what does off label means?
can i go shopee n buy and eat

Oh.. I didn’t grasp what you were trying to say.... so actually what you said was basically in line with what I said which was AZ vaccination was very effective in bringing down death rate or in your case you are saying vaccination and natural immunity acquired were responsible in bringing down the death rate...

So, both our observations correctly pointed out that the supposed ARR of AZ of 1.3% does not make sense

Testing 1 2 12, mic check,.halo!!!!

is this ready available in our hospital?
human consumption one.

I think you are not getting the idea of ARR. ARR is dependent on the background risk of catching covid in the first place. For the lancet article, they had low ARR because during the time they were doing the trials the prevalence of Covid was not as high as during the second wave. you mention 5mil/60 mil population in the UK already infected with Sars2-covid. that is for the entire period since pandemic started in Mar 2020. ARR is always calculated base on a defined period (for eg the vaccine trial period).

If you can imagine that over a period of X years, you will have 100% chance of catching covid, then the vaccine ARR = RRR.

This is also why using ARR is problematic during an ongoing infectious pandemic cycle. ARR would be more appropriate if used during a steady state endemic level situation where the background risk is stable and constant. However during a pandemic, the force of the infection is dynamic, if its not well controlled by vaccines, SOP etc, the background risk would increase exponentially. The ironic thing is, the higher the background risk, the higher the ARR figures would be.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Jul 12 2021, 12:08 AM

exactly.

event rate multiply by time would be the real picture.

Messenger oh messenger

Oh.. thanks for detailed explanation .. I got a better idea of it now but all these medical things and statistics are confusing ...so, what is the article trying to say? Why did they bring up ARR then if ARR is only “accurate” during a steady state? So in a pandemic state, the stated RRR of higher figures like 90+% in Pfizer etc was accurate what... arggh ...anyway, my layman interpretation/observation was that vaccines were obviously very effective in UK now in bringing down death rate

On another note... if ARR is low, are you saying once this pandemic die down , we might not need vaccination anymore as the low ARR means there is not much added benefit?

Yes available. And it seems KPJ Ampang Puteri already start administering Ivermectin for awhile without waiting for corrupt messenger's approval.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=101411512

mean on your own risk...

KKM denies the claim again.
https://twitter.com/KKMPutrajaya/status/1413722079149522944

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/true-or-not...-treat-covid-19

So doctors can continue to play God denying life saving medication to dying patients. Brilliant.

thanks!

i armed myself some. these on power ppl tak boleh harap one.

If proven, kkm gotta eat humbe pie..

Kuala Lumpur: Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia (KKM) akan menjalankan ujian klinikal ke atas 500 pesakit untuk menilai keberkesanan penggunaan Ivermectin.

Ketua Pengarah Kesihatan Tan Sri Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah berkata, objektif utamanya adalah untuk melihat sama ada ubat terbabit dapat merawat secara efektif pesakit yang berada pada tahap awal Covid-19 dan mencegah daripada beralih ke kategori empat atau lima.



"Kita juga akan melihat perbezaan dari segi jumlah kematian, pengudaraan mekanikal, jumlah berapa pesakit yang dirawat di Unit Rawatan Rapi (ICU) dan kesan di sebalik penggunaannya.


"Satu kumpulan akan menerima Ivermectin oral dengan dos 0.4 miligram (mg)/kilogram) (berdasarkan berat badan) setiap hari selama lima hari berturut-turut sementara kumpulan yang lain hanya akan mendapat rawatan biasa tanpa ubat terbabit," katanya kepada Harian Metro.

Dr Noor Hisham berkata, setakat ini 200 pesakit sudah sudah menjalani ujian klinikal terbabit dan menjangkakan 500 pesakit akan dicapai sehingga September ini.

"Adalah penting untuk tahu bahawa dos Ivermectin yang digunakan dalam ujian klinikal ini lebih tinggi dari dos dibenarkan untuk jangkitan parasit.

"Subjek kajian dipantau rapi oleh doktor berpengalaman sekiranya berlaku apa-apa dalam tempoh kajian klinikal terbabit," katanya.

Beliau berkata, kajian itu didaftarkan di clinicaltrials.gov dan pada sesiapa yang berminat boleh melihat dengan jelas mengenai protokol kajian bagi memastikan kajian telus dan untuk elakkan sebarang prejudis pada masa akan datang.

"Keberkesanan ubat ini di dalam proses rawatan Covid-19 mesti berdasarkan bukti saintifik dan bukan pandangan peribadi dan sentimen orang awam," katanya.

Selain daripada doktor dari jabatan penyakit berjangkit, seramai 140 orang terbabit dalam ujian klinikal ini terdiri daripada pakar perubatan, pegawai perubatan, ahli farmasi dan pegawai penyelidikan dari Pusat Kajian Klinikal (CRC) dari 18 hospital kerajaan.

Finally decided to give off label use... If not got shouted in parliament, menteri air suam probably still sleeping on the job again

Heal your lungs now or preserve your kidneys later?

Pick your poison.

Oh wai-