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Lampuajaib
post Jun 17 2021, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 17 2021, 06:43 PM)
LM should ask US gov pressing ID to cancel Rafale.

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post Jun 18 2021, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 18 2021, 06:52 AM)
The Iver Huitfeldt is a seperate deal. First steel cutting expected at the end of the year or early 2022. There was no MOU for Japanese frigates only a Transfer of Defense Equipment and Technology Agreement between Indonesia and Japan.

https://setkab.go.id/en/indonesia-japan-sig...se-cooperation/

For heavy frigates the Indonesian Navy is set to have 2 Iver Huitfeldt Class & 6 FREMM Bergamini Class.
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Why 2 Ivers and 6 FREMMs?
ID changed decision about Iver and go for FREMM?
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post Jun 18 2021, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 18 2021, 07:55 AM)
Unconfirmed report for the Iver there is an option for another 6 units.
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I don't know about the details, but why not just go with 12 Ivers?
Ivers is cheaper and ID can customize the weapon system like FREMM.


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post Jun 21 2021, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jun 20 2021, 09:00 PM)

Video by Lockheed. Strange that Lockheed removed it - usually they dont!

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Video still image - note the Himars registration number - not US Marine Corps vehicle.

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SG HIMARS - see the registration number.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/produc...ke-missile.html

Note: The PRSM with its multi mode targeting sensors can hit both static and moving targets up to distances of >500+km. It can be used both against land and sea targets. An extended range version can hit targets as far as 1000+km. It is built to work with 5th gen combat jets like F35s, 4.5 gen combat jets like F15SA, F15SG, F16Vs, etc. or other sensors. At >500+km, the missile may even reach Southern Thailand....Also, this is an improvement over Sg's Blue Spear missile with max range of 400km.

The current GMLRS rockets in used by current users has been successfully tested at a max range of 92km:

https://www.army-technology.com/news/news69339-html/

GMLRS-ER which is intended to replace the GMLRS rockets from 2022 onwards has a range of 150km. Current users are expected to replace their store of GMRLS rockets with this version later in the decade onwards.
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So many posting advanced weapon system'.
What contribution SG can give to promote peace in SCS?
ID and Vietnam voice is heard louder.
Useless equipment just for show off and parade in SG hand.

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post Jun 21 2021, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jun 20 2021, 10:47 PM)
It is not about whether a country dabbles with democrazy. It is about having too many cooks dabbling with the soup with limited financial means and a myriad of economic and societal goals in the middle of a raging pandemic.
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All pandemic and tension in SCS are China's present to the world.
Whatever and whoever ID before doesnt matter. Asean facing SCS issue. China assertive claiming whole SCS is asean problem and the world.
ID already prove can modernize their defence sector, hope they can grow stronger and faster.
Whose voice do you think can be heard to unite Asean? Next in line are Viet and Thai.
SG can ah?....lol

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post Jun 21 2021, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jun 21 2021, 09:32 AM)
What are you rambling abt and you R living on another planet. If i have the time id provide a more elaborate reply. Suffice it to say, Asean isnt united on China. Not all countries have territorial disputes with china. And no, Asean welcomes a responsibly acting China as guess what Chinas the largest investor in many Asean countries e.g  Msia.
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Yes...wumao supporter detected.
Do you think there is SCS problem if China has any resposible act?
Claiming whole SCS based on history?....lol

MY can claim SG too based on China logic....You support o not?

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post Jun 21 2021, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jun 21 2021, 09:42 AM)
/facepalm. Dont forget 2 ditch Chinese moneh in Msia.
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Business and security are 2 sides of a coin.
Lol
How much money the world has lost by China's export covid? The number is hiking as we speak.

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post Jun 21 2021, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 21 2021, 02:07 PM)
Don't oversell the chinese too much

As of now militarily they aren't that capable to threaten even Vietnam or pinoy by the neck what more us. If they could stop us drilling gas they would, the reason they didn't is because they couldn't.

Economic wise, they are a middle class export oriented country same as us, a relationship with them aren't as fruitful nor help us with our middle income traps (since they themselves are in it as well) as a relationship with rich consumption base economy of the west.
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So many wumao here....
China=world
No China the world is suffering...lol

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post Jun 21 2021, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 21 2021, 03:55 PM)
Don't undersell the sinkie too much, they are the biggest spenders on defense in asean, their military are highly mobile design for forward deployment, they can provide credible supplies lines and backups & unlike ID they seem more eager to take on the chinese.
ID can't be the shield between us & PRC simply because they don't want to. At least for now. They are public support for ID to be involved but like SK their gov doesn't seem to be very committed to it.

It does seem a lot of ASEAN countries got help probably from US to harmonize their defense spending to be competent individually but also compliment one another. Unlike MY & Pinoy that seem more or less stick to plans, ID seem trying hard to not do it.

Minimal essential force 2024 won't be achieved, there's no way they can get 150 jet & 150 surface combatants by 2024, they haven't increase defense spending nor reduce the size of the gurella style army
Infact the Rafale & fremm shows they going to do the same thing with leopard & apache. A feel good weapons but in minimal numbers to satisfied the locals voters rather than to create a credible expeditionary force.

ID try really hard to be neutral. They wanted to buy times, They try hard to not be too threatening to the chinese. But at the same time  under pressure by neibors & citizens to counter the chinese. Maybe they change the stand by 2030 when their economy is among the 10th largest in the world with defense spending 300% then sinkie. But for now someone else has to man the fort. MY alone can't man the fort without SG assistance. SG had the tools, MY is trying to acquire the tools. ID ain't buying any tools for now.
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What the hell....
MY cant man the fort?

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post Jun 22 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 22 2021, 10:23 AM)
Finally.....
Something is moving forward
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post Jun 23 2021, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 23 2021, 09:35 AM)
Good for them....
Another muscle added
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post Jul 23 2021, 07:43 PM

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ID and TH pick T50, MY always pick something different than the neighbours.
Unfortunately...this time because MY still wants to barter with palm oil. Only India and Paki will accept.
Tejas ataupun JF17 boleh lah tak kan nak tunggu US offer F35 barter palm oil.

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post Jul 29 2021, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(junkyman @ Jul 29 2021, 05:48 PM)
Still Philippines will opt for F-16V for better cost n logistic hehe.
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Not really, Pinoy tends to get Gripen C/D.
F16V is still very expensive for them

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post Aug 12 2021, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(Jaq_Ishmael @ Aug 11 2021, 10:27 AM)
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When will be delivered?
I cant see any sensor put under the belly only FLIR under the nose
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post Aug 12 2021, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 12 2021, 07:20 AM)
"Indonesia has commenced the process to send 100 engineers to South Korea to re-start its participation in the KF-21 fighter jet project even as the issue of 700 billion won ($605.8 million) overdue payment remains unresolved..."
ID win the bluffing game?

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post Aug 14 2021, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 14 2021, 10:45 AM)
Unconfirmed report specification of the Indonesian Navy variant of the Iver Huitfeldt Class:

• LOA 143,57 meters
• MR SAM VLS 3 x 8 cells
• LR SAM VLS 4 x 8 cells
• LR SSM VLS 2 x 8 cells
• Gun 2 x 76 mm
• CIWS 35 mm
• Torpedo
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Maybe you should put a link so it will be looked more than just somebody imagination.
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post Aug 14 2021, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 14 2021, 01:56 PM)
The Indos are funny. When other countries show real hardware, they will show LOIs or news reports of interests in this/that weaponry.

No one should believe anything they say unless they have the hardware in real life.

The year is coming to an end.

Where are the F15EX? *US will unlikely release this version.

Where are the Rafales?

Where are the new submarines?

Where are the Ivers ( news been around for years)?

Where are the FREMMs?

Where are the F35s?

Where are the F16Vs?

Where are the new Apaches..?

Where are the Ospreys?

The list goes on. Most importantly, there isnt money - they have to borrow in a middle of pandemic.

To be fair, I believe they may actually get a few in the end - by which time itll be 2030 or longer.
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On the other side...SG is very concerned about it...hahaha.
SG will love to see those wishlist will just ID forever wet dream than become a reality.

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post Aug 14 2021, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 14 2021, 03:27 PM)
You are very obtuse. I tend to post less because of congenital idiots like you. The whole region needs to up the ante on defence because the security tapestry of the region if not East Asia is changing rapidly. That includes Indo. In your mind, it is always X versus Y country.
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It is about SG security phobia and kiasuness really....even when you try hard to deny it.....hahaha.

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post Aug 14 2021, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 14 2021, 03:02 PM)
New Pindad Badak 6x6 FSV from the production line. Credit to PT Pindad.

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I heard this badak a long time ago...I thought this badak project is dead already.
I can see improvement...credit to Pindad.

I must say many ID defence projects are done sooner or later although many skeptical when they were announced.
Let's see how ID will work to complete their big projects including fremm, Iver, Kf-21 boramae, subs, etc.

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post Aug 15 2021, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 14 2021, 06:56 PM)
Silly man. You are unwitingly revealing your insecurity abt everything Sg. It is clear that you are obessed with Sg being ahead. Every discussion has to be abt why Sg is ahead and you naturally spill the beans.

A lazy and spoilt person like you obviously will not understand the genesis behind the term kiasu. No wonder you revel being left behind by the world
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Why shoud i feel insecure about SG?
If I can feel secure about ID....hahaha.

It is obvious that Sg is the one who feel insecure with what the neighbours have or going to have. No need an exoert to say that Sg defence is rely on far more advanced hardware, doesnt it?
It is so funny how you show it with kiasu mentality.








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