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post Jun 23 2021, 10:51 PM, updated 5y ago

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JOHOR BARU: A 44-year-old engineer is crying foul after his credit cards were misused for various transactions without his knowledge, leaving him with a total debt of RM40,000.

The man, who asked to be identified only as Lee, claimed that the transactions were made on June 1 without his knowledge as he did not receive any one-time pin (OTP) from any banks or any text messages notifying him that his credit cards had been used.


He said he first noticed something wrong when he wanted to top up RM200 into an online shopping platform e-wallet with his credit card at around 3pm on the same day, only to be informed that he had reached his credit limit.

“I quickly called my bank to check because my credit card limit was not that low and I had not performed any major transactions recently.

“I was shocked when I was told that my credit card had been used for three transactions that morning to top up an e-wallet at another online shopping platform amounting to RM9,000,” he told a virtual press conference on Wednesday (June 23) organised by the Pasir Gudang MCA Public Complaints and Services bureau.

More bad news ensued after he decided to check on his two other credit cards.

“One of the cards was used to top up RM12,000 in four transactions at an online shopping platform while three transactions were performed with the other card amounting to RM19,000 with two e-wallets.

“I did not perform the transactions. All my online shopping apps also do not reflect the amounts in the transactions using my credit cards,” he said, adding that he cancelled all three cards and lodged a police report after that.

Lee said he felt helpless and disappointed by the answers given by the representatives of the banks, online shopping platforms and telecommunications companies who could not give him a clear answer as to who had misused his credit cards.

“They told me they cannot release such information due to privacy and confidentiality issues, but who is going to help me as a victim?

“One of the banks even told me that their internal investigation showed an OTP had been sent out for the transactions but they declined to reveal which mobile telephone number they were sent to.

“As such, they told me that I have to pay even though I really did not receive the OTPs on my mobile phone.

“It is very frustrating. I am also stressed and have been having sleepless nights thinking about the RM40,000 I have to pay despite playing no part in those transactions,” he said, adding that his income has been affected by the ongoing Covid-19 lockdown.

Meanwhile, the bureau’s deputy chief Ang Tun Chek said he is helping Lee get in touch with the banks to get a clearer picture of the matter.

He also said the bureau has received five such cases since May involving victims who did not receive an OTP but still had transactions made with their cards.

“It is unfair that the victims are given the runaround and I think that banks should do more to protect the victims.

"I am surprised that there was no trigger after multiple transactions involving large sums of money were made,” he said.

Ang hopes that Bank Negara could look into the matter as such cases have also been widely reported in the media.

“With so many people’s income being affected by the ongoing pandemic, they really do not need more unnecessary financial burdens to weigh them down," he said.


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Foul play? 🤔 Sendiri topup banyak kali xblh bayar?

Sos: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...tune-of-rm40000

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post Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM

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I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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maybe it's his gf or secret lover doing
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post Jun 23 2021, 10:59 PM

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Lower CC limit lor...
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post Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM

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is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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post Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM

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Which bank is it? Sotong bank or Harimeow bank?
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the problem is it has already elapsed for so long only he noticed. he should make a police report for credit card fraud, under the commercial crimes department.

had my CC cloned once more than 10 years ago, good thing got notifications, so managed to cancel the card and make dispute claims. the cibai thing is the bank would use small technical errors (didn't file dispute in time) to make it seems like your fault and make you pay for the fraudulent transaction.
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I used shopping using debit card. They can steal if tge debit card still got money inside.
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can issue dispute and claim back one. i kena one time.
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Most likely his phone no got compromised I think? Since bank said they sent out OTP but he didn't receive so did it trigger to another phone?
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jun 23 2021, 11:14 PM)
Most likely his phone no got compromised I think? Since bank said they sent out OTP but he didn't receive so did it trigger to another phone?
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Given all 3 cards were used, it's unlikely the issue is with the banks.


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post Jun 23 2021, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(loon90 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM)
I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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Certain online shoping not require otp once u saved the cc info
U can try aliexpress
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instead of OTP, banks should use Google authenticator like digital token apps as practiced by some Sg banks.

Of course there is risk of being hacked, but at least the cloned SIM card risk can be eliminated.


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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 23 2021, 11:15 PM)
Certain online shoping not require otp once u saved the cc info
U can try aliexpress
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Even my Grab doesnt require OTP. Its convenient la but scary at times.
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QUOTE(loon90 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM)
I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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some or all oversea transaction, no otp.


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post Jun 23 2021, 11:20 PM

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One credit card hacked maybe, 3 credit cards hacked? Cool story

More bad news ensued after he decided to check on his two other credit cards.
“One of the cards was used to top up RM12,000 in four transactions at an online shopping platform while three transactions were performed with the other card amounting to RM19,000 with two e-wallets.
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QUOTE(JoeYoung @ Jun 23 2021, 11:20 PM)
One credit card hacked maybe, 3 credit cards hacked? Cool story

More bad news ensued after he decided to check on his two other credit cards.
“One of the cards was used to top up RM12,000 in four transactions at an online shopping platform while three transactions were performed with the other card amounting to RM19,000 with two e-wallets.
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Yeah this was laughable...i wonder how he justifies that
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guys, never save your credit card info into shopee and lazada. please don't
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QUOTE(Hensem @ Jun 23 2021, 11:41 PM)
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QUOTE(tongsanfish @ Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM)
is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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but you get purchase and payment confirm email
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all CC shoukd not br allowed to save cc period.. even info saved everytime it would need otp.. but now grab, tng, lazada, shopee fools all of them the only option to save cc is to tied ur cc and allow them to bypass the otp verification.. thats not safe at all.

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credit limit to high. call bank to lower it. if oversea purchasing no OTP send to hp.

if the purchase involves huge sum of money, the bank will detect the unauthorised transaction. they will call.

happened to me me many timez. i think bank has replaced my cards more than 10 times.

i noticed this occurred after i made overseas online payments. last time.,before covid19 outbreak, usually happened after hotel check out.

now i only use 1card for online shopping and 1 for backup in case the former is blocked.
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All 3 credit cards from same bank?
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>bank cant give name of the person who misappropriated the cards


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THIS GUY IS A FUCKING DUMBASS
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That's why better don't save ur cc card info on any sites
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yeah this age still got loopholes to be exploited....just have to be careful.
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QUOTE(tongsanfish @ Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM)
is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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u need to authorise OTP first time, some of my cards still block the auto afterwards and demand OTP.

No matter what one needs to leak or lose both ends of the 2FA at least once.
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QUOTE(tongsanfish @ Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM)
is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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Thats why i remove all my cc from lazada and shoppee
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Sounds like foul play.


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I'm using CIMB Debit Card today amounting USD 750 today at e-learning portal ... no OTP required liao.. gila la ini macam
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Only used my cards for online transactions but ayam sked still, data leak and I'm fcked. Murrica ppl can use single used prepaid virtual visa like privacy.com and abine.com but kenot for third world bolehland ppl. Found russian yoomoney with similar feature but for kyc verification need to scan and post ic photo via snail mail to russia, smh doh.gif
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 24 2021, 01:03 AM)
I'm using CIMB Debit Card today amounting USD 750 today at e-learning portal ... no OTP required liao.. gila la ini macam
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overseas website requires no validation.
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 01:04 AM)
overseas website requires no validation.
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 24 2021, 01:06 AM)
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you need to be vigilant these few days ahead as the card might be misused. btw, how can more than rm500 allowed in debit card transaction?
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 01:09 AM)
you need to be vigilant these few days ahead as the card might be misused. btw, how can more than rm500 allowed in debit card transaction?
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Your credit card was billed $749.00.If you have any questions, please contact billing@ine.com. Thank you for your purchase!


Very easy one...
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 24 2021, 01:10 AM)
Very easy one...
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you did not set the limit for the dcard?
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Cannot request for chargebacks?
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I don't know if this is applicable or not?

https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...mited-liability
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 01:12 AM)
you did not set the limit for the dcard?
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never check .. but normally default should be rm 3000.
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 24 2021, 01:19 AM)
never check .. but normally default should be rm 3000.
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750usd is rm3k.. around that
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“I did not perform the transactions. All my online shopping apps also do not reflect the amounts in the transactions using my credit cards,” he said, adding that he cancelled all three cards and lodged a police report after that.
Well, if his apps dont show the new balances that were topped up, that means all these e-commerce websites are highly subjected to money laundering.

3rd party deposit is allowed.
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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Jun 24 2021, 01:19 AM)
I don't know if this is applicable or not?

https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...mited-liability
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so no more than rm250 to pay for unauthorised transaction?
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1 card ok , the others also same thing? Every month cc statement or on-line banking no check one?



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Some transaction type doesn't require otp

Example: porn sites

But you will still get notified of each transaction
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Tng also no notification but will sent notice to your email for transaction.

For oversea transaction I always use bigpay debit
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QUOTE(fath82 @ Jun 24 2021, 02:05 AM)
Tng also no notification but will sent notice to your email for transaction.

For oversea transaction I always use bigpay debit
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tng pops up notification unless user disable
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“They told me they cannot release such information due to privacy and confidentiality issues, but who is going to help me as a victim?

This is really kek.
that his account and what the shit about privacy and confidentiality?


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QUOTE(Busquets @ Jun 24 2021, 01:14 AM)
Cannot request for chargebacks?
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That's the point I'm wondering since isn't that the whole point of having a credit card? How come they won't let him chargeback? I've been hearing more and more stories of banks lepas tangan whenever fraudulent transactions happen.
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 24 2021, 01:03 AM)
I'm using CIMB Debit Card today amounting USD 750 today at e-learning portal ... no OTP required liao.. gila la ini macam
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You want to be safe, apply for Prepaid Card.

Example is Big Pay and MAE debit card by Maybank. Both of these cards are prepaid card.

Other alternative if you have additional bank account debit card that u rarely used, just transfer some of the specific amount before making online transaction.


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thats y i put money in efd....

just to park there

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QUOTE(cringe @ Jun 24 2021, 06:44 AM)
You want to be safe, apply for Prepaid Card.

Example is Big Pay and MAE debit card by Maybank. Both of these cards are prepaid card.

Other alternative if you have additional bank account debit card that u rarely used, just transfer some of the specific amount before making online transaction.
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I really have how lazada app forces you to save card when you check out and they dont require OTP for subsequent charges on saved cards.

like wtf man.


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after hearing so many lies from people, i hard to believe this engineer story.
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His case is not about no otp. If it is genuine fraud, it is about someone register his card and otp to fraud otp number.
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 01:26 AM)
so no more than rm250 to pay for unauthorised transaction?
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I don't know how this works
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 23 2021, 11:15 PM)
Certain online shoping not require otp once u saved the cc info
U can try aliexpress
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i remember somethign like that, not sure shopee or lazada, after that my credit card got hack...
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 23 2021, 11:08 PM)
the problem is it has already elapsed for so long only he noticed. he should make a police report for credit card fraud, under the commercial crimes department.

had my CC cloned once more than 10 years ago, good thing got notifications, so managed to cancel the card and make dispute claims. the cibai thing is the bank would use small technical errors (didn't file dispute in time) to make it seems like your fault and make you pay for the fraudulent transaction.
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Of course, Bank is not going to pay their mistake... brows.gif
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If he reports it to the bank punctually, he is only liable for RM150.

Or at least it sued to be that.


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15 Liability for unauthorised transactions
S 15.1 An issuer shall provide an effective and convenient means including having a
dedicated contact number by which a cardholder can notify the issuer of any
lost, stolen or unauthorised use of his credit cards. The issuer shall also
implement procedures for acknowledging receipt and verification of the
notification of the lost, stolen or unauthorised use of the credit card.
S 15.2 An issuer shall not hold a cardholder liable for card-present unauthorised
transactions which require PIN verification, unless the issuer can prove that the
cardholder has:
(a) acted fraudulently;
(b) delayed in notifying the issuer as soon as reasonably practicable after
having discovered the loss or unauthorised use of the credit card;
© voluntarily disclosed the PIN to another person; or
(d) recorded the PIN on the credit card, or on anything kept in close proximity
with the credit card, and could be lost or stolen with the card.
S 15.3 An issuer shall not hold a cardholder liable for card-present unauthorised
transactions which require signature verification or the use of a contactless
card, unless the issuer can prove that the cardholder has:
(a) acted fraudulently;
(b) delayed in notifying the issuer as soon as reasonably practicable after
having discovered the loss or unauthorised use of the credit card;
© left the credit card or an item containing the card unattended, in places
visible and accessible to others, except at the cardholder’s place of
residence. However, a cardholder is expected to exercise due care in
safeguarding the credit card even at the cardholder’s place of residence;
or
(d) voluntarily allowed another person to use the credit card.
Credit Card 9 of 25
Issued on: 2 July 2019
S 15.4 An issuer must ensure that appropriate investigations are carried out on all
unauthorised transactions. Any decision to pass on liability for unauthorised
transactions must be supported by sufficient evidence to prove that one of the
conditions specified in paragraphs 15.2 or 15.3 as the case maybe, has been
met.
S 15.5 An issuer shall have clear processes in place to register any notification of lost,
stolen or unauthorised use of a credit card and take immediate action upon
notification by a cardholder, to prevent further use of the credit card. A
cardholder shall not be held liable for any unauthorised transactions charged to
the credit card after the cardholder has notified the issuer verbally or in writing
of the lost, stolen or unauthorised use of the credit card.
S 15.6 An issuer shall not hold a cardholder liable for losses incurred if the cause of the
losses is due to any of the following:
(a) failure of the issuer to send reminders to the cardholder as per the
requirements in paragraphs 17.10 and 18.7(a);
(b) failure of the issuer to provide customer hotlines which are operational at
all times for a cardholder to notify the issuer of any lost, stolen or
unauthorised use of the credit card;
© a technical breakdown or other deficiency in the issuer’s systems or
equipment;
(d) weaknesses or vulnerability in security features and controls adopted by
the issuer;
(e) a transaction that involved the use of a forged credit card;
(f) for transactions requiring PIN verification, a transaction that occurred
before the cardholder receives the PIN or changes the default PIN for the
first time;
(g) fraudulent or negligent conduct of the employees or agents of the issuer
or merchants; or
(h) a transaction, excluding a recurring transaction, that occurred after the
cardholder has notified the issuer of the lost, stolen or unauthorised use
of the credit card.
https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/20124/9380...Credit+Card.pdf


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after hearing so many lies from people, i hard to believe this engineer story.
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is this the same guy who has been nabbed yesterday. a uk graduate with fake mycards and claiming somedoby else stole his identity for online shopping.?
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You want to be safe, apply for Prepaid Card.

Example is Big Pay and MAE debit card by Maybank. Both of these cards are prepaid card.

Other alternative if you have additional bank account debit card that u rarely used, just transfer some of the specific amount before making online transaction.
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is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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Is call recurring. I as the one who created recurring section for Shopee Pay. I sendiri dun dare use it. Haha. Cause I dono how Shopee store my card details. It is masked or not? If not their Engineer can login into DB and see my clear cardpan and CVV.

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that's why too much ewallet link to CC is bad idea

when online first started memang everyone careful to not give out CC information freely but now become.norm put into everywhere

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QUOTE(cringe @ Jun 24 2021, 06:44 AM)
You want to be safe, apply for Prepaid Card.

Example is Big Pay and MAE debit card by Maybank. Both of these cards are prepaid card.

Other alternative if you have additional bank account debit card that u rarely used, just transfer some of the specific amount before making online transaction.
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I got MPay virtual credit card for online purchases
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anyone guess who is this guy???? small world man.. its my friend... yesterday was on the phone with him...
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If no receive message... maybe its inside job? Maybe I should cancel my card also.
I use it to buy games only anyway. 40k is a devastating number to me. I work whole year also cant save up to 40k...
Without action from the bank for this victim, I really can't feel save keeping my card now especially during these desperate times.
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QUOTE(pundi @ Jun 24 2021, 07:09 AM)
thats y i put money in efd....

just to park there
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anyone guess who is this guy???? small world man.. its my friend... yesterday was on the phone with him...
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Tell the whole story please. How the heck bank cannot give info who using his cc?
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QUOTE(cringe @ Jun 24 2021, 06:44 AM)
You want to be safe, apply for Prepaid Card.

Example is Big Pay and MAE debit card by Maybank. Both of these cards are prepaid card.

Other alternative if you have additional bank account debit card that u rarely used, just transfer some of the specific amount before making online transaction.
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What debit card can use on Steam?
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Jun 24 2021, 09:07 AM)
If no receive message... maybe its inside job? Maybe I should cancel my card also.
I use it to buy games only anyway. 40k is a devastating number to me. I work whole year also cant save up to 40k...
Without action from the bank for this victim, I really can't feel save keeping my card  now especially during these desperate times.
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one make sense but 3? takkan all 3 banks link.. i think more like the fellow really gores himself.. or bodoh bodoh ikut cakap scam calls and had all his info to gores dan menang.
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so small amount.. if akpk only few hundred a month...
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You guys think this guy faking it?

It happened to me just last month up to rm7k

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I happened to stumble upon an alert upon waking up 5am and saw this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I was late to respond obviously was sleeping at that time.

I called the sms number and did an official report, but felt something was off because there was no follow up.

The transaction keep coming from 9th May to 12th May

On 12th May I called citi official number and asked for follow-up, they said never receive any report.

I was stumped. the sms may also be fake (or a redirected sms with fake content) the number provided earlier CS may have phished my detail.

Then i submitted another report, now i was provided a report # number for follow-up purpose.


How do i prove i did not do the transaction?
1. I dont have any Atome.my account
2. The card number used for the transaction is already pass expiry date 2019. The new valid card numberin use is different.
3. Because its local merchant transacting with local bank it should have asked for TAC for verification. I never consented to any.

The reimbursement was made by Atome.my, not by citi.
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What debit card can use on Steam?
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I don't know, I've never buy anything from Steam since I don't play any games.

But I'm a frequent buyer at the Amazon portal. I bought a lot of e-book(Kindle books) from them.
I'm using MAE prepaid card and BigPay card to pay.

Or else, if I lazy to topup, I just use CC to make payment
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Tell the whole story please. How the heck bank cannot give info who using his cc?
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cause bank says its privacy... cannot reveal any details.. he scolded and make an official complain to the bank manager... i guess the bank is not doing its job to investigate further..... some of this bank employed ppl who are lazy... cry.gif
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Jun 24 2021, 09:39 AM)
You guys think this guy faking it?

It happened to me just last month up to rm7k

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I happened to stumble upon an alert upon waking up 5am and saw this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I was late to respond obviously was sleeping at that time.

I called the sms number and did an official report, but felt something was off because there was no follow up.

The transaction keep coming from 9th May to 12th May

On 12th May I called citi official number and asked for follow-up, they said never receive any report.

I was stumped. the sms may also be fake (or a redirected sms with fake content) the number provided earlier CS may have phished my detail.

Then i submitted another report, now i was provided a report # number for follow-up purpose.
How do i prove i did not do the transaction?
1. I dont have any Atome.my account
2. The card number used for the transaction is already pass expiry date 2019. The new valid card numberin use is different.
3. Because its local merchant transacting with local bank it should have asked for TAC for verification. I never consented to any.

The reimbursement was made by Atome.my, not by citi.
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Damn,did you get reimbursed for the 7k? Looks like legit transactions
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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Jun 23 2021, 11:10 PM)
I used shopping using debit card. They can steal if tge debit card still got money inside.
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Experienced this last month. Had RM85 ( 6 transactions ) spent on buying online games. Luckily received sms notification but all thevtransactions were done in around 1 minute.

Reported to the bank to cancel my debit card. A week later checked with the bank those transactions were totally removed from my account ( didnt appear in my acvount statement ) and my account balance was restored to its original amount.
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no otp mean already saved somewhere

why not block the card directly
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i heard that Citibank and HSBC cards are the most vulnerable to fraud. Is it true?
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Damn,did you get reimbursed for the 7k? Looks like legit transactions
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Yep, transaction stopped at 12th May and it was reimbursed by Atome.my in 3 days.

I was ready to do police report if the citi CS didnt do their work.

I'd do various reports (Police/BNM/KPDN/MCMC) but things was resolved.
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How does credit card fraud happen at this age?

Last time you pass to the waiter and he bring it to the counter to swipe.

These days everything is done infront of you. I for one uses samsung pay..
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QUOTE(chamelion @ Jun 24 2021, 07:48 AM)
His case is not about no otp. If it is genuine fraud, it is about someone register his card and otp to fraud otp number.
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Sometimes you don't know someone inside got connection with those hacker & get commission from it. Anything can happen.
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What is efd? Fix deposit?
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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Jun 24 2021, 10:03 AM)
Sometimes you don't know someone inside got connection with those hacker & get commission from it. Anything can happen.
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Yup, what's stopping those inside from stealing directly from the customer?
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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Jun 24 2021, 08:48 AM)
*binds CC info to Shopee*
*Shopee account kena hacked*
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Deswai never save your card info on shopping sites. I don't trust these local e-commerce sites' security. These types of companies will NEVER tell you if they kena hack.

QUOTE(samftrmd @ Jun 24 2021, 09:09 AM)
What debit card can use on Steam?
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Any bank debit card (need to activate or call CS) or Bigpay.

QUOTE(JustAskingOnly @ Jun 24 2021, 10:03 AM)
How does credit card fraud happen at this age?

Last time you pass to the waiter and he bring it to the counter to swipe.

These days everything is done infront of you. I for one uses samsung pay..
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I don't trust the cashiers with my cards. I do everything myself because manataw they try to record or memorize the details. Still got idiots nowadays trying to take the card from me even with Kobis-21 and I have to wave it away.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 24 2021, 10:17 AM)
Deswai never save your card info on shopping sites. I don't trust these local e-commerce sites' security. These types of companies will NEVER tell you if they kena hack.
Any bank debit card (need to activate or call CS) or Bigpay.
I don't trust the cashiers with my cards. I do everything myself because manataw they try to record or memorize the details. Still got idiots nowadays trying to take the card from me even with Kobis-21 and I have to wave it away.
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Ywah I know. But I still don't know how cards get clone these days. Even if they memorise your number and even ccv still need the sms tag
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 12:07 AM)
credit limit to high. call bank to lower it. if oversea purchasing no OTP send to hp.

if the purchase involves huge sum of money, the bank will detect the unauthorised transaction. they will call.

happened to me me many timez. i think bank has replaced my cards more than 10 times.

i noticed this occurred after i made overseas online payments. last time.,before covid19 outbreak, usually happened after hotel check out.

now i only use 1card for online shopping and 1 for backup in case the former is blocked.
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Interesting that you mentioned it. I had unauthorised transactions within 2 hours of checking out of a hotel in jb. Luckily it was a small amount of rm0.50 sen but it happened twice consecutively. I received sms alert from maybank but didn't read it that time as I was meeting a client. After about 10 mins, my phone rang and it was someone from maybank asking me about the two transactions. I said it wasn't me who performed it. Maybank straight away cancelled n replaced my card n reversed the two transactions
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QUOTE(tongsanfish @ Jun 24 2021, 12:00 AM)
is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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this is true and still many people didnt believe that it was true ..epic!
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Stored credit card on websites are tokenised. Tokenised card can be frauded?

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Stored credit card on websites are tokenised. Tokenised card can be frauded?
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sometimes must wonder if it's inside job....
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QUOTE(JustAskingOnly @ Jun 24 2021, 10:19 AM)
Ywah I know. But I still don't know how cards get clone these days. Even if they memorise your number and even ccv still need the sms tag
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we call it digital cloning card.
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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jun 24 2021, 10:22 AM)
Interesting that you mentioned it. I had unauthorised transactions within 2 hours of checking out of a hotel in jb. Luckily it was a small amount of rm0.50 sen but it happened twice consecutively. I received sms alert from maybank but didn't read it that time as I was meeting a client. After about 10 mins, my phone rang and it was someone from maybank asking me about the two transactions. I said it wasn't me who performed it. Maybank straight away cancelled n replaced my card n reversed the two transactions
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Hotel can charge your credit card if you have authorized them in the beginning(normally during checkin) . That's how they charge you for mini bar stuff even after you checkout.


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There are so many speculation here but no one is revealing the real rootcause.
I find it fishy that banks are not revealing the number that the TAC was sent to , to the owner of the credit card itself.

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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Jun 24 2021, 09:39 AM)
You guys think this guy faking it?

It happened to me just last month up to rm7k

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I happened to stumble upon an alert upon waking up 5am and saw this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I was late to respond obviously was sleeping at that time.

I called the sms number and did an official report, but felt something was off because there was no follow up.

The transaction keep coming from 9th May to 12th May

On 12th May I called citi official number and asked for follow-up, they said never receive any report.

I was stumped. the sms may also be fake (or a redirected sms with fake content) the number provided earlier CS may have phished my detail.

Then i submitted another report, now i was provided a report # number for follow-up purpose.
How do i prove i did not do the transaction?
1. I dont have any Atome.my account
2. The card number used for the transaction is already pass expiry date 2019. The new valid card numberin use is different.
3. Because its local merchant transacting with local bank it should have asked for TAC for verification. I never consented to any.

The reimbursement was made by Atome.my, not by citi.
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SMS can be fake that is used for phising.
Even I got a call from a "bank" saying that my card has been used somewhere else, need to verify my info.( They are trying to phish private information from you)
The funny thing is I don't even have that credit card. The moment I said , I would like to speak to your supervisor, they hung up the phone.



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QUOTE(matiko95 @ Jun 24 2021, 11:24 AM)
we call it digital cloning card.
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How to do it ?
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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 24 2021, 06:40 AM)
That's the point I'm wondering since isn't that the whole point of having a credit card? How come they won't let him chargeback? I've been hearing more and more stories of banks lepas tangan whenever fraudulent transactions happen.
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For maybank , it seems that they have this service. But you need to fill the form https://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/CC-DisputeForm.pdf

Im not sure how long does it take and what process involve to get the CB approved.

Nver done this bfore
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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jun 24 2021, 10:22 AM)
Interesting that you mentioned it. I had unauthorised transactions within 2 hours of checking out of a hotel in jb. Luckily it was a small amount of rm0.50 sen but it happened twice consecutively. I received sms alert from maybank but didn't read it that time as I was meeting a client. After about 10 mins, my phone rang and it was someone from maybank asking me about the two transactions. I said it wasn't me who performed it. Maybank straight away cancelled n replaced my card n reversed the two transactions
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lucky you. last time i was stranded in Bali. waiting at the airport restlessly. suddenly i received a message of my credit card being charged for vape purchasing.. what!!! i called directly to the bank and blocked it. ended up with no credit card for emergency purposes in Bali.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 24 2021, 11:41 AM)
SMS can be fake that is used for phising.
Even I got a call from a "bank" saying that my card has been used somewhere else, need to verify my info.( They are trying to phish private information from you)
The funny thing is I don't even have that credit card.  The moment I said , I would like to speak to your supervisor, they hung up the phone.
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now bank will send you the OTP and need to enter during the phone conversation. many fake calls nowdays claiming from the banks.and this is the way to authorise the person call to the real ones.
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What debit card can use on Steam?
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can just top up steam wallet with maybank2u app

leceh sikit

but i started removing all my cards from ecommerce

left grab and touch n go only
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I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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Its seems that some of the vendor can activate without having any OTP.
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ayam no worries at all reading this kind of cases



benefits of having no c.c and bank balance of only rm1.67
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QUOTE(ThirdSon @ Jun 24 2021, 02:58 PM)
ayam no worries at all reading this kind of cases
benefits of having no c.c and bank balance of only rm1.67
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duit Simpan dalam saham?

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Hotel can charge your credit card if you have authorized them in the beginning(normally during checkin) . That's how they charge you for mini bar stuff even after you checkout.
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No it was Google related transaction
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What happened to this guy?

Still need to pay his RM40k debt??

Crazy, thank god my credit line is not high

and some people said CC has better protection than debit card. LOL

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QUOTE(loon90 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM)
I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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Possible if someone clone his sim.
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Possible if someone clone his sim.
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Is this a thing?
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Is this a thing?
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Dono, asking if its possible nowadays ?
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Some website I think no need otp. But bank sms telling me your credit card has been charged this amount.
Last time I kena but the bank cancel the transaction within few days.
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QUOTE(The Residences @ Aug 19 2021, 11:40 PM)
What happened to this guy?

Still need to pay his RM40k debt??

Crazy, thank god my credit line is not high

and some people said CC has better protection than debit card. LOL
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Usually cc take few days for transaction to go through no meh. Bank can cancel it if you report straight away.
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QUOTE(loon90 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM)
I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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lazada and shopee mana ada OTP for credit card top-up. this is why i deleted all my CC from malaysia online shopping sites. too dangerous. i top-up using online transfer only.
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Don’t buy shit using your cc on shady online sites ie: prawn sites
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post Aug 20 2021, 12:19 AM

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which cave you living in?

not all credit card transactions will ask for OTP.

even Shopee also dont ask OTP.
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QUOTE(tongsanfish @ Jun 23 2021, 11:00 PM)
is u got saved ur cc on shopee, it wont ask for otp for topup.. really gila that one
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If you save your details on e-commerce sites, it'll bypass the OTP. Using SMSes as a 2FA is so archaic and stupid these days since you can clone them. Not to mention the fact that our shitty local banks will just wash their hands of all responsibility even though it's their duty to detect fraud and reverse fraudulent transactions. Otherwise what's the benefit of even having a CC over a debit card?
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I don't get this one.

Banks say they sent OTP but the victim say didn't receive. So can say also maybe victim play dumb.

But bank don't want to say who receive the OTP to protect privacy which is fair. But that means someone else and not victim receive OTP isn't it? If it was the victim who got the OTP then bank would say send OTP to victim correctly. So victim lie la then

Also, if the detail for OTP suddenly changed to scammer, then shouldn't the victim receive notification of changes? Which shitty bank no notify of detail changes?
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Conlanfirm put credit card info into shopee
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Yesterday my maybank visa cc got unauthorized transaction. luckily i happen to hold my phone. got notification on m2u aps.

steam purchase YEN 125. Terus call CS. 20 minit baru dapat cakap. so they blocked my card.

after hang up i noticed another notification steam purchased with time stamp 7 minutes after the first one. this time HKD550.

i call CS again. they just told me to sent dispute form if it reflected in statement. but MAE apps got receipt for both purchase.

last time my maybank visa cc also kana itunes card purchase USD100. my amex also kan euro train purchase EUR400.

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QUOTE(loon90 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:52 PM)
I used Maybank to topup my eWallet also will prompt notification. Impossible his won’t prompt already and if the bank check back with SMS gateway company and says the OTP was delivered and can check received or not then he GGed
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Not when the OTP is sent to a different number without the cardholder's knowledge.
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That is why I permanently changed my card limit from RM50k to RM5k.
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QUOTE(pakmulau @ Aug 20 2021, 01:45 AM)
Yesterday my maybank visa cc got unauthorized transaction. luckily i happen to hold my phone. got notification on m2u aps.

steam purchase YEN 125. Terus call CS. 20 minit baru dapat cakap. so they blocked my card.

after hang up i noticed another notification steam purchased with time stamp 7 minutes after the first one. this time HKD550. 

i call CS again. they just told me to sent dispute form if it reflected in statement. but MAE apps got receipt for both purchase.

last time my maybank visa cc also kana itunes card purchase USD100. my amex also kan euro train purchase EUR400.
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Damn did u get the refund?
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Jun and now only complain? He no need to serve his cc bill monthly? Sounds fishy
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use only prepaid cc on the online shopping i.e. big pay, same goes for grab/foodpanda and others, all only prepaid cc

topup only when we need to buy something.

keep cc out of the online shopping platform.
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QUOTE(kons @ Aug 20 2021, 09:04 AM)
use only prepaid cc on the online shopping i.e. big pay, same goes for grab/foodpanda and others, all only prepaid cc

topup only when we need to buy something.

keep cc out of the online shopping platform.
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some deals / CC offers do need to link CC tho...i guess just rmbr to delete after
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can claim dispute ma...

however need to always check your CC statement. if not mistaken got limit how long after statement can dispute
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QUOTE(ken431256 @ Aug 20 2021, 09:06 AM)
some deals / CC offers do need to link CC tho...i guess just rmbr to delete after
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dont save the card.
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He said: “I did not perform the transactions. All my online shopping apps also do not reflect the amounts in the transactions using my credit cards,” he said, adding that he cancelled all three cards and lodged a police report after that.

The fraudulent transactions were not done in his shopping apps so cc were used on scammers accounts?
Nothing to do with saved cards in his shopping app right?
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QUOTE(HokkienMee_Lover @ Aug 20 2021, 01:21 AM)
Conlanfirm put credit card info into shopee
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But even if put credit card details into Shopee, someone must be able to access his phone to use Shopee right?
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Aug 20 2021, 10:00 AM)
But even if put credit card details into Shopee, someone must be able to access his phone to use Shopee right?
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That's what I'm thinking
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Only cheapo android user have this scam issues, some fake e-wallet provider will attach apk for you to install their apps prior to that...

The installed apk will intercept all OTP...

You have to be very smart to use android..

iPhone you can’t do that...100x safer..

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QUOTE(koraget @ Jun 24 2021, 01:48 PM)
Its seems that some of the vendor can activate without having any OTP.
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I think must put law transactions without OTP is invalid.

Second, OTP is outdated. Should use token generated by bank apps. Double protected by your hand phone password. E.g Maybank has it.
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QUOTE(swanlover @ Aug 20 2021, 10:06 AM)
Only cheapo android user have this scam issues, some fake e-wallet provider will attach apk for you to install their apps prior to that...

The installed apk will intercept all OTP...

You have to be very smart to use android..

iPhone you can’t do that...100x safer..
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I concur. Sometimes my mother will ask me about those repeating SMS/Whatsapp in her android phone asking for approval. dry.gif
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My cc also kena last month, 380 Euros charged buying some fake hair from a Finland website. No notification, no OTP sent to me.

I caught it on the same day because there is another unauthorized transaction, RM 3 from Steam. This prompted an notification and I was like WTH and go and check my online banking then discovered the 380 Euros. God bless Gaben for helping me out
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Aug 20 2021, 10:00 AM)
But even if put credit card details into Shopee, someone must be able to access his phone to use Shopee right?
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if his shopee account got hacked, but i would go with some other replies here saying the apk installed from unknown sources
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QUOTE(HokkienMee_Lover @ Aug 20 2021, 10:19 AM)
if his shopee account got hacked, but i would go with some other replies here saying the apk installed from unknown sources
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so many pop up nowadays on phone, kesian those old ppl dunno what is fake or real
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QUOTE(pakmulau @ Aug 20 2021, 01:45 AM)
Yesterday my maybank visa cc got unauthorized transaction. luckily i happen to hold my phone. got notification on m2u aps.

steam purchase YEN 125. Terus call CS. 20 minit baru dapat cakap. so they blocked my card.

after hang up i noticed another notification steam purchased with time stamp 7 minutes after the first one. this time HKD550. 

i call CS again. they just told me to sent dispute form if it reflected in statement. but MAE apps got receipt for both purchase.

last time my maybank visa cc also kana itunes card purchase USD100. my amex also kan euro train purchase EUR400.
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Damn, this is scary.

Did you actively purchased from steam before this?

It's kinda scary when you read this news that the bank won't even responsible and the engineer to pay the 40k debt.
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QUOTE(apieh23 @ Aug 20 2021, 09:07 AM)
can claim dispute ma...

however need to always check your CC statement. if not mistaken got limit how long after statement can dispute
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Did you even read?

that engineer guy already dispute with the bank and the bank won't even responsible because it's his own fault
now he needs to pay the 40k debt
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QUOTE(The Residences @ Aug 20 2021, 01:11 PM)
Did you even read?

that engineer guy already dispute with the bank and the bank won't even responsible because it's his own fault
now he needs to pay the 40k debt
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Had a feeling was sendiri purchase and realized can't pay up, so report to get free waiver . Lol
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Damn did u get the refund?
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that yen 125 already refund but for hkd 550

bank ask me to wait for statement before email the dispute form to them
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QUOTE(The Residences @ Aug 20 2021, 01:08 PM)
Damn, this is scary.

Did you actively purchased from steam before this?

It's kinda scary when you read this news that the bank won't even responsible and the engineer to pay the 40k debt.
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no i never have steam account

this cc i only use in shopee/sogo for online purchase

but few days ago i received shopee scam whatsapp message which offer you part time job

i replied hahaha then delete the message

this is second time my maybank visa got unauthorized transaction

 

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