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post Dec 31 2021, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 29 2021, 06:04 PM)
Bonus gone so now let’s whether can outperform more by 20% of OPR next year  doh.gif
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QUOTE(dummies @ Dec 31 2021, 12:16 PM)
versa remove the overnight interest, does that means no more extra bonus unit will be given anymore?
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no overnight interest = No bonus?? betul kah?
I dont think so.

I check my Versa, can see overnight interest is separate entity from BONUS
Versa RM called me, seems like only overnight interest will stop


QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 30 2021, 02:25 AM)
Read about price adjustments after payout with adjustment units

2.46% it is only projected based on 2020 while this year the maximum if you lucky it will be 2% but high unlikely will be around 1.95%  doh.gif
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1.95% also better than nothing lah

QUOTE(teslaman @ Dec 30 2021, 03:30 PM)
2.46% is too small.

Capital this size, better invest elsewhere.
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just parking short term only, waiting to attack SSPNi in Mac 22

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Dec 30 2021, 06:11 PM)
The "dropped" amount is due to payouts of dividends affecting unit price. Give a few days and it will "grow" back to past price.

At this amount of capital you might as well put in a high-yield savings account, can easily beat Versa's rate.

You need to understand, Versa/StashAway Simple are functionally a more liquid form of FD (since it's investment houses putting your money in large business-sized FD accounts), and they'll follow interest rate trends for fixed deposit. Fixed deposits for 2021 have been hovering a little under 2%p.a. for non-promo rates.

2.46% p.a. is 'projected' rate based on last year, and based on what's been happening this year the cumulative rate is only around 2% p.a. for the year 2021, at most.

What happens next year will depend on Overnight Policy Rate changes imposed by Bank Negara.

You cannot look at Versa as an investment vehicle unless you're already older in age or cannot tolerate ups and downs in market.

ASB/EPF give better rates if you want to "invest" without seeing amount go down.
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high yield i heard is SCB, but seems quite cumbersome ,tied to regular topup use its credit cards etc

i use it for liquidity parking, still better return than my other parking vehicle eUT PMMF....but PMMF same day can get money


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post Dec 31 2021, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(dummies @ Dec 31 2021, 12:16 PM)
versa remove the overnight interest, does that means no more extra bonus unit will be given anymore?
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QUOTE(dummies @ Dec 31 2021, 12:26 PM)
thx! got it...basically no more bonus given if we deposit fund on friday , weekend or during public holiday
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dont get confused with Overnight Interest and Rebate/Bonus (since Jul/Aug 2021)

1) Overnight Interest What is overnight interest? – Versa Asia
2) Rebate/Bonus What is rebate and how do I earn rebates ? – Versa Asia
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Dec 31 2021, 03:55 PM)
dont get confused with Overnight Interest and Rebate/Bonus (since Jul/Aug 2021)

1) Overnight Interest What is overnight interest? – Versa Asia
2) Rebate/Bonus What is rebate and how do I earn rebates ? – Versa Asia
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Yes very different lah

Overnight interest chicken feed only,
Bonus is different
but i understand it is given only if Versa unable to get the projected return for the month,
sort of top up to pacify us.


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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 31 2021, 02:02 PM)
no overnight interest = No bonus?? betul kah?
I dont think so.

I check my Versa, can see overnight interest  is separate entity from BONUS
Versa RM called me, seems like only overnight interest will stop
1.95% also better than  nothing lah
just parking short term only, waiting to attack SSPNi in Mac 22
high  yield i heard is SCB, but seems quite cumbersome ,tied to  regular topup use its credit cards etc

i use it for liquidity parking, still better  return than my other parking vehicle eUT PMMF....but PMMF same day  can get money
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Overnight interest is a bonus feature not bonus payout which either referral or adjustments added from AHAM doh.gif
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post Jan 1 2022, 09:05 PM

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How much return do you guys get for complete year 2021?

The fund in Affin Hwang is showing 1.8% only.
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post Jan 2 2022, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Jan 1 2022, 09:05 PM)
How much return do you guys get for complete year 2021?

The fund in Affin Hwang is showing 1.8% only.
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2nd half was bad hence dropped a lot

Put into Frank better than Versa now without overnight interest doh.gif
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post Jan 2 2022, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 2 2022, 03:01 PM)
2nd half was bad hence dropped a lot

Put into Frank better than Versa now without overnight interest  doh.gif
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Is it 1.8% +- in average for the whole year 2021?
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post Jan 2 2022, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Jan 2 2022, 03:34 PM)
Is it 1.8% +- in average for the whole year 2021?
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Yes average over the year

1st 6months was higher and then towards Oct returns hence I moved away to put into other funds doh.gif
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post Jan 4 2022, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 2 2022, 08:28 PM)
Yes average over the year

1st 6months was higher and then towards Oct returns hence I moved away to put into other funds  doh.gif
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what other funds you can recommend other than versa? 1.8% is low so i want to move away some of my funds from versa
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QUOTE(dummies @ Jan 4 2022, 10:34 AM)
what other funds you can recommend other than versa? 1.8% is low so i want to move away some of my funds from versa
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I suggest you go find 6mths FD 1st unless you need quick liquidity then go for SA Simple which still gives 2.1% and additional 0.3% bonus
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 4 2022, 06:14 PM)
I suggest you go find 6mths FD 1st unless you need quick liquidity then go for SA Simple which still gives 2.1% and additional 0.3% bonus
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i saw this article at : https://support.versa.com.my/hc/en-us/artic...I-earn-rebates-, it said, if daily return is lower than 2.46, they will make up the different by giving out bonus, how true is this?

If it is true , that means we will get 2.46 return consistently regardless how the AFFIN HWANG ENHANCED DEPOSIT FUND is performing then i won't move out from versa and continue to stay with them.
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QUOTE(dummies @ Jan 5 2022, 03:14 PM)
i saw this article at : https://support.versa.com.my/hc/en-us/artic...I-earn-rebates-, it said, if daily return is lower than 2.46, they will make up the different by giving out bonus, how true is this?

If it is true , that means we will get 2.46 return consistently regardless how the AFFIN HWANG ENHANCED DEPOSIT FUND is performing then i won't move out from versa and continue to stay with them.
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Yes it is used to be but not anymore and the bonus is up to AHAM to give out quarterly

You can go ahead and put but their market cap has been depreciating by more than 60% ad it is used to be rm1billion and currently it is only barely rm500 million doh.gif

Time to move on and look for 6mths that gives you at least 2.3% pa
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post Jan 9 2022, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 31 2021, 10:54 PM)
Overnight interest is a bonus feature not bonus payout which either referral or adjustments added from AHAM  doh.gif
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But overnight interest amount is too miniscule as you can see from examples above.
So how much it can drag the ROI down??


QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 2 2022, 02:01 PM)
2nd half was bad hence dropped a lot

Put into Frank better than Versa now without overnight interest  doh.gif
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Overnight interest cut hardly has any effect as the amount is very small compared to dividend and bonus.
I read somewhere Frank return 1.8% only, so is no better right?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 9 2022, 06:13 PM)
But overnight interest amount is too miniscule as you can see  from examples above.
So how much  it can drag the ROI down??
Overnight interest  cut hardly has any effect as the amount  is very small compared to dividend and bonus.
I  read somewhere Frank return 1.8% only, so is no better right?
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Exactly, dunno why this guy think overnight interest is a big part of the ROI lol
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 9 2022, 06:13 PM)
But overnight interest amount is too miniscule as you can see  from examples above.
So how much  it can drag the ROI down??
Overnight interest  cut hardly has any effect as the amount  is very small compared to dividend and bonus.
I  read somewhere Frank return 1.8% only, so is no better right?
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If you know to milk it overnight interest was another 0.2% returns on top of it

Bonus another is 0.16% while payout is the worse it is only 0.1% every fortnight

While Frank pays you 1.8%pa the key is liquidity and access as you can withdraw anytime while Versa is only accessible 24hours after withdrawing before cut off on weekdays while 3 days lag when withdraw during weekend doh.gif

The key to Versa is not for returns but temporary parking while waiting for better opportunities doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 10 2022, 03:46 PM)
If you know to milk it overnight interest was another 0.2% returns on top of it

Bonus another is 0.16% while payout is the worse it is only 0.1% every fortnight

While Frank pays you 1.8%pa the key is liquidity and access as you can withdraw anytime while Versa is only accessible 24hours after withdrawing before cut off on weekdays while 3 days lag when withdraw during weekend  doh.gif

The key to Versa is not for returns but temporary  parking while waiting for better opportunities  doh.gif
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Isn't overnight interest the interest you would've lost because of the deposit processing time? So it isn't actually bonus interest? And at most just 1-2 days of their base interest p.a.?

Genuinely curious lol.
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post Jan 11 2022, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 10 2022, 03:46 PM)
If you know to milk it overnight interest was another 0.2% returns on top of it

Bonus another is 0.16% while payout is the worse it is only 0.1% every fortnight

While Frank pays you 1.8%pa the key is liquidity and access as you can withdraw anytime while Versa is only accessible 24hours after withdrawing before cut off on weekdays while 3 days lag when withdraw during weekend  doh.gif

The key to Versa is not for returns but temporary  parking while waiting for better opportunities  doh.gif
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Something wrong you...........very misleading.

overnight interest seems No 1 in your brain,
Number 1 contributor to your ROI at 0.2% ?
How lah ?

See transaction record as proof

tell us how much you managed to milk from overnight interest
Mine only Rm1 - 2 each time i deposit? and paid only once that's it!
Just how much can you collect from that chicken feed ?

Bonus amount at RM50- RM120 , easily 50x more than overnight interest.
paid every month! This is less important than overnight interest?

Payout amount is even bigger at RM200- RM400, easily 100-200x your overnight interest, paid twice a month somemore!
yet you said it is the worst component?

Apa macam lah thinking upside down.............
going for the shillings and dowan the dollars?

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QUOTE(onepunch369 @ Jan 11 2022, 09:06 PM)
Isn't overnight interest the interest you would've lost because of the deposit processing time? So it isn't actually bonus interest? And at most just 1-2 days of their base interest p.a.?

Genuinely curious lol.
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Overnight is an added interest because of precessing time hence it is actually gain

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 11 2022, 11:02 PM)
Something wrong you...........very misleading.

overnight interest seems No 1 in your brain,
Number 1 contributor to your ROI at 0.2% ?
How lah ?

See transaction record as proof

tell us how much you managed to milk from overnight interest
Mine only Rm1 - 2 each time i deposit? and paid only once that's it!
Just how much can you collect from that chicken feed ?

Bonus amount at RM50- RM120 , easily 50x  more than  overnight interest.
paid every month! This is less important than  overnight interest?

Payout amount is even bigger at RM200- RM400, easily 100-200x your overnight interest, paid twice a month somemore!
yet you said it is the worst component?

Apa macam lah thinking upside down.............
going for the shillings and dowan the dollars?
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If you look at the payout from 2021 it is not that great in the scheme as you wouldn’t have the access to the money during weekends and 3 days within the deposit period so you’re actually losing out

If you compared to Frank 1.8% the difference negligible with the 0.1% while losing out on liquidity doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 12 2022, 04:08 AM)
Overnight is an added interest because of precessing time hence it is actually gain
If you look at the payout from 2021 it is not that great in the scheme as you wouldn’t have the access to the money during weekends and 3 days within the deposit period so you’re actually losing out

If you compared to Frank 1.8% the difference negligible with the 0.1% while losing out on liquidity  doh.gif
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tak bole tahan oredi doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Jan 14 2022, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 13 2022, 10:03 PM)
tak bole tahan oredi  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Go ahead and enjoy your minisicule 0.1% when you don’t have access to you’re money 24/7 doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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