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Lampuajaib
post Jun 2 2021, 08:00 AM

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Let's just say sending 16 planes in formation is already planned not just coincidence.
They sent 1 or 2 before and 16 planes now. What next?
16 ships? 16 fighters?

MY should look at "sign" that other nations react on what is happening on SCS. The UK and French already show their muscle in SCS, maybe Italy and Germany will follow.

Even ID big military spending is on the way. The action that is not needed if no big threat is incoming sometime in the future. The only way to avoid worst scenario happened is sending massage to the intruder that we will insist defending our teritory at all cost.

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post Jun 2 2021, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Jun 2 2021, 08:03 AM)
You mean UK french italy and germany will come to intrude sarawak like how they plan to intrude SCS?
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Maybe we should put you in front line if CCP first wave is coming
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post Jun 4 2021, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 3 2021, 07:50 PM)
I don't even know if there is one nation in SEA that brave enough against CAATSA.

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post Jun 4 2021, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 3 2021, 07:45 PM)
Not about tak are duit.
TUDM want a magical jet that can

1)be a lift like Aermacchi
2) be a close air support like hawk
3) be an interceptor like MIG.

While politicians be it from PH & PN talk about MY building their own jet plane.

Basically they all wanted a jet that doesn't exist (yet!)

You could buy amerachi or fa-50 for 30mil USD. But once you want to shoot BVR it going to cost 50 mil USD which is basically the price of Gripen E. All of these jet had limited user so don't expect to used them for long.

Thought i come across this website which predict the development path of T7A as a spiritual successor to F5 with available license production to allies country so they can maintain/build/upgrade it themselves.

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https://warontherocks.com/2017/05/reclaimin...proven-success/
Thought it nice and all but the earliest not fighting capable jet can only be had by 2024 or 2028 for combat capable version (assuming US got the funding to build it in the 1st place). Meanwhile 36 of our Sukhoi & hawk aren't being 'upgraded' so basically if anything happens we are only down to almost nak roboh 8 bijik hornet.

Off cause even if Canada acquired those Gripen and we tumbang sekaki, they going to modified it kaw kaw as it would only be operational by 2028. US navy also looking for a hawk replacement again only available by 2028.

So assuming MY want US jet there's won't be any available for again at least 2028.

We could thank mamakthir for this. If he had gone for a full hornet + hawk fleet we still have 80 plane available and are flying rather than now where we can realistically count on 8 hornet.

Maybe we should go cry to uncle Sam to let us have f35 for now as their LCA aren't available for 10 more years. Technically there enough budget in this RM to buy either 36 Fa-50 or 15 f35A.
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F35 is a big No. The queue is too long. US will sell it after minimum her allies need are fullfilled.
Too expensive to operate and maintain.
Anti Stealth radar could be invented sometime in the near future.

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post Jun 5 2021, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 4 2021, 05:52 PM)
More like they won't sell it to us until we give up on our Sukhoi.
But our Sukhoi are only 10 years old & our hornet can still fly for 10 more years. That's why the target is 2030.

But F35 are useless as an interceptor or close air support though. Not to mention it kinda useless jet to use against Chinese & Russian. So it not just her Allies, even US themselves are cutting order for the f35.

There's a reason why they mate a Gripen C body to a hornet head & call it T7. It won't take that much work to mate a Gripen E  body to a advance super hornet head and get the rumored  kingsnake.

Not to mention now they already have the T7. It would be quiet impossible for us to get the fa-50. They would drag their feet at the approval stage due to murican tech in the fa-50  just like they did to other prospective Griffon buyers.
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F35 is not F22.
F35 is made to be sold to US allies and friend. MY is friend while SG is Ally. All alies nations are very important is some ways because they will support US policy and interest. All aliies nation will be given priority and "full package" in US weapon system'. The luxury of US friend nations will not have.

All production of F35 are given to US and her allies at the moment. That is not a bad thing for MY. IMO, only F35 block 10 is considered a "full" ready in combat. Sadly even US will dump early F35 production that they received rather than upgrade it.
But even if F35 block 10 is already produced, it doesnt mean that MY can get it. All US friend will get "less" than her allies. Maybe MY can get the block 10 after block 20 is produced.

At this moment we don't know exactly how effective is F35 against Russia/China srealth fighter. There are many analysis but on paper only.

I don't think we should be too choosy on LIFT/LCA. No need for gold plated one, just check list all the RMAF requirements. RMAF needs LCA more than MRCA. The problem is RMAF is now in need to replace The Migs.

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post Jun 6 2021, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 12:14 AM)
memang besi buruk pun
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RMAF is really in need to replace those Migs.
Better split the 36 units LCA aquisition plan into 18 units of LCA and 18 units of Mig replacement. Gripen or Rafale is my first 2 choice.

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post Jun 7 2021, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 7 2021, 08:47 PM)
Cockerill 3030 gun stabilization test on the Indonesian X18 Combat Boat.


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That will answer about accuracy
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM)
i don't think we would get the t50.
Simply because if we wanted too we would had purchased it already.
Not to mention it's our tradition to not buy what our neighbors buy.
Since all our neighbors had bought it so obviously we won't buy it. tongue.gif

Personally i think they all bought the T50 simply because its basically a mini f16.unlike all our immediate neighbor, we don't have any f16 around.

But T7 is basically a mini hornet, same avionics,same engine and such.
sizable USAF deal make it way cheaper than t50.its 27 mil a piece inclusive of simulator. 

T7 is also a very big plane, more JF-17/Gripen in size then to a pure LIFT.so plenty of space to put stuff in. It would be compatible with all our weapons something t50 couldn't do.

Boeing & sabb both has awac that can be included in the deals. LM & KAI has no awac to offer.

Not to mention Saab are open towards the prospect of local assembly. A very easy way to commit the gov to buy plenty of something and to spurned off a new industry.

So there's you go. The only candidates that ticks all the box's for LCA requirement is T7. Except right now it's still a paper plane.  Even if they managed to roll it out of assembly it's still an incomplete and immature platforms. But eventually compared to the rest, it has the brightest future with the best ultilities.

Not to mention by having a Saab factory locally and churned out t7 for 15 years. By 2035 it can churn out the tempest pulak.
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Can RMAF wait for T7?
It is still in prototype stage. The USAF already booked for 350 units.

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post Jun 10 2021, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 10 2021, 06:47 PM)
Wow....
I"m speechless....
Is it real?
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post Jun 11 2021, 05:40 PM

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12 FA-50 + 12 Gripen C/D
Tak lama lagi dah MY pun kena pintas pinoy

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post Jun 12 2021, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(biruNippon @ Jun 12 2021, 03:10 PM)
Very sad to see this.

Yea, i am surprised with how Indonesia managed to continue all the procurements. Can see majority of the military news posted here were from them
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Actually, ID buys in batches in small numbers but they have consistency. Their defence spending in % gdp is the lowest compare to other major asean nations.

AFAIK....this time could be the first major procurement involving USD $125 bn.

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post Jun 13 2021, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 13 2021, 12:53 AM)
Janganlah jelous

KFX is basically just a good looking clone of FA18 that make to look like F22. The RCS of KFX is higher than that of griffin.

Off cause
Not like they need to figure shit out on their own,
They can just pay Lockheed for it.

as for the carrier
Just look at the amount of angmoh around from Babcock to Fincantieri
At the event offering licencing deals
So it's not like they are taking in a soviet era aircraft carrier & MIG , spy stuff around and have to figure out on their own how to make it works in the modern age all by themselves. Infact both their carrier & KFX would be operational from day one since it mostly a license copy  of existing proven products.
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Gripen RCS is 1m but KFX RCS is 0.1m while F35 rcs is 0.05-0.01 m.
Shape is the main factor to reduce RCS.
Gripen is still using conventional shape but KFX is not.
Looking at KFX roadmap, The initial block KFX doesnt have weapon internal bay (WIB) because Indonesia requirement for long range jet that need bigger fuel tank which make the rcs still big for 5th gen fighter.
Looking at the roadmap, KFX next block will have WIB which will reduced the rcs further but could reduced the operational range.

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post Jun 13 2021, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jun 9 2021, 06:11 PM)
CVX CLASS AIRCRAFT CARRIER (LPX-II / 대형수송함-II)
Hyundai Heavy Industries CVX Class Aircraft Carrier (LPX-II)
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The development of F35B VTOL has made smaller carrier is possible for small defence force, but I would say this carrier is just a"modified" LHD size.

Even ID and SG have this "carrier" design which is basically a strecthed LPD.

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post Jun 13 2021, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 12 2021, 06:06 PM)
Pinoy first sub will be frech scorpene or SK Chang bogo.
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post Jun 13 2021, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 13 2021, 07:40 AM)
The KF-X Block 3 will be full stealth with IWB.

KF-X Internal Weapon Bay:

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The term is IWB not WIB....my mistake.
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post Jun 13 2021, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 13 2021, 02:56 PM)

so ID was quite correct in ditching it and go for the rafale.
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ID still a partner in KFX...
A very busy day for them in the coming years...
Let"s see if ID plan getting F-15EX is on the news

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Korea Aerospace is assembling 5 prototypes of KF-21 Fighter Jet
Our Bureau12:23 PM, June 12, 20212493

Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is assembling five more prototypes of its KF-21 fighter jet after the first prototype was rolled-out on April 9.

The first prototype is currently in the building opposite the assembly line, where its insides are exposed for ground testing which will take another year or so, a report in South Korean media outlet Hankyoreh which was granted access to the assembly line, said.

Of the five prototypes on the assembly line, the second prototype is currently being tested to check whether missiles can be loaded properly.                                                                                   

Korea Aerospace is assembling 5 prototypes of KF-21 Fighter Jet
This ground reportage from the KF-21 facility of KAI should put at rest speculation regarding delays in the KF-21 project triggered by reports that the first prototype had been partly dis-assembled.

The first flight test is scheduled for 2022, with the entire development process set to be completed by 2026. As per a deal with Indonesia, South Korea is to hand over one prototype and technology to Jakarta to manufacture the aircraft in Indonesia.

The South Korean Air Force plans to induct 40 KF-21 units by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032.


https://www.defenseworld.net/news/29797/Kor..._21_Fighter_Jet
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post Jun 13 2021, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 13 2021, 05:34 PM)
They trying to immitate our rojak air Force is it?
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They are worse....
COIN - Tucano
FLIT/LIFT - TA-50/hawk
MRCA- F16,Rafale+KFX (on plan)
Heavy fighter - Su27/30 and F15 (on plan)

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post Jun 13 2021, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 13 2021, 07:39 PM)
They been doing a good job for the last few years reducing their logistical footprint with the tucano/ta50& F16.

Suddenly they going rojak again.
Our aero tiga trainer would be expiring soon right?
Maybe we should take a look at the tucano as well.
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I don't think RMAF need any Tucano. MY doesnt have potential insurgency threat.
Hawk or new LCA with ground attack capability good enough against those Sulu.

RMAF should go with Pilatus series for basic trainer.


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post Jun 13 2021, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 13 2021, 08:45 PM)
Was thinking since RMAF want a dual use LCA/LIFT

Why not dual use basic trainer as well particularly for Arial policing around pirate infested  straits of malacca & Sulu sea
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MPA is the best aerial policing from shore to EEZ.
Basic trainer is too small to be installed with maritime patrolling equipments.
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post Jun 14 2021, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 14 2021, 02:11 AM)
Another thing That's confused me.
tUDM just upgraded the c235 as a MSA
But they are looking at their replacement by 2030s.
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MSA is an MPA minus...
The CN235 is already 20 years old, in mid 2030 will be 35 years old. When the new MPA is delivered could already 40 yeras old. Not a bad time to replace it.

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