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Is Engineering degree harder than ACCA?
 
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koraget
post Jun 7 2021, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jun 7 2021, 10:13 PM)
Maybe can share which university prospectus or course outcome document showing they teach C++ in traditional engineering field?

At least not for Universiti Malaya, because I studied there. Its either Matlab or Fotran.

I don't have much time to entertain you but look at this from NUS.

https://ivle.nus.edu.sg/V1/lms/public/view_...From=StuViewBtn
https://ivle.nus.edu.sg/V1/lms/public/view_...From=StuViewBtn
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And yet you are here...Why bother to go as far as Singapore instead of we have some example for the Malaysia part. LOL.


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post Jun 7 2021, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Jun 7 2021, 11:07 PM)
Toughness in terms of maths/calculations: Engineering

Toughness in terms of things to remember: ACCA

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Want to get rich legally: Join any ruling political party
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Darkripper
post Jun 7 2021, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(hellothere131495 @ Jun 7 2021, 10:44 PM)
Even for electrical engineering the students still study that course covering C++. Btw, E&E is a traditional engineering fields. You've left it out. Such a popular traditional field how come you can forget?

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Still didn't read the bracket huh?

Sure bro, you happy then okay dy lel.
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post Jun 7 2021, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jun 7 2021, 09:50 PM)
Ya lo. And who will be the one who decide how to configure the AI for financial reporting?

According to Liamness, it is the engineer who studied 4 years in uni. Engineers are the master race.  rclxms.gif

All hail Liamness the holy saviour.
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Man Liamness dont speak for all of us

And i seriously hope he's really an engineer and not some troll googling cos he sure love to pick fights haha
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post Jun 7 2021, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(hellothere131495 @ Jun 7 2021, 10:32 PM)
Yes C++ was taught in my uni for Electronics major students. This was 20+ years ago, back when MMU was actually Universiti Telekom

PS out of curiosity, whats your current status? Still studying and having second thoughts? Or just grad and not sure what to do?

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post Jun 7 2021, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jun 7 2021, 07:59 PM)
Ppl say AI can do 1-5 leh. Maybe he come from 100 years in the future. Hahahah.

The general consensus is AI and automation can takeover the bulk of the work in financial reporting and auditing that nobody likes to do to begin with. There are a few areas of financial reporting and auditing that AI can never takeover.

If the day comes that AI is really that smart, then AI can takeover engineers job too.
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unless 3D printing takes off big time, and can produce reliable parts that is both weatherproof, EN, FM/UL certified, and safe for industrial usage, then I'm afraid my sorry ass , my company and my product will still be needed.

And like I've said, most of my job can't be done through automation or AI, yet. Perhaps it is also not worth it to automate my job as the volume & market cap isn't worth the effort or justification.

Meanwhile, there is a huge value proposition to get rid of thousands of accountants, close offices and overheads. Who knows what AI can and will do to boost your company bottom line and hence, increase their share price and profit.

Afterall, your company should be stock listed and everything that they do is geared towards maximizing profits.


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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jun 7 2021, 09:30 PM)
I'm pretty sure traditional engineering course (civil, chemical, mechanical) doesn't teach C++.
Btw, those who think that AI will replace accountant/doctor/lawyer is so naive, they will work alongside them. A software system is pretty damn fragile, you think that it can handle everything so smoothly? Just look at driverless tech, how many years of hype already?
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Indons teaching Python to 2nd year chemical engineering students already. Malaysia also same la..



Programming is fundamental subject for engineers..

Fyi, engineers also have to do some finance & accounting courses too. I personally found those course way too easy. No wonder I always saw finance students leaving exam halls early. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(koraget @ Jun 7 2021, 11:00 PM)
And yet you are here...Why bother to go as far as Singapore instead of we have some example for the Malaysia part. LOL.


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bro, alot of the courses already updated to teach python too.

Those new engineers are coming out with updated programming knowledge.

anyways, programming is clearly part of an engineer course and very fundamental too. I can't imagine any course not having teach basic programming or coding in this day and age. tongue.gif

It's a fundamental skill! Pity those finance grads who don't know how to code haha..
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 8 2021, 12:12 AM)
bro, alot of the courses already updated to teach python too.

Those new engineers are coming out with updated programming knowledge.

anyways, programming is clearly part of an engineer course and very fundamental too. I can't imagine any course not having teach basic programming or coding in this day and age.  tongue.gif

It's a fundamental skill! Pity those finance grads who don't know how to code haha..
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Man there you go again....be civil dude. You gonna bring down a shit storm soon haha
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jun 7 2021, 08:10 PM)
Since I'm so free now let me entertain you and show you the 1st page of my Google Results.

I didn't cherry pick the articles. All are from my first page of Google Search. I dunno about you, but this does not look "unequivocal and resounding yes" to me. Unless your engineer degree have taught you a different meaning for what "unequivocal and resounding" mean.

https://medium.com/human-unity/will-account...rs-2be8cf966fab
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/education/2...ace-accountants
https://www.toolbox.com/tech/artificial-int...-in-the-future/
https://www.accountingtoday.com/opinion/let...ace-accountants
https://floqast.com/blog/will-robots-take-o...g-is-automated/
https://www.quora.com/Will-accountants-be-r...e-next-20-years
https://www.thesundaily.my/business/will-ar...tants-BE4556056
https://www.itp.net/news/94006-can-ai-and-a...ace-accountants
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I checked the links. These fellas all talk about robots like input data only. Maybe in the early 2000s yes, robots were like this.

But this isn't the case anymore..

They strangely didn't touch on the subject of machine learning AI. Perhaps, they don't understand it.

Machine learning is how our cars are being driven autonomously. Banks are already using machine learning algorithms to make better decisions and drive the banks core businesses. Same thing is happening with accounting too.

Robots no longer just input and sort data. They can begin understanding and reading this data and fine tune itself to make decisions based on what it is reading.

This is what machine learning is all about and why you as an accountant need to take notice of it and how it will impact your field in the not so distant future.

When you begin hearing about your company trialing new software to drive decision making, you need to take notice and recognise the immediate threat that this software will pose to your future. If decisions are being driven by software, you are no longer needed. Best of luck to you.

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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Jun 7 2021, 11:07 PM)
Toughness in terms of maths/calculations: Engineering

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No need ruling. MP get 20k even if not ruling team. laugh.gif
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 8 2021, 12:07 AM)
Indons teaching Python to 2nd year chemical engineering students already. Malaysia also same la..



Programming is fundamental subject for engineers..

Fyi, engineers also have to do some finance & accounting courses too. I personally found those course way too easy. No wonder I always saw finance students leaving exam halls early.  tongue.gif
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Tbh, python is good enough for most engineering applications, I even wrote a couple python scripts to automate my PLAXIS analysis, a day's job done in a click. Just check the result later on.

C++ is focusing too much on the rudimentary part which is only important if you need performance. Time used to develop can easily be cost more than just scaling up ur hardware. Its fun to learn, but pain in the ass to develop on.
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jun 8 2021, 12:28 AM)
No need ruling. MP get 20k even if not ruling team.  laugh.gif
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RM 20K is average salary of /K. Not enough to be considered "kaya". /S
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post Jun 8 2021, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 7 2021, 09:14 PM)
I would think the practical uses of the subjects you mentioned are pretty minimal unless you're in academia

But it does serve to weed out weaker students that are not engineering inclined. Deterring more ppl who are not inclined to take it up would mean less grads competing for the same pool of jobs

Beside it must have prepared you for Huawei

Pretty sure you if you made it pass those subjects and more you wouldnt have a problem going thru the latest 3G PP release documentation, understanding the call flow, KPIs to monitor for troubleshooting or optimisation or signalling structure for network interworking. Consider them an entrance test of the long road ahead haha

PS you still have exams there?
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Just an ex Huawei Intern last year. Maybe Huawei Malaysia isn't RnD focused. Well, Huawei Malaysia pretty much very inclusive community, they accept everyone from any background. As long you start from blank at SPM Level can also become a staff there doing technical work. I have friends mechanical and chemistry and some even physics background there.

So I don't think it is an issue la. In regards to 3GPP documentation I tak tahu too much la, just browse through only. Because my work is more towards Network Data Collection and Analysis, and Project Rollout Tracking.

Huawei Internal Exams have many la. Also need to keep renew license.
Huawei community wise OK la nubbad. Feel very inclusive. Just see some staff work OT until very kesian only. And high turnover rate.
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jun 5 2021, 09:29 PM)
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inbe4 because best brains mostly take medicine and engineering.

only until recent years that science stream students are taking accounting  laugh.gif
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Taking accounting degree is not the same as taking accounting professional paper. ACCA is very much a law based qualification which has heavy emphasis on the accounting standards, almost like studying to be a lawyer, but memorizing and regurgitating will not take you far as the Advanced modules require high degree of critical thinking which a lot of students get stuck for many years.

in my view ranking of accounting qualification in terms of difficulty, from easiest to hardest

CPA Aust
MIA
ICAA (Anzac)
MICPA - used to have dual qual together with ICAA
ACCA / CIMA - this 2 are very different qual. ACCA difficulty is more focused on Audit and Financial reporting papers whereas CIMA is more on management accounting/reporting which requires very high degree of critical thinking and case studies.

CGMA (upgrade CIMA)
ICAEW

Specialty qualifications :
CTIM (Tax)
CIA (internal auditor)
CFA - not exactly an accounting qualification but shares broad similarities with ACCA/ICAEW/CIMA is terms of syllabus.

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post Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 04:07 PM)
I highly suggest you go and look up Palantir machine based learning product and software called Foundry. They are doing this very thing already in the US and Europe with companies like Boeing, Airbus, the US government already on board with them that helps them determine inventory, asset management, predictive failure models, implement cost savings and many more. Palantir is like the Jarvis software of the world and it is capable of doing what you mentioned and so much more.

You only need to google search "Will accountants be replaced by automation" and the answer is an unequivocal & resounding, yes.

Stick your head in the sand. I get that. Nobody likes to be told that they will be obsolete & their profession is under threat from disappearing entirely in a few years time. Nobody likes to hear news like that.

But if you were smart enough to recognise that you cannot and will not be able to compete with automation, you will start building exit strategies. Don't wait until it's too late and one fine day you are told to pack up your things because you are no longer needed.  thumbsup.gif
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Book keepers yes, accountants, yes and no.

The work that im doing today as an accountant i dont really see how AI will takeover anytime soon. We are really far from that. Not impossible though.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 10:52 AM)
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getting a degree will always be harder than some paper qualification.

what more getting a 4 year engineering degree.

The fact of the matter is simple, if one is able to accomplish the feat of getting a proper 4 year engineering degree, then any paper qualification especially not related to engineering is easy.

Doing accounting balance sheets is easy to do because you finished a degree that has much more complex mathematics and patterns. It's not even a debate here.. doing an engineering degree is far more valuable than an accounting one.

And it opens up way more doors aswell.
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False.

1. ACCA does not equal accounting degrees. You can bullshit your way through the degree but not ACCA
2. The "balance sheets" (i believe you're referring to bookkeeping) are just 15% max of the entire ACCA syllabus. Look up ACCA papers and you will realise accountants no longer do what the traditional perception is.

ACCA now requires a higher degree of critical thinking and solving case studies. Especially last few years could see the syllabus trending towards cultivating a consultant mindset for the strategic papers.

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QUOTE(juvaan @ Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM)
Book keepers yes, accountants, yes and no.

The work that im doing today as an accountant i dont really see how AI will takeover anytime soon. We are really far from that. Not impossible though.
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Like I've said, AI is now machine learning and autonomous. It can make decisions based on the book keeping info.

Decisions like how to save money, how to optimize operations, when do you need to replace parts and assets, how and when to declare profits/losses to maximise tax breaks & many more decisions can now be made by intelligent AI software.

The function of an accountant is quickly being removed. Not just for book keeping, but for critical functions and decision making too. The CFO is no longer going to be a position helmed by a person, it will be an AI robot who plays that role in the next 2-5 years.
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ACCA
The lecturer is another person
The person who set the exam questions another person
The person who mark your answer script another person
Nobody know each other

Engineering
The lecturer is your university lecturer
The person who set the exam questions is your university lecturer
The person who mark your answer script is your university lecturer

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