Want them to succeed?

Do like Korea. Buy local even if it is not cost effective.

Like just buy 100+ new Surion even if need to retire still perfectly operational Blackhawks.

Want deftech to survive? Buy Gempita 8x8 second batch.

Want SMEO to survive? Buy ammo from SMEO periodically, and sell old ammo overseas.

Want BNS to survive? Continue the Gowind project.

So compare PTDI to Embraer?

Brazil Embraer is many times more successful than PTDI.

Business jets (Phenom, Praetor), passenger jets (E-Jet), trainer (super tucano) all very popular all over the world.

I don't get it?..

Is he's talking about creating domestic military industrial complex or to seek timbang balas from foreign purchase?

the technical side of me has always searching and looking at the latest technologies that can be fitted/implemented into.

For my alexLMS, although I have never said about this, I have been closely looking and studying about this technology since early this year. And I am amazed to see it included on this Damen concept.

Well, don't overestimated them then 😉

While our politikus are disinterest their politicians give impression that's they going to get everything under the sun. Doubt they going to get 30ffm  on top of fremm nor Rafale on top of f15. It would likely be one or the other, rather than both.

ndonesia reveals USD125 billion military modernisation plan
by Jon Grevatt & Andrew MacDonald Jun 1, 2021, 11:12 AM

A draft regulation from Indonesia’s presidential office has outlined the requirement for investment of USD125 billion in military modernisation through to the mid-2040s....

A draft regulation from Indonesia’s presidential office has outlined the requirement for investment of USD125 billion in military modernisation through to the mid-2040s. The funding proposal is indicative of Indonesia’s military ambitions and its growing concerns about regional security.

The draft regulation – entitled ‘Fulfilling the Defence and Security Equipment Needs of the Ministry of Defence and Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) 2020-24’ – was issued recently but requires various approvals from ministries and the House of Representatives before enactment. The investment plan also highlights Indonesia’s continuing dependency on foreign loans.

Indonesia has stated a requirement for funding worth USD125 billion in military investment through to the mid-2040s. The country’s modernisation requirements are thought to include Lockheed Martin F-16V fighter aircraft.  (Lockheed Martin)
Indonesia has stated a requirement for funding worth USD125 billion in military investment through to the mid-2040s. The country’s modernisation requirements are thought to include Lockheed Martin F-16V fighter aircraft. (Lockheed Martin)

The proposed regulation details the requirement for USD124.9 billion for TNI modernisation funding over a period of five ‘strategic plans’ each lasting five years. The first strategic plan runs 2020–24 and coincides with the final phase of the TNI’s Minimum Essential Force (MEF) programme, while the last will be 2040–44.

The document proposes funding of USD79 billion for defence equipment during this 25-year period, USD32.5 billion for sustainment, and the remaining USD13.4 billion for interest payments on foreign loans.

The regulation prioritises sourcing TNI modernisation requirements from local industry. However, it states, “In the event that domestic products cannot be [procured], then foreign products can be used.”

When defence equipment is imported, the regulation identifies the requirement to enforce “technology transfers and offsets” to support local industry’s involvement in the procurement. This industrial strategy also includes the provision of countertrade through which Indonesia seeks to export local commodities in part exchange for materiel.

That is a plan budget until up to around 2045. A budget for 15 years.

All the buy that you mention is only to about 2024.

of what you mention

FREMM would be about 7 billion dollars
AH140 should be less than 1 billion dollars
F-15EX should be at least 5 billion dollars, similarly for the Rafale.

next would be submarines, at least 50 KFX/IFX, more C-130J hercules, hundreds of the expensive Harimau tanks, 8-10 Mogami Frigates..
To compare, Malaysian defence development budget for 10 years up till 2030 is expected to be just about 7-9 billion dollars.

World War III with China ‘possible’: Taiwan asks Australia for help

China is increasingly acting out its long-stated intention to invade Taiwan, and the West needs to be ready should the conflict escalate into World War III, experts say.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/p...7da8b9bc8d66c62

In the next GE, if there is a 3rd choice other than the current government or opposition, better pick the 3rd choice.

For malaysian future MRCA requirements, I have no issues if TUDM go for the KF-X. We need a fighter that we can afford not just to buy, but a fighter that we can afford to fly, of which the F-35 is probably not. F-35 is single engined, while KF-X is twin engined, for redundancy on overwater missions. The fact that Indonesia is going to use it should not be a factor at all.

In my opinion,

ID or at the very least Probowo ain't stupid to continue with large military footprint doctrines. They are well versed in western doctrines of few platforms to acquired a technological edge. They afterall spend as much as SG but have no power projection capabilities compared to SG.

So keeping large military footprint doesn't do ID any favors at all. It just something they do before because terpaksa rather than they wanted too. ID back then has bad record in human right abuse. But most of their human right abuse stem from their inability to provide wealth to their citizens beyond java.

Bebas aktif is just a nice name to we are scared of sanction to secure own country create an almost juche situation that spill to their economic situation. The lack of intergration with other countries, export & FDI created a unstable economic environment & rupiah values resulting in the lack of ability to acquired debt and thus no ability to develop their economy & infrastructure. Which created a pocket of dissented that seek seperation in the first place.

I don't expect modernization in TNI-AD because it's dual roles is defense & protecting the 'intergtity' of kesatuan Indonesia. They can't afford it for as long as the other islands aren't develop and wealthy. But for AF & navy they can and should modernize.

ID objective is to take advantage of US desperation to counter china to strengthen themselves and so by 2040 they can play abang besar kawasan. US want ID help to counter china but not to overdo it and allowed ID to be a abang besar kawasan without any kind of a leashes to tie ID.

So they do want to move away from bebas aktif doctrines that comes at the expenses of their economy & military might. Remember the difference in MY & ID aerospace industry size? They can be bigger than us if they choose not to be bebas aktif anymore. They like us are seeking US relationship not just for defense but more so for economic purposes.

the rafales deal is there because US refuse to sell them f15 initial. F16 has limited range which make it less than ideal for operation in ID.  They would need to buy a lot of F16 to cover their entire country, but they can reduce the number of jet  they need by using  F15 or Rafale or keep the same number of jet and be very powerful. US are reluctant to sell them F15 because of it range & technology advantage mean it can threaten Aussie & SG as well.  Off course ID would ceases to be a threats when they join in and intergrated their economy & defense platforms to their neighbors & western powers. Which is what ID want to do probably.

Buying both F15 & Rafale doesn't help ID to be more powerful, it make them weak due to the high cost of supporting multiple platforms and buying multiple missiles something that our AF has experience before. If they wanted to be strong they just choose 1 over the other like what we currently plans to do. If they ddidn't .& still acquired both then it mean they don't want to be as strong as possible. Which is good for us ( & SG too) in economics terms i guess.

I think you know it already

KFX is exactly what people buy if they don't wish to pew pew china.

RMAF CN235 MPA conversion during test flight at PT Dirgantara Indonesia facility. Credit to Ali Fahmun.



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Big win for the Philippines.
12 F16 for half the previous price