For us Msia, as long as we don't lose the jet engines, it's considered blessings aldy.

Actually, ID buys in batches in small numbers but they have consistency. Their defence spending in % gdp is the lowest compare to other major asean nations.

AFAIK....this time could be the first major procurement involving USD $125 bn.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...quisition-plans

This post has been edited by azriel: Jun 12 2021, 06:07 PM

Quite a long wishlist from RMAF & the period of acquisition. Not really sure if gov has the stomach to finance it


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VGOZCB9jNC...iew?usp=sharing

Korean can keep dreaming. The F-22 scaled down copy didn't even get its first flight already berangan with aircraft carrier imagination. At the other hand, China Type 003 hull can be seen 70% complete capable of EMALS

You will know that the Koreans take their project timelines seriously if you have the opportunity to work with them. KF-21 flight test programme according to their schedule is planned for next year. So far all their timeline is as per schedule. Now 4 more KF-21 prototypes already on the assembly line.

Janganlah jelous

KFX is basically just a good looking clone of FA18 that make to look like F22. The RCS of KFX is higher than that of griffin.

Off cause
Not like they need to figure shit out on their own,
They can just pay Lockheed for it.

as for the carrier
Just look at the amount of angmoh around from Babcock to Fincantieri
At the event offering licencing deals


So it's not like they are taking in a soviet era aircraft carrier & MIG , spy stuff around and have to figure out on their own how to make it works in the modern age all by themselves. Infact both their carrier & KFX would be operational from day one since it mostly a license copy of existing proven products.

I have seen how poorly Koreans did in their car marketing in ASEAN, they aren't anywhere close to Japanese integrity, smart thinking and rational thinking. This KF-21 is nothing more than white elephant hiring lockheed martin to build the aircraft with General Electric providing engine then put made in korea label there.

If it can't defeat American fighters, then it's not best fighter. People would call a fighter that can take on US present fighters as good fighter

Anyway you yourself said that F35 required a FA18 to support it, and the KFX is basically SK version of FA18

Personally seeing how KFX being a boxy looking jet doesn't guranteed stealth performance, i doubt any others jet would be as good as the American made one. no other single country can force the world to buy 3000 of the same jet to make the trillions of dollar R&D worthwhile.

It just cold war economy really. If everyone get the same weapon from the same factory, a single exploit would render all the Allies defense useless.

During the last cold war UK decentralized the fighter production facilities to Canada & Australia. And they do design & manufacturer their own fighters.

Currently TW/SK/JP are license manufacturer of US jet. So now they upgraded themselves to be able to design it as well.

It maybe a white elephant now. but Canada manage to make a business out of their earlier jet know-how and manage to build a A330 alternative.

So It basically an investment for the future, not to mention Japan themselves are also hiring Lockheed for their X2.

ID too are quite active in it's license manufacturing activities. While SG has been very active in design phase by sending their engineer to sweeden & Germany to custom built their own submarines & ships.


This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Jun 13 2021, 03:32 AM

Gripen RCS is 1m but KFX RCS is 0.1m while F35 rcs is 0.05-0.01 m.
Shape is the main factor to reduce RCS.
Gripen is still using conventional shape but KFX is not.
Looking at KFX roadmap, The initial block KFX doesnt have weapon internal bay (WIB) because Indonesia requirement for long range jet that need bigger fuel tank which make the rcs still big for 5th gen fighter.
Looking at the roadmap, KFX next block will have WIB which will reduced the rcs further but could reduced the operational range.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 13 2021, 07:30 AM

The development of F35B VTOL has made smaller carrier is possible for small defence force, but I would say this carrier is just a"modified" LHD size.

Even ID and SG have this "carrier" design which is basically a strecthed LPD.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 13 2021, 08:02 AM

The KF-X Block 3 will be full stealth with IWB.

KF-X Internal Weapon Bay:









This post has been edited by azriel: Jun 13 2021, 07:45 AM

Pinoy first sub will be frech scorpene or SK Chang bogo.

The term is IWB not WIB....my mistake.

No problem.

The smaller carrier concept or Sea Control Ship is a proposal dating back to 60s and the BAe Harrier, and even combat proven to some extent in the Falklands War

But again as I posted last time with the Izumos, the question is what is INSIDE this carrier design that counts. The Izumos, we know now, were built with F35 conversion in mind. Contrast against the similar Hyugas which are "true" LPHs; the Hyugas would be much less capable and much more expensive to convert.

Similar differences between the British Invincibles, Harrier-capable, and the Ocean, a strictly Heli-only amphibious warship. Even if one fitted a ramp to Ocean it would not have been suitable as a "mini carrier".

Songlap uber alles

Progress construction of Indonesian Navy 2 units Hospital Ships or Kapal Bantu Rumah Sakit (BRS) based from the Makassar LPD at PT PAL shipyard. Progress construction BRS-1 is at 95% while BRS-2 is at 40%. Credit to PT PAL.

Is it my eyes or is that a cross on the hospital ship?