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Jordy
post Aug 5 2008, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(mr_ashraf @ Aug 5 2008, 12:16 PM)
i think i want to sell all my UT in public balance fund.
but will loss about 20% amount that i invest
should i sell now or wait...
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Yes, what cherroy said is true. This fund has around 50% - 60% in equity, 30% in bond and 10% in money market.
From its portfolio, it looks "ok" at the moment, and it is still intact. Currently equity and bond markets have just experienced a little shake-off, that was why you felt the 20% loss. I believe you can wait for long term as bonds usually do not lose the capital.
The fund should rebound better once the bond market rebounds, but don't put too much hope on equity at the moment smile.gif

Today market everywhere was down quite badly. Wonder if my PBOND is going to make some handsome gains? tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 5 2008, 08:45 PM)
If interest rate being raised rapidly (I don't think BNM will do it), balanced fund might not balanced anymore.

Interest rate goes up, bonds price goes down.
Interest rate goes up, equities generally don't perform well.

Personally I don't like balanced fund. If really want to have a balance portfolio, then better split the initial money to invest one equities fund and one bond fund, like that you have better control on the balance issue as well as reduce the intital service charges.

Equities fund charges you 5% initial service charge
Balanced fund also charges you 5%
Bond fund generally 1%

So you bought balanced fund 5% charges incurred.

Split the money into half to buy 2 fund,
Equities fund 0.5 x 5% = 2.5%
Bond fund 0.5 x 1% = 0.5%

Total charges = 3%

You save 2% if one uses the initial money to buy 1 equities and 1 bond fund compared to use all the money to buy 1 balanced fund.

But since the forumer had bought the balanced fund, switching to bond fund might not a good choice, unless expect a big drop in equities and see bond fund as temporarily park place to reenter the equities side, then it is workable. Otherwise, it is much more advisable to keep on, as it might a bit late to do anything out of it.
So it depends on people view and expectation from the equities side currently to judge how should one doing his/her money.

Just my 2 cents.
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cherroy bro, your comment is SO right. I agree with them mostly.
But I would like to give a comment though. You said the "price" of bond funds will drop if BNM increases the IR, I agree with that. But price aside, the yield would still be the same, so it is still stable. If price goes down more, I would be more than happy to buy more as I know I would be getting better yield at lower price smile.gif After all, the capital would still be repaid (if the company is still alive tongue.gif) at maturity, so the lower the price, the better it would be for us, isn't it? Well, lets not talk about those that liquidate early, then yes the price "will" affect their investment. But for long term players like us, that shouldn't be a problem. Did I get it right? smile.gif

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post Aug 6 2008, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 5 2008, 09:32 PM)
You did get right. Eg. A gov bond xyz that issued at 100, carries yield 5%.

So when you bought the bond time, the price is 100, so you are getting 5% yield.
But after that the bond price goes down to 90, yield become 5.55%.

Your initial investment still yield 5%! while others can already get the FD rate of 5%.

It is pose oppportunities to newer investment, but not the old investment that had made.

The only different is the new investment you make by buying the bond at 90 then you will be getting 5.55%. While maturity time you will getting 100 back.

But bond price won't be falling without reason, in fact bond price movement is much more easy to predict and well behave accroding to fundamental issue compared to stock market. When bond price is falling signficantly, that's mean there are other alternative that offer very good yield as well. Eg. if FD rate is 5%, then it doesn't make sense for people to buy at 100 that carries 5%. So XYZ bond need to go down to have better return potential to lure investors. But if IR keep on going up to 7% then XYZ need to go down further (you need to calculated back the potential gain from the bond maturity as well in this case for the potential totally return in comparison to determine the comfortable level of the bond)
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Yeah, I agree with the comparison with FD. But, if I am not mistaken, if IR keeps stable at 5%, then the newer bonds would be issued with higher yields than the IR. So, when the current bond matures, the fund can invest into that new bond and still able to maintain higher than FD rates. But of course, for the fund to really outperform FD, one has to keep for the very long term to see the results. I am prepared to keep my bond fund for the next 20 years smile.gif


Added on August 6, 2008, 1:58 amToday, PBOND rose to 0.9012 (+0.12%). Yesterday it rose 0.10%, so this rebound for these 2 days is +0.22%. Tomorrow if KLCI drops again, expect to see PBOND rise again smile.gif

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post Aug 13 2008, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 13 2008, 12:23 PM)
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These tools and information are very useful for those with school-going children or those that are planning for retirement thumbup.gif
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post Aug 28 2008, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(novabankinghall @ Aug 28 2008, 10:01 AM)
The ex-distribution price and cum distribution price will be reflected in the fund annual report. Anyway guys.... if u really really really really understand about funds.... distribution means nothing for me... its just left pocket in and right pocket out....
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He didn't mean X date as in "ex-date", but rather the X = a certain period/time smile.gif
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post Sep 5 2008, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(LY123 @ Sep 5 2008, 01:23 PM)
I am having Public China Select Fund,Public Far-East Consumer Themes Fund,Public Islamic Dividend Fund,Public Smallcap Fund...But why I only received the dividend from PIDF? Other funds is not giving out dividend? By the way, the fund price, dropped till no eyes see.....
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Didn't you realize the word dividend in some funds? Those are the ones that try to pay out distributions annually (or termed income funds). All the other funds are capital growth fund, which means they aim at increasing the NAV higher than the dividend funds. Most of the funds you bought into are quite new except for PSMALLCAP, so expect no distributions for the first 2-3 years. Sometimes if you are lucky, you get a bit of small distribution from these new funds.

You should look into the fund objectives and consult your agent more. Ask things when you do not understand instead of just "nodding" your head to whatever your agent says. I will keep asking my clients to interact with me and throw questions to me rather than me doing all the talking. That is how I educate my clients. I do not see many agents do that though, and trust me it works. Most of my clients are more educated now and they can ask me to comment on their findings.
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Sep 6 2008, 11:24 PM)
I'm not sure wat u wanted to ask here...or..are u an agent??

To invest in Public Bank (PB) Series of funds...u can go directly to public bank to get it.

To invest in Public (P) series of Funds...u need to get Unit Trust Consultant (i.e. agent) from Public Mutual.

Both series of funds are managed by Public Mutual.

How Long it takes??
to process??? on the spot if you hav all necessary document...which is ur photostat i/c only
Your account will b created in less than a week...max 2 weeks
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Bro, you misunderstood. He means redeeming the fund smile.gif

mr_ashraf,

Call up your agent and sign the form to sell. Or if you lost your agent, call in to any Public Mutual branch and ask for redemption form.
Just fill in your details and sign on the spot. Pass it over the counter and it will be done for you. Mark as "walk-in", but you need a photocopy of your IC.
The process takes up to 10 calendar days for your money to be credited into your bank account smile.gif
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post Sep 7 2008, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Sep 7 2008, 01:41 AM)
aaa...thats explain it, haha thanks  thumbup.gif
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Welcome bro. Just helping out poor friend here biggrin.gif
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post Sep 7 2008, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2008, 05:56 PM)
Public Mutual declares distributions for 2 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual declares distributions for two of its funds. The total gross distributions declared for the financial year ended 31 August 2008 are as follows:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit

Public SmallCap Fund | 8.00 sen

PB Islamic Equity Fund | 3.00 sen

Public Mutual’s Chairman Tan Sri Dato’ Sri Dr. Teh Hong Piow said Public SmallCap Fund which was launched in 2000, is an award winning fund, having received a total of 10 awards in its category from The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards and The Star/Standard & Poor’s Investment Fund Awards Malaysia. Public Small Cap Fund was ranked No.1 for its five-year returns in its category with an impressive return of 113.47% for the period ended 8 August 2008, according to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 18 August 2008. The fund is distributed by Public Mutual unit trust consultants, while PB Islamic Equity Fund which was launched in 2005, is distributed by Public Bank branches nationwide.

Public Mutual is the largest private unit trust company in Malaysia, and it manages 67 funds for more than 1,800,000 accountholders. As at 31 July 2008, the total net asset value of the funds managed by the company was RM26.3 billion.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_080902_1138
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Oh, Smallcap's yield is nearly 12% based on current price thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 27 2008, 02:10 PM)
Any PM can let me know the following..
Say MQGP for an investor is RM1K and received a total distribution of 2K.
MQGP now = 1000
Investment value = 3K
If the investor withdraw the 2K distributed amount, how will that affect his MQGP?
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Distribution reinvestment doesn't increase the MGQP. So, if you withdraw the RM2,000, it will not affect your MGQP.
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QUOTE(drsaleh @ Oct 2 2008, 08:31 PM)
hi
i'm looking for a muslim PM advised aROUND Kota Bharu
I'm looking forward to invest in a new fund in PM

please contact me via email at drsaleh at tm dot net dot my

thanks
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Hmm, why restrain only to Muslim consultants? I think you would get more options if you open it to all races. Restricting yourself means restricting your options, so the advices you getting might not be the best, or even a good one. Just my opinion though.
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Feb 14 2009, 05:01 AM)
Haven been into PM UT for some time, as i've given up hope lol, since the recession sets in.
Good time to top Up? I'm actually leaning towards into Shares, as UT's moving at snail pace.

Currently holding
PCSF
PIADF
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund
& one more islamic bond fund, can't remember.

I'm a high risk, looking for long time range
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A high-risk investor with a long term view should really consider investing into Public Aggressive Growth Fund. This fund has been battered down to half of its value. I have seen its portfolio for 2008, and from what I can see it still has good growing abilities after the economic tsunami is gone. Another one you could consider is Public Index Fund (someone merely mentioned it). When the stock market recovers, the fund would also try to mimic the index. This fund is good if you are optimistic of the future.
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QUOTE(bmw118 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:37 PM)
hi kingkong,

would like to check something with you.

eg i invest 1k, 5.00 sen/unit mean how much i can get?

1080 per annum?

need ur advice on this?

which fund is the best fund and give the best return so far?

anyone?
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Assuming PIX price = 0.5000
RM1,000 = 2,000 units
If the distribution is 5.00sen, then your total payout is 2,000 x RM0.05 = RM100

"which fund is the best fund and give the best return so far?"

There are way too many funds in Public Mutual's stable, so we can't really say which is best and which is not. Each of them have different benefits in different situations. How do you define "best return"? 1 year? 3 years? 5 years? Most awards won? I mean, there are even TONS of measurements for unit trust funds, there is no definite answer, and again it depends on what type of returns are you looking at.
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QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 25 2009, 05:41 PM)
i also noticed that the PCSF price has gone up to 15 cents compare with a month ago 12-13 cents and our KLCI is rising too but not sure it will collapse again or not. 

another question is.... should i stick with this PCSF?
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If the stock market collapse forever, then that's when we will see every company in the country filing for bankruptcy. If you are a long term investor, why worry about a few cents drop? The bottomline is that the market will NEVER go obsolete. As long as you stay invested and are prepared to average down your price, you will make money in the long run.

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When markets are on a downtrend, people fear that the market would go lower. When markets are on an uptrend, people fear that the market would still go lower. Then when people start realizing the market is not going back lower, people will start saying things like "Damn, missed the opportunity" or "I should have bought back then", and start giving excuses that "Cannot buy anymore la because the market move so high already".
If I advise you to keep PCSF because China still has A LOT of growth potential in the next 20 years, would you keep it?
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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Apr 25 2009, 07:34 PM)
I am holding PCSF now. What makes you think so??? Please share...
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China is still an emerging asian market which "could" elevate its status in the world standings. They are the ones with the cash now (they're still holding USD2 billion in treasury bills). So, I believe they have better abilities in the future as they have the largest population. When you have over 1.3 billion population, what you think your country could do?

QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 25 2009, 07:36 PM)
hmm... should i pump in more?  or go with another one?
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You have mentioned it a few posts back. It is better if you diversify your investment.

QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 25 2009, 07:45 PM)
for me, no fixed term.  buy then sell only at a profit, if it's a loss then hold till it bears fruit.  what do you think? 
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Then you are not an investor. In that case, you should not invest in unit trust because its initial fees would kill you. Maybe you should try forex (for short term trade)?

QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 25 2009, 08:00 PM)
i did do some homework before i start investing  biggrin.gif
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If you did your homework before, you wouldn't be asking us things that you should have known, ain't it? smile.gif
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Apr 26 2009, 02:30 AM)
Better put in ASW tomorrow...confirm no lose..
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If you have less than RM20k, ASW is one option. For people with more than RM20k, they can place some in unit trust.

QUOTE(mynewuser @ Apr 26 2009, 10:38 AM)
Stock market moving more faster than Public Mutual.
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How do you define that? Are you comparing just the overall index? I should remind you that the index movement is only based on the performance of a few stocks out of a possible 1,000 other stocks. Is that a good gauge? Unless you have that kind of money to buy those blue chips, then by all means you can try. Unit trust is a good opportunity for those with limited amount of money and limited time to start investing. Not everyone has as much time as you.
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QUOTE(balwr @ May 19 2009, 12:13 PM)
how come if my investment is under corporate i cant register for pm online ar? why only for individual?
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Funds invested under corporate account would need the approval of ALL holders. Therefore you are not allowed to register for a PMOnline account.

QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ May 20 2009, 07:28 PM)
heard that PB lunch a China fund???
any info on that fund, i read initial investment only rm100...
can anyone hear explain more...
coz cimb also got China fund if not mistaken
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Where did you get this information from? We never sell funds at minimum investment of RM100, perhaps you got the wrong company or you read the wrong column. We always have RM1,000 initial investment and RM100 subsequent investments.
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Sorry to interrupt. All agents have our own copy of the software provided by our company, but unfortunately our software is not as "advanced" as mentioned by mtsen smile.gif

As what joaQuin mentioned, the charts can be viewed from our website (www.publicmutual.com.my). I would encourage all my clients to take a look and compare those charts before coming to me as they would be prepared with their questions then. Frankly speaking, I actually hate prospective clients who see me with no questions, expecting me to explain from A-Z.

Responding to joaQuin's question, some of the funds have similar portfolio while others don't. That is why you see some funds in the same category outdoing the others. I can only help you to do a more thorough study if you could provide me the specific fund names smile.gif
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QUOTE(mtsen @ May 21 2009, 06:10 PM)
indeed Public Mutual's software and IT have been sucks for a long long time ...

Some of the 'good' Public Mutual fund agency is using
http://www.invest.com.my/
and can help clients to make good comparision for historical performance.

where they can even compare funds out of Public Mutual

for investors themselves, they can use a similar system at
http://www.signalinvest.com/

both are actually by the same company and I personally know the Khong and Khong, I have to admit their intention is correct and they will most likely to stay in mutual fund industry for quite a long time.

sorry I misled some ppl to think Public Mutual has good software ... not to mention their agents have to pay for such a lousy softwares ...
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mtsen,

I sense someone is hating our company smile.gif Whatever the reason, I will still accept anybody's view as I tend not to be biased.
Correct, different consultants have different approaches, but I am not one of those who "show prospective clients past performances and comparisons" as I have mentioned in my previous reply, I only encourage my clients to do so themselves.
I am more of an analytical type (being an investor myself), so I do analysis on stocks/funds and make my recommendations based on future prospects.
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QUOTE(mtsen @ May 22 2009, 05:09 PM)
if you are referring to Public Mutual then no, its just you being too sensitive.  If not for Public Mutual I will never be what I am today.  When I first face my business failure its my 10 years old teenage mutual fund that save my cash flow problem ( from public mutual ), and every time a newbie ask about mutual fund my standard answer is close your eye and buy public mutual.  PBMutual is STILL the largest fund manager in malaysia.  But the fact that they fail to improve their softwares for their agents and also web site for public is a factual failure.  Cheah didn't agree with this fact since the stone age but its still a fact and give others chances to overtake them.
what to do, everyone is responsible with his own investment, at the moment you rely on 'someone else', u have failed urself.
no, forexis not for you, hee hee hee ...
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If that's the case, I take back my words smile.gif Well, a good company doesn't always need to have top notch software as our branding is on our ability to maximize investors' returns. As long as we stick to our core values, we will still stay at the top regardless of what super software our competitors have.

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