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post Jun 1 2021, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(eedwinc @ May 31 2021, 12:15 PM)
Hi, Anyone have seen drop in lifetime gains after payout? Is this normal?  i.e. Yesterday the lifetime gains was rm0.45, today the lifetime gains drop to rm0.21
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It is normal every fortnight after payout issued with lower adjusted NAV and increased units

Lifetime gains not good indicator look at your invested units versus the NAV price
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post Jun 2 2021, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 1 2021, 10:32 AM)
What are the dates "when the units are cheaper" ?
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Every 2 weekends after payout with units price fluctuating between 1.1712 to 1.1713

The key is to use it to gain the weekend overnight interest after payout and withdraw on Thursday after that

Don’t expect much as every rm100 will gives you only rm0.01 interest which is useful only if you are disciplined not to spend on that particular weekend

Daily unit changes are only rm0.00009 per unit hence don’t expect a lot because it is only 2.18% pa yearly and with payout and weekend overnight interest is another 0.9% additional if you know how to time it well
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post Jun 3 2021, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 3 2021, 03:10 PM)
Just opened my VERSA account.... let's see if it's better than my FDs
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Already better than OPR the key is liquidity as FD is a fixed term while MMF is flexible liquidity that is investable to deposits no more than 762 days
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post Jun 9 2021, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 9 2021, 08:58 PM)
As of today everything shows correctly... considered as deposit on 4 Jun 2021.
Even received receipt from Affin-Hwang in my email.
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As long as the cut is after 2.30pm 4 June you stand earn overnight interest of rm0.01 for every rm100 on top

Payout will be this weekend and the next week will be lower price units again which is the cycle every fortnight
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post Jun 12 2021, 04:04 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 10 2021, 09:13 AM)
Is the overnight interest given daily  like GO+ ?
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Overnight interest are only given out on weekends and eve of public holidays to compensate you on for the lag in processing of buying the units

While GO+ is basically converting your TnG credits into Ecash while giving you rubbish returns of lower than daily OPR rate minus 0.45% expense ratio fee hence you will only get between 1.3 to 1.47% pa

The differences is their period methodology while GO+ is daily, Versa is weekly payout and SA Simple is monthly
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 14 2021, 06:27 PM)
Hey there. I'm seeing similar issue:

12 June notification says I got 1.02 units, but
10 June transaction says .87 units acquired

What's more, I just did some calculations on my earning since it's been exactly a month I entered:
RM 1.99 gain with RM 1500 means 1.592% interest p.a.
This is worse than 1 month tenure FD!

FYI, unit nav is 1501.99 ÷ 1282.44 = RM 1.17119709 each
I earned 0.87+0.98=1.85 units, so that means I got RM 2.16671462
This translates to 1.7333717% interest p.a. slightly better, but FD has periodical promotions that offer higher.

So is Versa not that great after all?
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Wait until Wednesday as unit price adjustment has not been completed yet after payout when the new price is 1.1713 which after adjustment which means more units at a lower price

Your final readjusted is RM1502.12 which is 1.696% pa which is simple interest not compounded by fornightly payout which is higher at 2.08% pa

This post has been edited by xander83: Jun 14 2021, 09:10 PM
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post Jun 15 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM)
FD cannot withdraw anytime you like. You withdraw prior maturity, no interest.
Versa can withdraw anytime you like and still get interest. Big difference.
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Agreed as Versa is for liquidity rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 14 2021, 10:44 PM)
Idk about that Wednesday adjustment... I'll hold on to your word until next weekend then.
How did you get RM 2.12? I tried 1.85 unit * 1.1713 = 2.166905, translates to 1.733524%p.a. is still nothing impressive to me..
And where did you get 2.08% p.a. fortnightly payout? This app is fancy with its growing tree and all, but the interest/unit calculations are confusing af...
Does that mean a midweek withdrawal is still eligible for a pro-rated interest? Sounds good, but my expectation for Versa is "better than FD short term investment", for me to accumulate my bullets for overseas investment... For emergency funds, I stick to FD for its best liquidity.
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No need to hold my word as the unit is priced changes every 3 days

2.12 based on after payout with adjustment

2.08%pa is fortnightly payout with adjustment and you can checks from AHAM daily price changes as it was to be even better during month of March and April as it was high as 2.12% pa which seems like due to honeymoon phase onboarding of Versa as the units were as high as 1.1722 before payout adjustment

Anytime withdrawal is available because the unit price accumulation changes with every unit accumulated 0.00009 per unit at every price change since daily
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post Jun 15 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM)
FD cannot withdraw anytime you like. You withdraw prior maturity, no interest.
Versa can withdraw anytime you like and still get interest. Big difference.
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Agreed as Versa is for liquidity rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 14 2021, 10:44 PM)
Idk about that Wednesday adjustment... I'll hold on to your word until next weekend then.
How did you get RM 2.12? I tried 1.85 unit * 1.1713 = 2.166905, translates to 1.733524%p.a. is still nothing impressive to me..
And where did you get 2.08% p.a. fortnightly payout? This app is fancy with its growing tree and all, but the interest/unit calculations are confusing af...
Does that mean a midweek withdrawal is still eligible for a pro-rated interest? Sounds good, but my expectation for Versa is "better than FD short term investment", for me to accumulate my bullets for overseas investment... For emergency funds, I stick to FD for its best liquidity.
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No need to hold my word as the unit is priced changes every 3 days

2.12 based on after payout with adjustment

2.08%pa is fortnightly payout with adjustment and you can checks from AHAM daily price changes as it was to be even better during month of March and April as it was high as 2.12% pa which seems like due to honeymoon phase onboarding of Versa as the units were as high as 1.1722 before payout adjustment

Anytime withdrawal is available because the unit price accumulation changes with every unit accumulated 0.00009 per unit at every price change since daily
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post Jun 16 2021, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 14 2021, 10:44 PM)
Idk about that Wednesday adjustment... I'll hold on to your word until next weekend then.
How did you get RM 2.12? I tried 1.85 unit * 1.1713 = 2.166905, translates to 1.733524%p.a. is still nothing impressive to me..
And where did you get 2.08% p.a. fortnightly payout? This app is fancy with its growing tree and all, but the interest/unit calculations are confusing af...
Does that mean a midweek withdrawal is still eligible for a pro-rated interest? Sounds good, but my expectation for Versa is "better than FD short term investment", for me to accumulate my bullets for overseas investment... For emergency funds, I stick to FD for its best liquidity.
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Update your app to the latest version since there is bugs on the earlier version

Pricing today has been reflected as 1.1714 so your amount is already been readjusted
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post Jun 16 2021, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Jun 16 2021, 05:32 PM)
I've won this from Ringgit Plus Versa campaign.
Has anyone received the airpod?
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Congrats rclxms.gif
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post Jun 19 2021, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 18 2021, 06:23 PM)
Checked Playstore, Versa last update was 9 June so that probably shouldn't be the issue here. I guess it's just their pricing update delay...
The website only has 2 decimal points, unfortunately not helpful to my puny amount tracking lol.

Just checking in today, my account sits at 1502.38/1282.44 units, which translates to pricing of 1.1715012, 1.904% p.a. Indeed looking a lot better... But the ever changing value is confusing and it's giving a perception that I can lose money 😵 does this mean the NAV can only stay or go up in price? Else if it can go down then I assume we should be given equivalent units in return, because my understanding of Versa is like any MMF, there is no negative return.
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It is part of their pricing mechanism which is normal because most MMF are priced in order to extract the profit to payout early

Your calculations are wrong because are using simple method just like FD when the yearly rate is currently at 2.09% after compounded every fortnight because it is not a simple interest calculation doh.gif

NAV price will go down readjusted but you gain in units as the payout is given as unit basis

Even GO+ only can tracked 2 decimal points when the payout reaches rm0.01

In Versa if you’re are holding term just check every fortnight on Wednesday or Thursday on your units holdings will do

QUOTE(CoronaV @ Jun 18 2021, 08:20 PM)
Hi im new to versa
I deposited 1k on 15/6 and it reflected 0.12 lifetime gain today. Is this normal? How to maximise the interest gained?
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Deposit during long weekends and public holiday eve to gain overnight interest with every rm100 will be rm0.01 interest

This post has been edited by xander83: Jun 19 2021, 04:42 AM
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post Jun 24 2021, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 23 2021, 10:12 AM)
I deposited after office hour on Friday till now not reflected is that normal
My first deposit
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It will take 3 days to reflect in your account by today it will show your new holdings

QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 23 2021, 09:43 PM)
Thanks for pointing out about the compounding interest calculation; indeed not a fair comparison to FD then. taking my example (at a 1-month mark so far) however, I am still not getting a 2.09% like you say, can you please show me how you get it?

To keep my calculations simpler, I'm assuming the fortnightly interest to be 1.904% compounding p.a. although that was based on monthly calc. My current calculation returns 1.9215% simple p.a. Breakdown:
There are 52/2 = 26 fortnights in a year
Fortnightly rate, 1 + (0.01904/26) = 1.0007323076923076923076923076923
Annualized, 1.0007323076923076923076923076923^26 = 1.0192153146108898918543119717508

I'm considering to compare other short-term investments so I want to fully understand if I'm using the right methods to calculate.
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Wrong method because compounding doesn’t work that way because of fortnight units payout coupled with daily interest

You need to calculate based of number of units to give the accurate percentage

Currently Versa paying interest at on average 0.00008 to each unit daily which times 365 days which gives to 2.9% after minus the expense and taxes

You need to refer AHAM daily price to refer on how their calculation because the daily price fluctuates between 1.1711 to 1.1722
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Jun 24 2021, 09:02 AM)
Can't use that method you're trying to do, all MMFs based products don't compound in an "easy to calculate with single formula" method. You need to treat it like an unit trust: The only accurate way to gauge is to take the total amount of units you have, times the NAV of the day you're calculating, record that amount down, then continue to track it daily over time. In this case because it's a low volatility MMF, you only need to travck it for a month. You'll get a good idea of the growth rate that way.
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His method is wrong because on fortnightly returns while AHAM EDEP is tracked daily


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post Jun 25 2021, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ Jun 24 2021, 01:18 PM)
Guys, to gain the max overnight interests before withdrawal,

best timing is to withdraw on Friday night?
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Withdraw on Wed or Thursday after payout is the best rclxms.gif

QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 24 2021, 03:02 PM)
Just checked with versa yes they only invest in FDs
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Only FDs up to 762 days maturities hence Versa will always be positive just the return is getting lower now as ppl are starting to withdraw FDs to survive FMCO doh.gif
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post Jun 26 2021, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 25 2021, 05:47 AM)
Y wed and Thursday best
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Wednesday is after adjustment payout while Thursday is payout on Friday

Even if you deposit over the weekend or Monday the transaction will be reflected by Wednesday while Thursday you can withdraw as well which is how MMF works only to earn short term interests only

QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ Jun 25 2021, 09:25 AM)
i withdrew yesterday but the payout only happened this morning haiyoyo

not sure how it works even after reading some info here, quite complicated the way they use units
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If you withdraw yesterday and payout next morning consider fast because it is next business day payout not instant doh.gif
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post Jun 28 2021, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 28 2021, 06:42 AM)
Well I registered a week ago got nth .
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How much did you put in 1st doh.gif

Don’t expect much as it is only paying daily at 0.006% per RM while banks pay you next to nothing doh.gif

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post Jun 29 2021, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Yongkcz @ Jun 28 2021, 03:53 PM)
Can anyone explain why is my available balance diff from total balance?
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Either deposit is still in transit or payout adjustment
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post Jun 30 2021, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Jun 30 2021, 08:53 AM)
sorry if noob question, does the daily interest earning based on total balance or principal?
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On total balance otherwise why would put in the money incrementally doh.gif

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 30 2021, 11:43 AM)
My guess is balance.
https://ringgitplus.com/en/wealth-managemen...et%20Management

No need think about how balance calculated. Just know that can earned interest on any money inside there and can withdraw anytime you like without penalty. Sometimes no need to think so much.
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Agreed most flexibility liquidity and quickest within next business day rclxms.gif

Ppl think too much for just daily gain 0.00006% doh.gif
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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Jun 30 2021, 10:30 PM)
Today I tried to deposit money into Versa using FPX from CIMB Clicks….but the option says Clicks is offline, while other banks are okay….I thought sotong again down, and went to check on actual Clicks website, but no problem there…I could log in.

So, why does that happen in Versa?
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Nothing to do with Versa because FPX issue as it is offline on their end connecting to clicks

Try later during the day and never deposit after 11pm as Versa will be under msintainance then
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post Jul 7 2021, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jul 6 2021, 04:08 PM)
i know it does nothing much... it just i feel i buy more units at lower NAV.. right ?
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No difference from 4 decimal fractional even buy at 1.1711 which is starting point with at least 12000 cash on hand doh.gif

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Jul 7 2021, 01:26 AM)
The difference is only 3 to 4 decimals of a ringgit laugh.gif the difference between 'low' NAV and 'high' NAV will make no significant difference to your profit unless you're depositing in hundreds of thousands and you're doing this for decades (if so, why on earth are you investing into MMFs like Versa which cannot beat inflation or even EPF minimum rate, MMFs should be strictly used for short term deposits)
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That’s penny wise pound foolish and Versa it is only good for weekend and holiday interest otherwise why bother with it

Performance really drop early last month as I notice distribution in rates of 0.0008 per rm1 and if another rate cut is on the cards soon then better off putting it back SA Simple with the new funds instead doh.gif

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