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post Jan 14 2008, 08:14 PM

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I think 100hz for the LCD is real...at one time Courts had a promotion outside its store, abit dim environment, can watch the LCDs side by side...the Sony V series color very good but flickers abit compare to other 100hz models. Even my wife says it flickers.

Infact if I'm not mistaken, most LCD or plasma equiped with 100Hz can have an option to change to 50Hz just for comparison. rx330, why dun you try your panny? its in the settings.
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post Jan 14 2008, 08:48 PM

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nono..it is juz for dvd player setting n not tv
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Jan 14 2008, 08:48 PM)
nono..it is juz for dvd player setting n not tv
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Oh...DVD player setting got 100hz meh?...wah..I cannot keep up with the times sad.gif

Is it 100hz for the video or as a crossover point of something like that?
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post Jan 14 2008, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Jan 14 2008, 01:06 PM)
y not buy from me when can get cheaper than outside?? can offer better price as u viewed my thread ord rite?  rclxms.gif
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exactly...pioneer 767 is for movie...music?haha...better get hifi le.. tongue.gif
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Pioneer 767 not for music but for movie only,,, Does any HT does good for music and movie ?
or Sharp LC32A53M is good for music and movie ? haha

I am from Penang reh, do u delivery to Penang tongue.gif ?
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post Jan 14 2008, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 14 2008, 09:07 PM)
Oh...DVD player setting got 100hz meh?...wah..I cannot keep up with the times sad.gif

Is it 100hz for the video or as a crossover point of something like that?
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i m not so sure..but wat i kno is some player do support 100hz..some doesnt ..but even if ur player run 100hz in 50hz tv..it still run in 50hz ...this is wat i kno only biggrin.gif

QUOTE(blueautumn @ Jan 14 2008, 09:13 PM)
Pioneer 767 not for music but for movie only,,, Does any HT does good for music and movie ?
or Sharp LC32A53M is good for music and movie ? haha

I am from Penang reh, do u delivery to Penang tongue.gif ?
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movie n music?hmm...normally HTS is for movie le...if music..go for micro hifi...but actly 767 isnt that rly bad in music...but of coz those micro hifi is much better that 767HTS

u from pg? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif then u buy from them le...i pay toll + petrol oso very exp dy...
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[quote=adrian0229,Jan 14 2008, 09:23 PM]
i m not so sure..but wat i kno is some player do support 100hz..some doesnt ..but even if ur player run 100hz in 50hz tv..it still run in 50hz ...this is wat i kno only biggrin.gif
movie n music?hmm...normally HTS is for movie le...if music..go for micro hifi...but actly 767 isnt that rly bad in music...but of coz those micro hifi is much better that 767HTS

Pioneer HTZ565DVD Vs Sony DAV-DZ750K , which one is better as their price is almost same ?
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Am considering to buy a 100Hz 32" LCD. Anyone has any info/input of the following:
Sharp A53M
Sony D300
Philip PFL9432
Is there any other models with 100Hz? Can't seem to find a site with reviews of the above. Cheers!




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post Jan 14 2008, 11:19 PM

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Take the D300 and be happy smile.gif

Seems like the price now is RM3999...thats RM500 drop from its original price!
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post Jan 15 2008, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(KCv3 @ Jan 14 2008, 11:04 PM)
Am considering to buy a 100Hz 32" LCD. Anyone has any info/input of the following:
Sharp A53M
Sony D300
Philip PFL9432
Is there any other models with 100Hz? Can't seem to find a site with reviews of the above. Cheers!
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another 1 is panny 32lx700mk...

is up 2 u anyway... tongue.gif
if is me..i will go for sharp


Added on January 15, 2008, 1:30 amblueautumn...if is me..mayb i will go for sony since u wan good in music n movie...


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Adrian,
What's your pricing for Sharp 37 inch LC37A53M?
And what's the cheapest Full HD LCD TV available in Malaysia right now?

And do you sell aircon? smile.gif
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post Jan 15 2008, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Jan 15 2008, 01:26 AM)
another 1 is panny 32lx700mk...

is up 2 u anyway... tongue.gif
if is me..i will go for sharp


Added on January 15, 2008, 1:30 amblueautumn...if is me..mayb i will go for sony since u wan good in music n movie...
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Do u mean which sony model which the price is almost same like Sharp 32' A53M ?
If go for sony, is it can save $ not need to buy Home Theater alredi tongue.gif
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post Jan 15 2008, 04:27 PM

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Noob Sharp A53M user alert!!! tongue.gif

One question, i got the Shapr LC32A53M. I don't really understand the 100Hz thingy.

When i press "Display" on the remote, it always either says "50Hz" or "60hz" (depending on the disc). Astro also same. Isn't it suppose to mention 100Hz?? I've already set the "Fine Motion XxXXx" in the advanced setup function. Is this referring to the 100Hz??

There's a demo button hidden in the remote under the cover, i suppose this is to show the difference between 100Hz and 50Hz??? So far haven't test much...no time yet.

Any sifus care to explain??

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 15 2008, 04:28 PM
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post Jan 15 2008, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 15 2008, 04:27 PM)
Noob Sharp A53M user alert!!! tongue.gif

One question, i got the Shapr LC32A53M. I don't really understand the 100Hz thingy.

When i press "Display" on the remote, it always either says "50Hz" or "60hz" (depending on the disc). Astro also same. Isn't it suppose to mention 100Hz?? I've already set the "Fine Motion XxXXx" in the advanced setup function. Is this referring to the 100Hz??

There's a demo button hidden in the remote under the cover, i suppose this is  to show the difference between 100Hz and 50Hz??? So far haven't test much...no time yet.

Any sifus care to explain??
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I am not a Sharp owner so I am just guessing. Possibly the 50hz/60hz just show the original source signal frequency. If fine motion is turned on, then probably it's already converted to 100hz. But the smoothness is only good for 50Hz sources because of the perfect doubling match. For the 60Hz source I guess it will still have to do pulldown before displaying in 100hz, so it won't be smooth.

Let's wait for feedback from other A53M owners.

Have you tried calling Sharp Malaysia, how to check for sure. Whatabout the User Manual? I am sure there must be some documentation there.

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Jan 15 2008, 05:24 PM)
I am not a Sharp owner so I am just guessing. Possibly the 50hz/60hz just show the original source signal frequency. If fine motion is turned on, then probably it's already converted to 100hz. But the smoothness is only good for 50Hz sources because of the perfect doubling match. For the 60Hz source I guess it will still have to do pulldown before displaying in 100hz, so it won't be smooth.

Let's wait for feedback from other A53M owners.

Have you tried calling Sharp Malaysia, how to check for sure. Whatabout the User Manual? I am sure there must be some documentation there.
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I dun think anything was mentioned in the manual......maybe i try calling Sharp tomorrow. Tonight I'll play some action movie DVDs and switch on the split screen comparison thingy. Hmm..is our DVDs 50hz or 60hz?? ASTRO is 60Hz as TV is PAL system in Malaysia...so no difference for ASTRO i suppose.

Another question, if my DVD player upscale, will the TV upscale again? I read this in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_scaler

So if like that it defeats the purpose of a DVD upscaler? Or the TV smart enough to realized the signal already been upscaled (say 1080i) and just read the signal as raw input without doing anything?? rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 15 2008, 05:37 PM)
I dun think anything was mentioned in the manual......maybe i try calling Sharp tomorrow. Tonight I'll play some action movie DVDs and switch on the split screen comparison thingy. Hmm..is our DVDs 50hz or 60hz?? ASTRO is 60Hz as TV is PAL system in Malaysia...so no difference for ASTRO i suppose.

Another question, if my DVD player upscale, will the TV upscale again? I read this in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_scaler

So if like that it defeats the purpose of a DVD upscaler? Or the TV smart enough to realized the signal already been upscaled (say 1080i) and just read the signal as raw input without doing anything??  rclxub.gif
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Our TV signals are 50Hz (PAL). DVD movies are mostly 60Hz (NTSC).

On your second question, If your LCD TV is 720P (which is the case of the A53M) then

1) if you select 1080i in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P
2) if you select 720P in your DVD player, it will pass through untouched (720P).
3) if you select 480i or 480P in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P.

The rule is whatever compatible signal you input to your LCD TV it will always be scaled to the native resolution.

btw, the purpose of a upscale DVD player is to upscale normal DVD (which is 480P) to 720P/1080i. Although your TV can also scale 480P to 720P , stand alone upscale player normally do the job better. That's why people buy good upscalers e.g Sony 76H, instead of letting the TV do the upscale from a normal (Non upscale) 480i/P DVD player.

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the current 100/120HZ promotion is a LCD phenomenon, due to sample and hold technique used to display images on LCD panels causing "motion blur"... don't get confused with refresh rate of source or plasma planel 72Hz technology.. besides for HD there is no 1080i/720p 100HZ player output option... so the current function of "doubling the frequency" is definitely done in LCD TV section... not the source..


Added on January 15, 2008, 6:50 pm
QUOTE(Ngto @ Jan 15 2008, 05:58 PM)
Our TV signals are 50Hz (PAL). DVD movies are mostly 60Hz (NTSC).

On your second question, If your LCD TV is 720P (which is the case of the A53M) then

1) if you select 1080i in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P
2) if you select 720P in your DVD player, it will pass through untouched (720P).
3) if you select 480i or 480P in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P.

The rule is whatever compatible signal you input to your LCD TV  it will always be scaled to the native resolution.

btw, the purpose of a upscale DVD player is to upscale normal DVD (which is 480P) to 720P/1080i. Although your TV can also scale 480P to 720P , stand alone upscale player normally do the job better. That's why people buy good upscalers e.g Sony 76H, instead of  letting the TV do the upscale from a normal (Non upscale) 480i/P DVD player.
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A53M native resolution is 1366x768 (not 720p) , so if you input 1280x720p or 1920x1080i or what ever, it will definitely have to map it to the native rez of 1366x768... there is definitely a final round of scaling done just before displaying it on the panel.. if you input 720p and if you don't want any scaling, i.e mapping it 1:1 (then it should have 4 black bars all around...cos 720p is smaller size than 768p

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 15 2008, 06:45 PM)
the current 100/120HZ promotion is a LCD phenomenon, due to sample and hold technique used to display images on LCD panels causing "motion blur"... don't get confused with refresh rate of source or plasma planel 72Hz technology.. besides for HD there is no 1080i/720p 100HZ player output option... so the current function of "doubling the frequency" is definitely done in LCD TV section... not the source..


Added on January 15, 2008, 6:50 pm

A53M native resolution is 1366x768 (not 720p) , so if you input 1280x720p or 1920x1080i or what ever, it will definitely have to map it to the native rez of 1366x768... there is definitely a final round of scaling done just before displaying it on the panel.. if you input 720p and if you don't want any scaling, i.e mapping it 1:1 (then it should have 4 black bars all around...cos 720p is smaller size than 768p
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Well it's not quite 720P, but most people use the term for 768 panels because of the small diff which is negligible. It's understood what I meant.

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Jan 15 2008, 05:58 PM)
Our TV signals are 50Hz (PAL). DVD movies are mostly 60Hz (NTSC).

On your second question, If your LCD TV is 720P (which is the case of the A53M) then

1) if you select 1080i in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P
2) if you select 720P in your DVD player, it will pass through untouched (720P).
3) if you select 480i or 480P in your DVD player, your TV will scale it to 720P.

The rule is whatever compatible signal you input to your LCD TV  it will always be scaled to the native resolution.

btw, the purpose of a upscale DVD player is to upscale normal DVD (which is 480P) to 720P/1080i. Although your TV can also scale 480P to 720P , stand alone upscale player normally do the job better. That's why people buy good upscalers e.g Sony 76H, instead of  letting the TV do the upscale from a normal (Non upscale) 480i/P DVD player.
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But if u compare sharp 100Hz and samsung 50Hz for Astro, then u will be able to see the different, the picture in Sharp is better compare to samsung ? do you have any idea?
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QUOTE(Ngto @ Jan 15 2008, 07:46 PM)
Well it's not quite 720P, but most people use the term for 768 panels because of the small diff which is negligible. It's understood what I meant.
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I don't think you can assume such, as for example 720p LCD projectors will display 720p signal with 1:1 pixel mapping (when overscan disabled) but not so with LCD TVs using 1366x768 panels.. it will not do 1:1 720p mapping (hence a layer of upscaling required inside the TV) so definitely there is a visible difference between the 2 rez mentioned, i.e. 1280x720 and 1366x768...
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QUOTE(cwtien @ Jan 15 2008, 02:15 PM)
Adrian,
What's your pricing for Sharp 37 inch LC37A53M?
And what's the cheapest Full HD LCD TV available in Malaysia right now?

And do you sell aircon? smile.gif
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rm4.5 lik that

QUOTE(blueautumn @ Jan 15 2008, 04:02 PM)
Do u mean which sony model which the price is almost same like Sharp 32' A53M ?
If go for sony, is it can save $ not need to buy Home Theater alredi tongue.gif
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sony model is 32v300

QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 15 2008, 04:27 PM)
Noob Sharp A53M user alert!!! tongue.gif

One question, i got the Shapr LC32A53M. I don't really understand the 100Hz thingy.

When i press "Display" on the remote, it always either says "50Hz" or "60hz" (depending on the disc). Astro also same. Isn't it suppose to mention 100Hz?? I've already set the "Fine Motion XxXXx" in the advanced setup function. Is this referring to the 100Hz??

There's a demo button hidden in the remote under the cover, i suppose this is  to show the difference between 100Hz and 50Hz??? So far haven't test much...no time yet.

Any sifus care to explain??
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huh...when u buy ur lcd?y din get from me?how much u buy it? shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif

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