, but one of my ACS (Golden) stomach is a bit sensitive, cannot tolerate 100% Orijen feeding, caused him diarrhea two incidents already. So I had mixed Orijen with NutriEdge for all of them. But learn from that site http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/ , found that NutriEdge is not even listed there in the rank at all, so may be I should switch when I finish the NutriEdge pack, and go with 50% Acana and 50% Orijen.
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post Oct 12 2007, 02:31 PM

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can we merge this with the dog food poll... the rest of us have discussed/argued about this topic so many times already sweat.gif
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post Oct 12 2007, 09:56 PM

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Yah, will merge it madmoz. It is true, we have discussed about this in great detail already.....
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Very good article, read similar stuffs at Pets Club magazine too, wanted to post but i dont think needed now.

No doubt non of the food on the market is perfect & suits every dogs, so what can we pet owners do is look at the facts - the ingredients! Choosing the best dog food available wouldnt cost us as much as the potential vet bills in long run if we were to choose dog food consisting unfavourable ingredients.

Read up, do more research, it is very important when comes to food.
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Evo Innova and Innova, are they related? sweat.gif

Evo Innova and Orijen same protein percentage.

I heard Innova is good too.
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QUOTE(White Palace @ Oct 12 2007, 10:41 PM)
Very good article, read similar stuffs at Pets Club magazine too, wanted to post but i dont think needed now.

No doubt non of the food on the market is perfect & suits every dogs, so what can we pet owners do is look at the facts - the ingredients! Choosing the best dog food available wouldnt cost us as much as the potential vet bills in long run if we were to choose dog food consisting unfavourable ingredients.
Read up, do more research, it is very important when comes to food.
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Certain brands of 'to be avoided' dog food actually cost more than the 'recommended' brands... shakehead.gif
Trying to sucker ppl into thinking super expensive = super good doh.gif
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i've seen quite a few brands including orijen and acana both oso have meat meals as their main ingredient so its ok right?



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