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post Apr 3 2021, 12:47 PM

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just remember nowadays hard to get gpu so decide if you want to pay a little bit more for the igpu
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post Apr 3 2021, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 3 2021, 08:54 PM)
But Core i3-10105F saves the day at RM339.
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crazy that it is almost like the old i7 7700 in cpu performance
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 3 2021, 09:54 PM)
Donno why my Handbrake refuse to work properly when I select Intel QSV Codec.  sad.gif
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Works fine for me too, I tested both Intel QSV H265 and 10 bit H265

hole smokes it's fast, and really awesome to have now that I'm using integrated graphics.
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Apr 3 2021, 10:33 PM)
https://techbeezer.com/aus/msi-talks-about-...d-temperatures/

MSI Talks About Intel Rocket Lake 11th Generation Desktop CPU Overclocking, Adaptive Boost Technology, Gear Modes, Package Performance, and Temperatures

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"To achieve 5.1 GHz on the Intel Core i9-11900K, MSI recommends a voltage of 1.37 V, which resulted in a case performance of 325 W and 102 ° C. A voltage of 1.42 V was applied to the CPU for 5.2 GHz, which resulted in a case power of 378 W and a temperature of 113 ° C. MSI also offers its own tuning configurations for CPU coolers, with which you can choose from a fixed list of performance profiles based on the functions of your CPU cooler."
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package power based on which instruction sets?
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post Apr 4 2021, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 4 2021, 11:24 AM)
Makes me wonder 11700k and 11900k.
Both unlocked 8 cores parts, slightly performance deficit between the two but abt 600+ bucks difference between the two.
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But if you run really high end motherboards I don't think that's the time to save rm600 on CPU haha
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post Apr 5 2021, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Apr 5 2021, 03:46 PM)
I got an offer for a used 10900K & Aorus Z590 Master for RM3.3K do you think it is good buy?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 5 2021, 03:49 PM)
Very good offer. Way lower than both MSRP combined. 10900K still around RM1.9k street price. RM1999 for Z590 Aorus Master.
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since it's used should try to knock down the price
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post Apr 5 2021, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Apr 5 2021, 04:10 PM)
Yup, that is the lowest seller can offer. Checking Shopee prices both items around RM3.8K

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that's like 13% savings to risk for second hand parts
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:23 AM

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wonder when the supply and demand would stabilize. In the end if people kept buying there would be market saturation just like on mobile phone's market.
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post Apr 7 2021, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 7 2021, 11:09 AM)
I'm expecting 2024 (until factory is up and running well)
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The thing is production of silicon and parts had been more than before, and with continual purchase the market would eventually be saturated. Not to mention some gamers would just be satisfied with low to mid end parts and work from home crowd can be satisfied with laptops.
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post Apr 8 2021, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 8 2021, 08:17 AM)
Core i5-11400F review - The Best Rocket Lake:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/

AMD has nothing to counter at this price.
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Yet when I said that days ago some certain individual made fun of me and commented that rocket lake is not needed biggrin.gif
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post Apr 8 2021, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Apr 8 2021, 11:03 AM)
No doubt about it, best price/perf coupled with B560 motherboard for someone buying a new PC today.
Honestly I don't see it is any faster than the i5-10400F. The review didn't compare with i5-10400 "Max Turbo". I'm guessing very little difference just like the rest of the Rocket Lake CPU.

The more important products is the B560 motherboard which finally allows budget i5 to beat Ryzen 3600 + B450 combo which was out 20 months ago.
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the memory OC is important, if you read what Bonchi said, his 10400f with memory unlocked on his Z490i handily beats the 3600, and gaming feel way smoother than his previous ryzen 3600 because of the better 1% and 0.1% frametimes. Now 11400F & B560 is guarantee mem OC which is very important. Some 10400F can have memory OC on boards like Asrock B560 but that is not guaranteed.
Oh power limit unlock is important too to lessen the microstutters iinm.

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post Apr 8 2021, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Apr 8 2021, 07:13 PM)
Definitely not Max Power otherwise they will mention it and also reflect in the Power Consumption page.
Probably better RAM I'm not sure why the better numbers.
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nah, 4Ghz all core doesn't used up that much power. when i set my 8700k at all core 4.4ghz only uses like 100w on blender, 145w on prime95 stress test. Those power consumption at 4ghz sounds right

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post Apr 8 2021, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 8 2021, 07:28 PM)
If you compare to their 10400F review, the 10400F in this review is vastly more powerful. The new reviews are all 10+ seconds faster than the BCLK overclocked 10400F in the old review. And the 120w draw hints that it is in max power. Stock should be 85 ish w
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Not to forget, not many people would pair 10400F with Z490 motherboards. Most will be paired to B460 with 2666Mhz RAM instead of the review's 3800Mhz. Some Asrock B560 motherboards can run 10400F with memory overclocks, but that is not guaranteed feature and you are gambling on it. Why not just use 11400F and B560 motherboards where memory overclocks are guaranteed by intel themselves? So the proper comparison would be 11400F at max oower draw and high speed memory vs 10400F with 2666Mhz ram and max power draw.

Another good indication of the 10400F being run at max is this 10400F 3800Mhz ram gaming results are so much faster than ryzen 3600 3800mhz ram. Isn't 10400F been labeled as slower than 3600 many times last time, even with 3200mhz ram?

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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 8 2021, 12:01 PM)
I did like to remind fellow forumers what RKL is all about.
Read this and you will understand better.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/mjc...the_rules_have/
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cstkl1 also mentioned it too, the stability is way different.
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post Apr 9 2021, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 9 2021, 11:03 AM)
11400F is 299 and 11400 is 339 SGD here.
3600x priced same as 11400, buuutt without IGP, with the GPU shortage and scalper price the choice is pretty obvious.

whoever bought the AMD gonna stuck with overpriced nvidia gpu and nope, 2000 dollar 6800, Radeon GPU are all sold out except 6800 and higher model  loll
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for the current pc climate way safer to get the igpu version
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post Apr 10 2021, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(kevinboey86 @ Apr 10 2021, 11:12 AM)
Anyone know whats the issue im facing?

Proc i7 11700 stock cooler

idle temp : 46-50C
gaming 65-71C

If i try to run cinebench or other benchmark application my cpu can hit up to 95-100C for like 5 sec then it will throttle down speed. After throttle it will steady around 70-72C max at 3.1ghz won't go higher than that. Currently score about 9.8k cinebench r23 score. Won't go higher than that.

Already tried reapplying the thermal paste and resit the stock cooler so its not about the cooler not properly fixed. Still trying to figure out whats the issue.
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stock cooler are meant for running the processor at intel's power spec. That's why it ran at all core 3.1Ghz to conform to the 65w TDP. Have to change to aftermarket cooler and unlock power limit on bios. If it was prebuilt system with motherboard by dell etc, good luck on the motherboard's bios for power limit haha.

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post Apr 10 2021, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 10 2021, 05:53 PM)
The Intel stock cooler is worse than Ryzen. And the speed penalty is heavy compared to Ryzen.

Looks at the R23 AND R20 scores, it's throttling so bad if compared to Ryzen using stock cooler.

At least for Ryzen, the stock cooler is still usable BUT for Intel, the stock cooler is a joke, cannot even manage decent boost for long work load.

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That can simply be fixed by getting a cheap aftermarket cooler. Even then ryzen cpus also mostly needed aftermarket cooler too so the point is quite moot.

Not to mention that intel gives the option of integrated gpu and the ryzens (except APU ryzen) don't have integrated gpu.
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post Apr 10 2021, 07:57 PM

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tests done on dual rank 3200C14 ram, 10400F beats ryzen 3600 in every game in the video hmm.gif

hahahaha and ppl thrashed 10400F last time.
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post Apr 10 2021, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 10 2021, 07:13 PM)
I have yet to test the uhd 730.

If can play esports games 1080 high at 60fps, then it’s a win for intel.
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If you talking about cs go and valorant, sure, moba it's nope.
But integrated is pretty important now, who knows your gpu kaput and needed time for warranty
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post Apr 10 2021, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 10 2021, 08:13 PM)
To be fair, R5 3600 released on July 7th 2019, this is expected. also the video titled "budget gaming", use RTX 2080 Ti and 3090 for benchmark?  sweat.gif
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the only thing budget is the price, it can run 2080ti and 3090 without much issues

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