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post Mar 31 2021, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:24 PM)
I'm aware of this. Already checked SPEC since Intel announced RKL. But their results were never uploaded - https://spec.org/cpu2017/results/
Awesome, yup let's go with name calling now.
Btw I already said:
Who is blind now?  whistling.gif
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lol, said you've seen it, it clearly shows better than 10% ipc improvements almost on all charts yet you said nothing, that's what I mean by being blind. Like I said, don't be petty dude, you can't even argue properly, all words without any useful information inside
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post Mar 31 2021, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:24 PM)
Awesome, thanks for proving you cannot participate in a debate and end up with name calling now.
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Cannot participate in debate, are you referring to yourself? I provided plenty of reasons and arguments, yet you didn't argued to any of it and just giving blank or useless words without any useful info or argument biggrin.gif

For example, I'm talking about the current climate, yet you gone offtopic and talk about alder lake, like are you blind and not realizing how good 11400F, 11600K & 11700 is? 11400F literally slaughters every budget CPU in the market which is the biggest market, and 11600K and 11700 dominates the mid range market. Are Intel crazy to let this chance slip by where boatloads of free $$$ just to be taken with rocket lakes?

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post Mar 31 2021, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:32 PM)
10 = 19?
Where did you learn your maths from?

From the beginning I've said the up to term is only a semantic marketing, I said "EVEN" (3 times btw, which you somehow ignored but you get angry when I supposedly ignore your graphs lmao) if it's 0.1%, they'll call it an improvement. I don't agree with that statement was all my point to begin with all along.

But nah let's bring up AMD, let's bring up stock availability, let's bring up your dog's girlfriend's birth and all the other irrelevant bullshit.
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sigh you really are a lost cause, even 10% improvement is a blasphemy for you LOL, FYI, I just said 10% because I'm confident that it is more than 10%, the reality is the IPC improvements falls into 15% alot of times too. You just lazy to check it really, instead more interested in talking smack biggrin.gif
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post Mar 31 2021, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:35 PM)
Are the 11400f, 11600k, and 11700 as you've mentioned so much better that it LITERALLY SLAUGHTERS the 10400f, 10600k and 10700?

Going by your graphs, if you're saying 10% = slaughters, then okay I've got nothing to say then.
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it does, 10400f, 10600k and 10700 got slaughtered by 11400f, 11600k and 11700. Only saving grace for 10th gen is the price. Then again the 11th gen will get even better on price drops before alder lake's release. You should go and check more reviews before posting more here.

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post Mar 31 2021, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:38 PM)
Talking smack huh? So far you've called me an ass and petty. Show me where in my post this entire page where I've smack talked against you? Please, graph it.  wink.gif
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Lol again, talking about useless things but the important argument about the 11400F, 11600K & 11700 being better than the 10th gen's counterpart were never mentioned. This is hardware forum not kopitiam dude, that's where you should talk about empty stuffs. Please, I'm looking forward to talk about useful things not this.
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post Mar 31 2021, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 31 2021, 06:45 PM)
Like I said, I've got nothing to say because you're so adamant that 10-15% is such a gigantic leap that it LITERALLY SLAUGHTERS its predecessors. Holy shit Intel just pulled a Sandy Bridge!

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Are you trying to claim it does not when it really is? 11400F is rm649 now at CZone, vs rm599 for 10400F. You get extra 200Mhz all core boost + IPC improvements just from moving to cypress cove from skylake arch. B560 support, you literally can run however fast RAM you want. Tell me it isn't needed biggrin.gif

Yes, you can use my word, 11400f literally slaughters every single budget CPU of the rm700 and below price class on the market right now, undisputed.

Sigh, people are too occupied about 11900K being not as good value to ignore how insanely good 11400F really is.

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post Mar 31 2021, 07:06 PM

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11400F is insane!
Take note on the low 0.1%, in many cases the 11400F is a smoother gaming CPU than 5600X based on the video above.

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post Mar 31 2021, 08:17 PM

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No wonder cstkl1 mentioned about Rocket Lake being a very stable platform

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/mh2..._advantages_of/

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But this was only the beginning. But until Apex Legends, no game had brought out the multi-score "Skylake threading" problem like this, and even though no one knew anything about this at the time, this "Internal parity error" crash and Apex needing a new code path to bypass the threading conditions was the result of the Skylake interconnect system being stretched to more cores, and helps explain the even bigger latency penalty on CML cores (relative to core position on die).

Minecraft was a java game that had been out for many years now, and at the time, Minecraft crashing was usually just people's windows being corrupted or drivers out of date. Minecraft generating "Internal" errors was completely unheard of at the time. Parity Errors simply didn't occur unnaturally on 4C/8T processors since the architecture hadn't been extended to its breaking point. If you actually got a parity error on 4C/8T, you were truly unstable and were probably waiting for a L0 or a BSOD. Even the 6C/12T gen was mostly overlooked since it was so brief. When the 9900k hit, however, this is when more users started noticing Parity Errors being generated by MC, although no one had a clue what was going on.

What broke the camel's back was the 10C/20T CML.

First, OC'ers noticed that cache/RAM latency went up (as mentioned above). This was obviously forced to happen, but users were rewarded with yeet RAM overclocks from a stronger IMC, and 5.3-5.4 all core overclocks on good chips, which kept CML competitive with AMD's offerings, as AMD simply couldn't touch Intel on memory overclocking. But as thread count went up, the problems causing Parity Errors became more obvious, as players started encountering Minecraft errors in droves, some people even on stock clocks, and some AAA Games (like RDR2) were also generating Internal WHEA errors. The L0 error was already well known; errors on virtualized instruction registers in the L0 register store, which only happened on hyperthreading enabled processors, which was already the major issue with skylake stability. You could push high overclocks and get random L0's which were very difficult to stabilize, depending on the instruction set used, but enough vcore would fix it. But the parity error showing up on systems that passed stress tests was the sign that Skylake, never meant to go up to so many cores, needed to die. And with newer RTX/DLSS games now starting to generate Parity Errors on daily stable systems, something needed to be done.

Enter Rocket Lake.

While Rocket Lake is prep for Intel's true next gen platform, Alder Lake and DDR5, Intel needed to prepare this platform for maturity, while moving on from Skylake and all its bugs. While ADL is rumored to have two IMC's, the backport of Cypress Cove to 14nm, with only one IMC and the Gear changes, hurt RKL considerably. But this is a necessary evil because Skylake HAD to die. And the IPC increases (~19%) are real and will only keep getting better on future gens. But with people breaking NDA, and releasing benchmarks with pre-beta Bioses and broken memory overclocking, showing off terrible bandwidth results (NDA's exist for a REASON, people!), every single person overlooked something.

Stability.

The Death of Skylake also meant the death of Skylake bugs.

CPU Cache L0 errors are now a thing of the past. No more random L0's thinking you're stable and only partially stable with BSOD's that look like RAM errors (System Service Exception, IRQL_NOT_LESS OR_EQUAL, etc). You just BSOD now, with the well known "Clock Watchdog Timeout", or in other words "I'm not stable, chump, try again". There's no more "middle road". You're either stable or you BSOD. (I'm referring to the CPU core itself, NOT to the IMC or RAM errors--those still will happily make your life interesting).

Parity Errors are byebye. No longer will Minecraft generate parity errors due to garbage collection in the caches. Now it just runs. Or you BSOD.

The rules have changed for stress testing.

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post Apr 1 2021, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 1 2021, 03:07 PM)
Yup. Still can use Quick Sync. Just Enable "Integrated Graphics" instead of Auto.
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I think my computer has integrated disabled yet i can pick quick sync on the encoder iinm

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post Apr 1 2021, 06:51 PM

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Hmm just curious because I read the specs on some b560 motherboards, the integrated graphics support 4K 60Hz over displayport, does it mean it can run windows desktop at 1440p 144Hz?

I'm stuck with 1440p 144Hz now using 8700k integrated graphics haha
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post Apr 1 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 1 2021, 06:04 PM)
not gonna go more detail
but best tenant are gang bosses...
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 1 2021, 06:09 PM)
Uni reopening.. so hopefully can get some students. Once settled then 11700kf here i come! drool.gif

But i have to wts my 10400F first also.
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I had nightmare from renting to a married couple, ended up divorcing and luckily they moved out, even skip paying few months rent, destroyed my door's lock too.

The uni no students, luckily now they starting coming back to rent my rooms haha.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 1 2021, 06:59 PM)
Which program? some program still let you choose, but will fallback to software mode silently due to missing integrated GPU.
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handbrake, it does work and encoded quite fast, maybe the bios never really disabled it, just for multi monitor maybe.
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post Apr 1 2021, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 1 2021, 07:36 PM)
Gimme something to transcode. Spoiling those guys buying F CPU. biggrin.gif
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Still can use NVENC if they have nvidia gpu, but if without the quicksync is so fast compared to software transcode haha
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 1 2021, 07:54 PM)
guru3d comment:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel..._review,32.html
for those on air cooling and wanna upgrade to this cpu, imaging buying liquid AIO just for 1 generation tongue.gif
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What is to worry haha, alot high end dual tower coolers can handle 250w, and mine only costs slightly over rm300, not even as expensive as liquid coolers. If the temp is too high, just adjust your voltage/overclock level or just use the TDP limiter in the BIOS, can set like 230w etc as you like.

Also I remembered someone saying if you buy Noctua coolers, they will provide you with the new clamp for future sockets.

QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 1 2021, 08:04 PM)
mine pays rent. doesnt even use electricity/water.

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lol what, they use it as storage?

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post Apr 2 2021, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 2 2021, 01:05 AM)
I think the industry saw more users going external usb dac solution as well as usb gaming headsets. When it comes to onboard audio discussion, there are so much hatred towards them.
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really? I loved my motherboard's onboard sound, it drive my beyer dt770 pro 250 ohm very nicely
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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 2 2021, 11:45 AM)
10700f can be found for 1.1k
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but 8 core and the skylake bugs present in it, hmm unless you absolutely want one cheap. I think 11600k is better if it isn't too expensive
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 2 2021, 04:53 PM)
Snake oil and poisons brows.gif. Dont need say DAC la... ive seen a piece of 2m speaker cable can buy an entire 3090 rig

Then when asked.. made of gold ah?..... yeah 1kg of 9999 gold in there laugh.gif
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lol i remember at the AV fair, some expensive setup doesn't sound that good, while one rm4k small speaker's setup sounded heavenly without snake oil cables or power stabilizers. It got so much booking ahaha

11400F & 11400 reviews started coming out that showed it thrashed the ryzen 3600 by 10-20% in gaming. I wonder how long the effect will show on the stocks at the shop lol

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 2 2021, 07:21 PM)
Does it matter if only use with 11400F / 10400F?
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should be no problem kua if stock 11400F/10400. The 11400F cooler looks cool. 65w stock tdp only hurts stressed multithreaded workloads but gaming currently looked good. Not bad for the price
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 08:42 PM)
VRM has nothing to do with CPU cooling. Bigger die could suck more power.

Its possible to run i5 on Asrock B560. i7 or i9 for future upgrade is a big question mark.
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yeah normal 11400-11500 i5 should be ok, i7 and i9 is risky on that board.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 3 2021, 12:19 AM)
But no one makes dual rank CJR 2X16GB anymore. it's significantly costlier to put dies on both sides so they're usually only can be found on really premium kits. These Klevv Bolt XR are considered the budget option. Infact, they're cheaper than the corsairs LPX which the current SKU are all currently on micron Rev.B.
That was because on the 10400F, the "stock" mem clock was 2666 while the 11400F is 3200... so he kinda play the "spec game". But it's rather unfortunate as the rocketlake can easily hit 4000mhz. Heck even the cometlake can....

AMD did not abandoned that price segment.. it's rather they can't...afterall that's where the largest marketshare will be. It's because they have so few dies to roll out, making it wiser for them to keep pumping out 5800X which has the highest profit margin and die yields. Afterall the zen2 also uses the same 7nm fabrication allocation which of course they will want to reserve all for their zen3 and navi.
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quite crazy that the disadvantage of using intel using own fab and stucked on 14nm actually turned the tide now, being so advantageous at current time to pump out silicons without quota issues on using external fabs. That's why even before rocket lake came out intel regained market share

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