Hahahaha....what ever you need to tell yourself

C'mon alex23....
Gempita and Harimau MT are both have Turkish DNA.
Beside the shape, the turret, wheel and price......let's say both are equal.

The last but not least is transfer of tech MY and ID can get and how both can use the knowledge in the future.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 16 2021, 05:57 PM

Well Alex....no hardware can be used for everything and win in every situation. That is why there are so many variants were designed.

I suggest you learn the purpose/main idea why a hardware was initially designed. There are APC, IFV/AFV, Medium tank, MBT and there are so many rifle and pistol with different caliber exist. For navy there many classes of ship and for AF there are so many types of plane This is the way that we can discuss with logic not just measuring who has the bigger dick or comparing an apple to orange which lead to nowhere in discussion. Not to mention how different hardwares must be operated in the field like a pack of wolf to achieve effectiveness.

ID already start design a new IFV variant using 30mm canon turret on their Harimau MT platform. So when MY will developed Gempita with 105mm cannon? This discussion for me is more interesting. Do MY has a need for 105mm cannon?

Watch this..



Medium tank is not designed to face MBT so as IFV is not designed to face medium tank.
Although IFV or medium tank is equipt with ATGM, I would consider it for "emergency" if situation is unavoidable.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 18 2021, 08:11 AM

Fact check

Harimau uses the newest cockerill 105mm turret 3105 which is a high pressure type. I found it this type of turret is gteat. It has elevation -10 to 42 degree which can be used for direct or indirect fire and it can throw ATGM falarick.
Harimau/Kaplan MT is initially designed for medium tank and later developed to IFV.
SG bionix and SK K21 who were designed initially as IFV.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 18 2021, 07:41 AM

Alex....
True...gempita with 30mm can penetrate harimau standard skin with no add-on armour attached. But like I said IFV is not designed to be a tank killer. No need to insist using it more than what it is designed for. The Ingwe is for emergency situation. We wont put any gempita on emergency situation.

You only focus on strenght of 30mm cannon and 105mm weakness...in reality it is not easy to find a situation to support that.
You forget about 105mm strength. This 105mm ammo has both longer range and firepower. An ammo of 105mm enough already to blow gempita up. How to get closer without detected is another different story', isnt it?

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 18 2021, 11:08 AM

Ok...Alex
I wont argue on what somebody belief.
I just want to point' out that no hardwares can do everything and win in every situation.

Even a man with portable ATGM can destroy an MBT. What do I know.....

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 18 2021, 03:12 PM

How ready this time?

I mean....how ready this ship compare to last one?
Guarantee no more fire this time?

Hmmmm....
I almost forgot even he US also start the MPF project acquring 105mm tank.
Bionix and K21 also adopted 105mm cannon.

Maybe TDM should consider it.
105mm cannon can be put on gempita.

This turret is on demand now....
It offers new great features.

Jaguar ebrc 6x6 can fill TDM requirement for UN mission.

Look prettier than bionix....

ID has done their homework hope no fire alarm this time.
It is BNS turn when will launch the LCS?

Griffin rather looks like MRAP than APC. No problem really but I like APC better than MRAP for UN mission.
Maybe TDM can ask a modified jaguar with smaller weapon and troop space

Maybe there are 2 different size of OPV or different spesification.

This OPV design reminds me of Lekiu or nakhoda ragam.

If there is no big plan on building locally in big number there is no need to build facility for building up to 4 subs and 2 midget sub simultaneously

True....MY is not an expeditionary force. ATM is not built to achieve expeditionary capabilities.
IMO, only ID can but limited.TNI has many support equipments for airlift and sealift. TNI has experiences moving personnel and equipment in long distance.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Aug 30 2021, 10:34 AM

Let's check how much they spend to build them and compare to LMS....