Like Proton?
No thanks.

local shipbuilders can do the same job at a much cheaper price, and has more extensive experience.
they wanted to prop up bns, MMHE lost most of the skill needed building warships.
even hong leong lurssen tutup kedai. because of preferential treatment to bns.
back in 2016 or 2017 they declared profit, just because one of their law team found discrepancies in contract wording. not because of they are making real profit.
it's just to show the team in MoD who drew up the contracts are sh*t!

It's not shit. It's them being force to do stuff by politicians things they didn't want to do. The moment said politicians are out of sight they reverted back, then another politicians force them back.

Like you already give an example for in aerospace industry. Self sufficiency create mediocrity. Not to mention having something like deftech & BNS for the military is
1) a total waste of their money, gempita is double the cost of other IFV
2) really detrimental towards national security. Having self sufficiency create a situation where politicians think it's ok to ditch MY traditional security providers, have a very independent foreign policy like sucking up to DaGe.

SG is very successful because they draw up their minister from the civil service. There's no such thing as political interference in SG planning, policy & acquisition. There's no such thing as politicians in SG just birokrat.

Our local shipbuilding plan is bad.

we need
1. long term plan.

2. proper watertight contract with no mid way changes.

3. involvement of multiple shipyards, not just BNS.


PT PAL is an example where local shipbuilding was done right.

Even then, hard decisions was made even if it is not publicly mentioned.

For example in 2019-2021 they have planned empty slots for the build of SSV for Philippines and MRSS for Malaysia. But the orders did not materialize.

Indonesian government, rather than leave PT PAL idle, at last minute paid for 2 LPD to be designated as hospital ships. That is what it takes to have ingenious local shipbuilding capability.

Yes ..PT Di can be compared to Embraer, why not?
PT Di is smaller than Embraer....certainly nothing to discuss.

Your problem is if you compare PT DI to CTRM or UMW...No company in MY can design and make plane.

Even PT DI can build the whole body of EC725, they can not make them fly.....where do you think MY aero tech level? They waiting repeat order and can make if they are given parts spesification and dimension.
Maybe the raising Vietnam can replace us later as subcon because can make cheaper parts. Why not? All tech to make parts belong to the parent company.
Even if MY can still make those parts where want to sell?

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Oct 6 2021, 11:13 AM

politaik in malaysia tamak. everything also want to line their pocket.

With All Politikus and SONGLAP here, all those plans and talks are but - NATO / Empty talks only !!!!!!!!!!

BAE Systems Warton Aerodrome (Factory)










This post has been edited by HangPC2: Oct 6 2021, 11:26 AM

Self sufficiency does create a mediocrity situation.

Look at SK. Their KFX & surion is basically a rebadged of stuff from the 70s being procure at way higher cost than this gen stuff like F35 & EC725.

TOT to acquired final assembly tech comes at the cost of far more profitable components contract trade off. Which lead to a situation where MY aerospace industry is 1000% higher than ID.


Well for every $1 of Chinese export to US. $0.60 is components made in US send to china to do a final assembly point. Then resend back to US

China can banggalah make end product like Xiaomi or geely. But Chinese profit margin are tiny . US being the manufacturer of components & IP owner get high profit margin instead.

Major MY defense contractors are failing because they fail to provide value to our military other than sucking them dry and charge high price for a mediocre product.

TNI acquisition of EC725 is really interesting. Rather then stupidly build a custom heli plant for low yield production that increase the cost substantially. Just build the components domestically & send it to be assembled in France.

Chengdu J-10C

It was the rakyat own fault really.

Keep voting the same guy into office, for sure that what they would do.

Baykar MIUS (Muharip Insansiz Ucak Sistemi)

Looks like Jokowi recently to follow Prabowo's master plan for Indonesia defense as an investment.



Read more: https://m.medcom.id/english/national/Wb74Pg...-defense-policy

Prabowo plan from a January article:



https://en.tempo.co/read/1298981/prabowo-co...m-as-investment

This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 6 2021, 11:52 AM

Unfortunately, you are getting our priorities wrong in our shipyards strategy.

We are not far off place like china or Korea that need to work hard to survive. They either build ship or they won't be in the maritime sector at all.We live in the middle of trade routes. Most shipyards in MY, Batam & SG specialized in refit, refurbishment & renovations because that's where the money is. PT PAL is far enough away from major trading route that buildings ship is the only way for them to ensure their survival.


Look at RSN acquisition, they are not really learning to design ship from scratch. They want to learn how to retrofitted. The LMV is basically a heavily modified Visby, the JMMV look like a flat top Damen enforcer while their MRCV look like a modification of their current LPD

ST engineering unlike deftech & BNS are not a dick that suck their military dry. They do provide value added service to RSN. The LMV is somewhere in the middle between Visby & arafura. It's give RSN an advantage compared to other off the shelf ship. Does a slightly bigger gowind but weapon are similar & custom weapon on pars give ATM any advantage? Nope! It's just money down the drain.

While BNS is pulling, i want to learn this, this & this and i can build this ,this & this for you. Now give me money RMN then buy my piece of shit that you don't want. ST engineering learn this or that to advance their commercial ship building while BNS doesn't really have any kinds of commercial customers.

BNS suck money dry, ST make money

plans and talks are made by the ATM

execution bukan

true when all songlap type ministers in charge !!!!!

MKM's precision strike sortie with PASKAU's GFAC team guidance during Ex Ababil 2021

JS Kumano - Mogami Class Frigate. Such a beautiful ship.