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 Dog Kibbles (Discussion), Which brand do you feed your furkid?

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post Sep 10 2007, 12:12 AM

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I saw quite a few Westies today.... really nice dogs. Anyway, kibble, you can mention which brand you have tried loh.... you did say Orijen wasn't suitable.... maybe California Natural or Acana is good.... so far my 2 large dogs are eating Acana, quite good.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 10 2007, 12:18 AM)
He is eating Innova for puppies (red bag) now. I am asking to see if there is anything else to change to for better adult kibble choices.
Hun, where you saw Westie today? I am looking for a female.

The breeder gave him Pro Plan, then I gave him Nutri Source (which I only found out on Sun that it wasnt good). Then I gave him Eaglepack, Orijen and now Innova. I was thinking of California Natural also. I noticed that California Natural and Innova are both from the same manufacturer called Natura, right?

Acana? How does it fare?
Maya is what breed oh?
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Yah, got a few. 1 guy had a pair.... then I saw another one tied to a table, it was sleeping underneath.

Yups, Natura is the big manufacturer, but then CN taste quite bland and some dogs won't readily eat coz no taste. Ingredient wise, so far it can improve coat by controlling shedding, slim down obese or fat dogs and improve skin condition. Coz my boxer got quite sensitive skin, he can get sores and bumps all over if the food is wrong.

Now we are trying Acana on my boxer and lab. So far my boxer got no skin condition when on Acana. Today we just bought our 2nd bag. Using Adult feed, chicken pack. They also have a variety for different requirements that your dog needs. There is a salmon and potatoes, which might be good for skin.
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Once dogs taste Royal Canin, it would be hard to change them to other brands if the dog is a picky eater heheheh....
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QUOTE(won @ Sep 10 2007, 01:49 PM)
I fed my GR the following before and these are my comments based on my dog:
Bear in mind different kibbles suit different dog best!  smile.gif

1) CN puppy
    OK for me,  smile.gif  kibble size big enough for my GR. Ingredient and smell ok.
    Only complaint  - poo tend to be soft.  sad.gif

2) Nutriedge Puppy
    OK also. Kibble size is large enough. Smell stronger than CN.
    Complaint: I found worm in unfinished portion very fast.  shakehead.gif Have to buy smaller packet to avaid worm thingy - not economical....
   
3) Innova Puppy & Innova EVo
    Kibble ingredient good and smell nice, but the kibble size too small. Sometimes, my GR choke when he eat too fast. Heard that they have change the kibble size to 2 types, maybe will give it another try.

4) Orijen
    Good ingredient and kibble has a very strong smell. Originally loved by my GR but refuse to take when he fall sick that time. Maybe too strong smell!  tongue.gif

5) Nutro Large breed puppy
    Not suitable for my GR. Cause him to drop lots of fur.  doh.gif

As such, I give my vote to CN  laugh.gif
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Hey, you had the same problem with me when my dog was on Nutro, shed so much till almost botak hahaha.

Yups, CN does make the poo a bit soft.
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QUOTE(won @ Sep 10 2007, 02:51 PM)
Yalor, at that time (4 months) somemore he was in "sprouting" stage. With the fur dropping by patches, he was really a ugly sight! tongue.gif
Tall & thin, gangly looking (funny body proportion) and patches of fur missing, my friend thought I was torturing my dog. sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Hahah... same same. People thought I never groom properly or I pulled out the fur. So scary.... now I don't dare touch Nutro hahaha....
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 10 2007, 10:28 PM)
But Hun says California Natural taste very bland. Err... this may sound rude but do you taste dog food? Any review on CN?
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Hahah... picky dogs would mine. Dogs that just love food won't mind. My boxer and lab would gobble it up but my ckcs, a bit slow and she is picky a bit.
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QUOTE(Miss VPN @ Sep 11 2007, 12:59 AM)
Is Royal Canin suitable for small dog? Is it really that good smile.gif hehe? and what are the price like? Thanks.

I really can't compare which brand is the best for my sasha coz she so picky on her food. sad.gif
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Yes, Royal Canin is pretty suitable for any dog. For small dogs, the kibble are quite tiny, I got a sample but gave to my hamsters instead hahahah.... smells really nice. I only have Royal Canin for cat at home, which is to feed my hedgehogs. I know it is addictive coz my hedgehogs like RC more than Orijen.

It is a pretty nice smelling and oily dogfood, what I heard is it has lots more flavour so that is why dogs are so addictive.... but if compare ingredients with holistic brands, of course will choose holistic lah.

RC comes in many variety. Got for mini, small, large, joint problem.... some even for specific breeds I think.... I can't remember much about RC for dogs.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 11 2007, 09:35 PM)
Recommend me a hollistic dog food that is not 40% high in protein (like ORijen and Evo) and yet its not bland (like California Natural) and not over-rated (like Eaglepack). Hehehe... Thanks in advance!
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Hahahah.... try Canidae.... or Go Natural..... there are a few other brands but I have forgotten the names.... For me, I always like to get samples 1st before buying.... Go Natural got trial pack, Canidae I am not sure lah.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 11 2007, 09:51 PM)
Canidae and Go Natural eh? Ok... is Acana hollistic as well?
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Acana can be considered holistic. Acana does not contain artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives. So pretty good lah. So far my boxer's stool and skin is good.

Another brand is called Solid Gold but only a few petshops carry this brand. I have never tried it on my dogs but it is a holistic brand. Quite expensive too. I think more expensive than Origen.
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Go Natural I think Pet Safari got.... but then these are limited brands in the market, like Solid Gold.

Just try out Acana. Maybe try out the Salmon and Potatoes la, it is for sensitive skin.
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QUOTE(nicwise @ Sep 11 2007, 11:11 PM)
Yes you need to feed less if you're using orijen as it contains 40+% protein and is already alot more nutricious then most of the other dog kibbles.

Just sharing my experience of using Orijen here. I switched my puppy from ANF (fed by petshop) to Orijen and after about one month of using Orijen, I find that my corgi is somehow allergic to either one of the meat in Orijen or it is just allergic to the high protein content.

It started getting worse when I saw that she has a alot of patches in the skin with some hardened yellowish discharge that will make the fur drop off. Something like dandruff, so i decided to switch to another brand in case it gets worse. Not to mention Orijen produces very soft and lumpy stool which makes cleaning up a total chore.

The petshop recommend me a brand called Pinnacle Holistic Trout and Sweet Potatoes and after using it for about a week now, I feel that her skin problems seems to be getting better. Will continue using it and monitor her progress.  Anyone tried this brand before?
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Yes, Pinnacle is a very good brand as well.
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QUOTE(jaunty_niel @ Sep 12 2007, 09:11 PM)
Pinnacle, da canned food very flowery de..
looks something like california natural, but has da pyramid triangle logo..
was told dat it is good too..

i think my pups are allergic to chicken kibbles..feeding jackjack blackwood chicken now, it seems dat his skin probs are still here..
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Then you should try feeding fish base kibble.... or switch to lamb. Beef won't do any good loh.
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No lah.... fish is actually gonna give the same affect as lamb. Why now got fish base pellets is coz some dogs allergic to lamb as well.
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Solid Gold expensive hahahah.... but it is worth a try... so far I am quite happy with Orijen, my dog is fit, no overweight problems since she is an indoor dog, eats twice a day too.

Acana is ok too. My bigger dogs eat like pigs, so Orijen would burn a big hole with 2 big eaters, they also take 2 meals a day.

It's always better to go for Holistic dogfood if you compare the price, is really not much difference from some super premium food.
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I saw the Addiction Dehydrated food.... tempted to get but so so expensive..... summore such small boxes.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 13 2007, 11:00 PM)
It's not easily available and it's expensive.
How expensive is it actually?
Casper is turning 1 year old on 16 Oct 2008.
I think anything above RM45 for 2.5kg is expensive?? Orijen is like the best dog food based on most votes and that's like RM45 for 2.5kg. Anything more expensive is considered expensive.
Yea, I am thinking of Acana because its produce by the same ppl who made ORijen.
RM200?! Wah liao eh... expensive but then can eat many months if its for Casper.
... What dog is Fala? Macam like quite a lot nia.
I'm not too sure but perhaps Hun can enlighten us?

I only know that protein for dogs and protein for human who goes to gym is the same. If you eat a lot of protein and work out, you will be very fit. This applies to dogs and gym go-ers. But if you eat a lot of protein and yet stay indoor and dont workout, then everything will turn into fats.

I also read somewhere that too much protein may harm the liver or kidney, forgotten. Moreover, protein is sort of like 'heaty', thats why you see gym go-er eat a lot of protein, become very fit but also got a lot of pimples. They can overcome by drinkings lots of water and eat lots of fruits. But how often our furkid eat fruits? Dog do not know "oh it's heaty, drink more water..." Hence, this leads to skin problem for sensitive skin dogs like my Westie.

How it lead to cancer, I am not sure but if it's coming from my gf, I think can believe kuaaa... at least for myself la. =) Hehehe... No choice, if I dont believe my wife, who will, right? She may be right or may not be right but she studied pharmacies and she love dogs, so I am sure she has her explanation.
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Yes, protein for dogs and humans almost same.... if we don't use up the energy in protein, it would turn to fats.

Skin problems can come about in sensitive dogs. Senior dogs should not take high protein diets. Yes, it is true that too much protein would harm the kidney but this is if the dog has kidney problems. If your dog is active, then high protein is ok. Kidney disease is not caused by high protein. Dogs are created in a way where they can tolerate lots of protein coz in the wild, they do kill prey and eat everything. It won't cause cancer in dogs..... humans yes and maybe but not dogs and cats lah.

To help out, read these:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article....id=459#answer_1
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cl...1&articleid=702
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/protein.html

Since Orijen's protein are from real meat, it is quite safe.... if the protein is coming from by products, animal fats, soya meal.... then that's a different story.

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A fable that has finally been debunked is the one that states that dogs acquire kidney problems from eating too much protein. This fable was repeated so often that it became self-sustaining and axiomatic. Finally, experts in animal nutrition have buried this myth. It simply is not true that high protein levels in dog food cause kidney problems. "The dog can digest large amounts of proteins, especially those of animal origin" stated Prof. Dominique Grandjean DVM, Ph.D., at the Fourth Annual International Sled Dog Veterinary Medical Association Symposium



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QUOTE(babymiki @ Sep 13 2007, 11:13 PM)
Gosh how often? Very seldom i give her fruits.
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You can make fruit yogurt puree. Take some apple, a bit of papaya and carrot, blend until soft and smooth like a milk shake, then add yogurt and give it as a treat to your dog.

My dogs like to take sweet fruits but Chelsea likes all kinds of crunchy fruits and vegies, she hates banana and papaya.

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Sep 13 2007, 11:33 PM)
Thanks for your clarification Hun! Yes, I forgot that dogs in the wild hunt for meat too and they come from the wolf family-tree. True true...

Dogs can eat strawberry and banana or not ah? WHat fruits are considered harmful for dogs?
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Dogs can eat fruits and vegies as treats.... but make sure no onion, no citrus fruits.... also no grapes. Anything with seeds must take out but seeds on Kiwi, Dragon fruit, strawberry is ok lah.... those big seeds that human should not eat wan, must not give.
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Oh, don't go thinking a whole container of yogurt is healthy..... Dogs will only get healthy with 1 tablespoon of yogurt a day.... more than that, can get diarrhea.... tablespoon for large dogs, teaspoon for small dogs lah.

Puree vegies and fruits are much healthier than just feeding fruit base yogurt lah. Coz once vegies and fruits are cooked or processed, they lose most of their vitamins and minerals.... You don't need to blend everyday. Just blend a few types of fruits and vegie together, pour into an icecube tray and freeze it. Then everytime you wanna feed, take 1 or 2 icecubes and give as treat. Frozen sweeties for dogs hahaah.
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You can mix fruit with vegie.... apples then you add 1 or 2 leaf of choy sum and a bit of carrot.... blend everything loh.
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No need add water lah. Coz the fruits and vegies all got juices, so it's enough for blending.

Aiyah, all dogs with beards and mustaches sure will have dirty mouths if we do not clean them after their food.... so must be hardworking and make sure always wipe our doggie's mouths heheheh.

Normally how much you guys get California Natural and Acana Adult(chicken)?

For me, CN is like RM143 for 15kg, Acana is about RM140.....

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