ID is a democracy not a dictatorship one party state. So their plans just like with other democracy are fluids. One didn't care what their citizens think and thus can have long term acquisition schedule,

To say they can't afford it isn't true. They can afford it without increasing defense spending by just modernizing aka downsizing the size of their military personnel. PLA had downsize their army decades ago while US marine corps are doing it now.

Though having said that, all of their recent announcement seems to directed for domestic consumption rather than as a response to a changing security threats. If anything these whole announcement are just Probowo starting his 2024 presidential campaigns.

Scrambling for foreign loans particularly in foreign notes is pretty dangerous due to the instability of rupiah. The Rafale & fremm would likely involved local assembly which would shoot Probowo popularity (and wealth) through the roofs

Highly unlikely to get approval by MOF who herself might throw her hat into the presidential contest ring. Nor she would likely agree to increase defense spending at the cost of infrastructure development.

So next step for Probowo would likely to rallies up the public opinion to pressure MOF to do what he wants.

It is not about whether a country dabbles with democrazy. It is about having too many cooks dabbling with the soup with limited financial means and a myriad of economic and societal goals in the middle of a raging pandemic.

Lol. That's what the angmoh called balance of power.
It's a good thing according to Angmoh.
A lot of people give their live so that others can enjoyed it.
Of course in our case balance of power, just like independence & democracy it's is handed to us on a silver plater.

We live in the 21st century, we have no need for a God King to decide & told us what best for us. We decided it ourselves.

Infact in a way particularly in public transportation, creating e commerce unicorn, local entrepreneurship,.risk taking and so on, ID are far ahead and are more efficient then a God emperor dictatorship can ever hope to achieve. All God emperor are good at is stealing others unicorn & big companies by throwing dedak since a dictatorship would never allowed a space for such a thing to grow organically.

So many posting advanced weapon system'.
What contribution SG can give to promote peace in SCS?
ID and Vietnam voice is heard louder.
Useless equipment just for show off and parade in SG hand.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 21 2021, 08:26 AM

All pandemic and tension in SCS are China's present to the world.
Whatever and whoever ID before doesnt matter. Asean facing SCS issue. China assertive claiming whole SCS is asean problem and the world.
ID already prove can modernize their defence sector, hope they can grow stronger and faster.
Whose voice do you think can be heard to unite Asean? Next in line are Viet and Thai.
SG can ah?....lol

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 21 2021, 08:25 AM

What are you rambling abt and you R living on another planet. If i have the time id provide a more elaborate reply. Suffice it to say, Asean isnt united on China. Not all countries have territorial disputes with china. And no, Asean welcomes a responsibly acting China as guess what Chinas the largest investor in many Asean countries e.g Msia.

Errrr. Ok. Noted..

Yes...wumao supporter detected.
Do you think there is SCS problem if China has any resposible act?
Claiming whole SCS based on history?....lol

MY can claim SG too based on China logic....You support o not?

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 21 2021, 09:48 AM

/facepalm. Dont forget 2 ditch Chinese moneh in Msia.

Good read:

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/army-te...unt-ships-sams/

Business and security are 2 sides of a coin.
Lol
How much money the world has lost by China's export covid? The number is hiking as we speak.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 21 2021, 09:54 AM

PUBLISHED: 20 JUNE 2021
LAST UPDATED: 20 JUNE 2021

Indonesia TNI AU A330MRTT 640

Indonesia to buy tanker aircraft

High on the wish-list of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force) has been the acquisition of tanker aircraft.

Recently, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) was granted permission to assign a budget of USD 700 million for such an acquisition. Top candidate is the Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT).

As far as Scramble Magazine knows, no contract has been signed yet. So it is still very early in the process, same as with the Dassault Rafale deal that was revealed recently.

Read more:
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/indon...tanker-aircraft

No it isnt. They have you by your throats.

Don't oversell the chinese too much

As of now militarily they aren't that capable to threaten even Vietnam or pinoy by the neck what more us. If they could stop us drilling gas they would, the reason they didn't is because they couldn't.

Economic wise, they are a middle class export oriented country same as us, a relationship with them aren't as fruitful nor help us with our middle income traps (since they themselves are in it as well) as a relationship with rich consumption base economy of the west.

So many wumao here....
China=world
No China the world is suffering...lol

Don't undersell the sinkie too much, they are the biggest spenders on defense in asean, their military are highly mobile design for forward deployment, they can provide credible supplies lines and backups & unlike ID they seem more eager to take on the chinese.


ID can't be the shield between us & PRC simply because they don't want to. At least for now. They are public support for ID to be involved but like SK their gov doesn't seem to be very committed to it.

It does seem a lot of ASEAN countries got help probably from US to harmonize their defense spending to be competent individually but also compliment one another. Unlike MY & Pinoy that seem more or less stick to plans, ID seem trying hard to not do it.

Minimal essential force 2024 won't be achieved, there's no way they can get 150 jet & 150 surface combatants by 2024, they haven't increase defense spending nor reduce the size of the gurella style army
Infact the Rafale & fremm shows they going to do the same thing with leopard & apache. A feel good weapons but in minimal numbers to satisfied the locals voters rather than to create a credible expeditionary force.

ID try really hard to be neutral. They wanted to buy times, They try hard to not be too threatening to the chinese. But at the same time under pressure by neibors & citizens to counter the chinese. Maybe they change the stand by 2030 when their economy is among the 10th largest in the world with defense spending 300% then sinkie. But for now someone else has to man the fort. MY alone can't man the fort without SG assistance. SG had the tools, MY is trying to acquire the tools. ID ain't buying any tools for now.

Technically speaking ID/MY & SG are the one with hands on Chinese throats.

A simple blockage in the Singapore/malacca/makassar & sunda straits would bring chinese to their knees unable to acquire oil for war efforts, gas for electricity & factory nor even food to keep their citizens filled.

What the hell....
MY cant man the fort?

What do you mean they do not threaten the Vietnamese or Pinoys? Theyve been sinking boats, even coast guard vessels from both countries. They can put a coast guard vessel in msian waters and you can do squat.

They are Msias largest investor now. Many of the engineering companies doing large scale projects are chinese. Msias economy will be in trouble if they leave. They can also stop the flow of Sinovac 2 you.

Laughable that you can put China and Msia in the same basket. Ones a world power. The other ones struggling to be relevant on the world stage.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Jun 21 2021, 05:58 PM

What do you think.

Currently we have No AEW&C, no submarines detection capable MPA, no anti ship shore based missiles, no GBAD, ASW Frigates are on shore, no self propelled howatzer, no anti air gun, no mines laying ship, no sub hunting heli also on our own.

But we do have friends, they can provide the things we lack for now but ID like India doesn't have Allies, doesn't want to be in any alliance,want to berdiri atas kaki sendiri and thus they ain't going strong anytime soon.