So how much is thier limit hmm? Is their limit the same with the limit of other countries? It is all relative.

https://www.reuters.com/article/singapore-d...E7N82R320111208

^ no need $23billion for now. The regions shitty but not that shitty..

Report of the Indonesian MoD had submitted a proposal of USD 142 billion defense procurement plan up to 2044 which have got support from the Indonesian legislators. This huge budget is awaiting a presidential decree.

Lol 4-6% this year only. Not 4-6% annually. Any country which able to get out of the pandemic would grow 200% more than usual due to the slowdowns before.
Remember state wealth is not equal citizens wealth.

Also the state doesn't pay for the rail, the citizens does. as rail lines are paid through state land sales whose monopoly on supplies inflated the price of property there. They don't pay for healthcare nor roads as well.

SG core competency is
1) low taxes rates which allowed them to be the paper HQ of MNC operating in ASEAN, infact 70% of their GDP is due to those MNC, the rest are filled by mostly GLC which monopolize almost all domestic industry.

2) very competent gov interference a result of blurring the lines between what is PAP and the civil service.
And yet even at the height of a pandemic where people priorities security over anything else, PAP only win 60% of popular votes.  If this trend continue and their citizens demanded more and more social services they can't afford to keep the taxes rates low for those MNC to still be there or if they demanded more & more democracy then they lose the effective gov interference.

The end of one party state is quite devastating for SG as they are very specialized on the taxes heaven economy. So unlike TW/SK even ID the end of one party state won't be of any benefits to them. So unless PAP prepared SG for a post PAP SG. It would take quite a miracle for SG to not follow the trejectory of HK. Afterall few decades back HK GDP was 200% of SG/MY.

The idea of Indonesia banking its fighter force on US warplanes is simply ludicrous. I don't think Indonesia has any more appetite for a high degree of dependence on US defense equipment given the history of US arms embargo on the country. In the early 2000s, US arms embargo effectively grounded the Indonesian Air Force's F-16s, effectively eliminating its primary (really, entire) fighter fleet, a condition which was only mitigated with the arrival of the Russian Sukhois.

Note that prior to this, Indonesia had actually planned to build a fighter force composed entirely of F-16s, with 80 examples planned. But the embargo proved that the US is an unreliable supplier. And once bitten twice shy, it now seeks to avoid dependence on one supplier. Neither the public nor the political establishment would accept a return to such a time since it had been taught the harsh lesson that when you depend on the armaments of one country, you'll have to obey its policies and dictates, and no country that has to obey another can claim to be truly sovereign.

Of course, I don't doubt that this policy is partly maintained by officials seeking to secure kickbacks from procurements, it is definitely a motivation. Indonesia is not like Singapore, its officials cannot just pay themselves millions over the table. The public would lynch them if they ever attempt to give themselves such a pay raise, so they have to skim them under the table. Malaysia - and pretty much the rest of Southeast Asia, really - is also in the same straits.

Of course, this isn't good since it lets officials get used to breaking the law. What I'd like to see happen is for countries like Indonesia and Malaysia to be more like the US where officials don't receive kickbacks or bribes and instead secure golden parachutes and run the revolving door of government and business. Instead of taking cash for making government decisions, they should instead take speaking and consultation fees. If these countries can reform their political culture in that direction, it will go a long way towards cleaning up their corruption reputation and perhaps approach the US ranking in the Corruptions Perceptions Index, the US being one the cleanest countries globally according to the index.

Of course, it still wouldn't be Singapore, but that's unrealistic for large and populous countries to aim for in the first place. Instead, countries like the US or Japan provides a better model for managing political corruption and diminishing its perceived impact. Such reforms would also professionalize arms procurement, giving the public greater confidence in the quality of defense spending.

Read more: https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Internatio...nese-incursions

Never factual as always. They have a smallish air force and as such they should limit their logistical train of they know what is good for them.

Well one thing for certain is that if there is preponderence of more Lampuajaib and his thinking in this country, Msia is done for.

I try to put most rational people in yours. Confirmed wont fit.

Oh you will sleep well under most circumstances - what did you say -  sleep under a coconut tree. Leave the FPDA 2.

Im sure Msias security forces are constantly vigilant esp.if ID becomes over bearing. Afterall, there are intermittent incidents at places where the 2 countries meet.

Sure thing - Msia as the next Japan - let us knpw when that happens in your lifetime.

Looks like Jokowi has given his approval for the huge defense budget of USD 125 billion for 2020 - 2024 time frame.
Read more: https://nasional.tempo.co/amp/1467007/kemen...adaan-alutsista

The point I was addressing in my afore-mentioned post was that they should buy US and not because of the potential of embargoes. This argument is clearly flawed as you have pointed out yourself.  Even the EU can impose embargoes. Secondly, I also raised the issue of having a small air-force in the case of Indo, and the need to harmonize the logistical train. You feel that there should be a zoo of an air-force. I think differently i.e. you will face cost, logistical, training and jointness issues when you buy items from all over the world. That is same reason why the RMAF does not want any more Suks.

Indonesias GDP per cap is $4,256. And >10% of her population lives beneath the poverty line. It is a trifle obfuscating to merely state that they are a middle income country. There is a long way 2 go certainly. And this shows in its almost frantic efforts to secure friendly loans to modernize its increasingly ageing military or confused decisions to buy aircraft from used Typhoons, Rafales, F35, F15s, dozens of submarines, frigates, etc. And yet purchases were not made. In some cases e.g. F35s and F15EX, they are unlikely to get the go-ahead from the US.

So, youll need to take such claims with a pinch of salt each time.

A modern Indo military will actually help the other littoral states in SEA in keeping this region free from being a Chinese lake until it has moderated their behaviour. The other powers including the US cannot do it sans the support of SEA littoral states. This is so important right now.

Yes for 2020 - 2024. The funds will be disburse in stages until 2024. Around USD 57 billion for main weapons procurement the rest is for maintenance and interest payment. Financial payment to go through until 2044.

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20210530...embus-rp-1750-t

On other notes

Rumour has it that the army is looking at 250 6x6 as condor replacement.

Could it be what the army had in mind is this?

At 1 mil euro each, this things is half the price of lipanbara & the same amount of money deftech want to refurbish the condors.if not mistaken Sapura is the one trying to push this and has showcase a Renault truck (basically a Volvo) for some defense show now's

The base of griffon is also can be configured as jaguar, serval & Ceaser allowing commonality among TD vehicle. Not to mention once the army production cease, the same factory can just churn out Volvo truck as apposed to deftech & BNS who want to be spoon-fed non stop.

Assuming the Adnan are retired, 250 ish gempita + 250 griffon would allowed the army to immitate the french army at half the size. A whole fleet of wheel base vehicle which allowed for rapid deployment by road/sea and air.

Personally seeing how MOD has been dragging their feet at heli acquisition and the fact CTRM had expand the facilities 200% in size. Seem to me they just waiting for the french to finish up h160m and manufacturer it here to be the de facto heli just as SK did with surion?

As for TLDM & TUDM seem like they wanted to have the same number/type of ship/plane as the Australian. Which seems like quite a tall order.

Yeah, big doubt from me too.

As for security reasons...

Haven't folks from the Pentagon and Japan said something about war with China being imminent? They mention different dates, but I heard anywhere between 2024-2028. An interesting fact I've noticed is that the Chinese economy is expected to surpass the US' by 2028. On an unrelated note, WWI happened on the very year Germany's GDP eclipsed Britain's.

Who knows for sure?

Unconfirmed report the Indonesian Navy Iver Huitfeldt frigate contract is now effective. The frigate final design will take 9 - 10 months to finish. First steel cutting expected next year. The Indonesian MoD wants the first frigate launching in end of 2023 or early 2024.

There was also early reports that the variant of the Iver Huifeldt Frigate for the Indonesian Navy will be equipped with Terma C-Flex CMS and Hensoldt TRS-4D Radar. Photo credit to Shipbucket.

Heard theres a talk about TUDM start process for acquiring Kuwait F18 C/D.

China plane was intercept and escorted out by the RMAF yesterday.

SH/Gripen/Rafale tu bukan LCA bang oii
hahaha

dah lama dah patut ganti MIG tu last flight it was in 2015