Gap is out.. and not much, that's why the price gap also not much. They playing the diminishing returns game and specifically aiming for a small sample of enthusiasts to get the K. Meanwhile their focus will be selling the 11700f and 11400F like super hot cakes to take back the market share.... provided that they can keep up with the demand.

cool, 30th March is going to be exciting again when the NDA is lifted. Then will wait for some B560 mITX mobo review.

IPC comparison, not a proper review. The results are fine (even Zen3 is limited here), just that the link talks about CPU models when this should be purely focused on CPU architectures.

Not good news for Intel shareholders, but the best move Intel can do to regain back market share. TSMC shortages means that AMD should prioritise high end for revenue, leaving lots of room in the budget segments for Intel to sell CPUs.

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Mar 23 2021, 05:56 PM

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=100389472

need help on this mobo features: CPU overclocking ??


Please advice.


GIGABYTE B560M AORUS PRO mATX

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560M-...S-PRO-rev-10#kf


Thanks.

For intel cpus, there is a way to extract more performance even with the locked motherboards like the B560 and even B460 which is by setting the power limit to "infinite", so making the cpu run on boost forever.

Why it matters? Because intel cpu are designed to be efficient so it will boost exceeding its tdp for short term bursty performance and then when the load is long enough like rendering or gaming, it will drop down to the spec tdp and run very very cool but significantly slower.

So what these board does is intentionally remove that power limit out of the box which will require beefier vrm... as cpu like 10900F for example will draw over 200w. So even if you cant overclock the cpu, those vrm will still actually make your cpu run alot faster than the intended stock settings.

Thats why ctskl mentions the gamer nexus's review is questionable because they intentionally enable the power limiter despite the testing board disabled it in stock settings.

For most products, the main revenue is always the midrange and as long as intel can keep up with the demands, and with the current msrp maintains, I think they dont have to worry anymore as AMD has no competing product in this segment. 5600x became pointless for costing more than a 11700F that has higher IPC and more cores while the 5900x price is pretty unreachable for the majority. While even the budget 3600 is getting destroyed by a cheaper 11400F.

AMD really have to step up their game in fixing most of their bugs and slash their prices if they wanna get back on the market share.

Didn’t anandtech disable the power limiter in their 11700k review and microcode follow up? Unfortunately that was what caused the 200W++ spike for the AVX2 and AVX512 portion so not quite sure it would’ve done any good...

200w+ is absolutely fine for intel... come on dont tell me youve not used those old school cpu that draws 400w before and it still runs fine after 10 years. Besides it only hit such levels under AVX loads especially AVX512. In gaming when the cpu barely go above 50% utilization and it tends to draw lesser than even AMD. Thus why you can see intel consistently shows lower gaming temps.

I personally changed from AMD to intel and i realized on all the misconceptions personally.

Anyways there's still alot of things like chipset and gpu driver updates, OS patches etc. Will probably take a few weeks to actually see the performance come out like any new cpu launches.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 23 2021, 08:17 PM

I cannot recall if GN used Asus boards at stock settings with Ryzen, if they did it's still consistent as they adhere to manufacturer recommended settings out of the box.

But in their older reviews on intel, they did stock, unlocked and then overclocked comparisons. But now it's totally stock and infact lower than mobo stock.. so why the inconsistency in the reviews... besides if a person plans to buy a K series obviously means that person will overclock the heck out of the cpu, so this review literally gave zero info other than the cpu existed.

Cant wait for the 11400f to come out, think it will be the go to cpu for gamers now alongside the b560 mobo 👍

I have indeed. Was using the old haswell/broadwell chips and it offloaded soo much heat during cpu intensive task that I swore never again to go for the power hungry chips. But that’s just my personal experience lah, take it with a grain of salt

It's already such a huge leap already.. back then 5ghz is like god level need LN2 and Stuff... now cincai cincai up multiplier can get 5ghz liao... 10900k can even do it through software Lolol.

Anyways power hungry is one thing but heat output is another. Actually putting the 5900x and 10900k side by side, the heat output is roughly the same when the intel is OCed to 5.3ghz and AMD PBO enabaled despite intel is drawing 100w more (measure with thermometer). This just goes to show how much intel has squeezed out from the 14nm die where so little energy is wasted as heat.

But of course the vrm and psu will work harder on intel.

Intel the best. Just assembled my new Xeon workstation.

nah those aren't even really power hungry, it just has bad heat transfer from the die to the IHS.

is it really intel has more energy consumed in the die and less released as heat or intel has more efficient die to IHS heat transfer resulting in lower temp?

I still remember 9900k to still be delided even though it was soldered to the IHS. starting from intel 10 series the IHS is thinner iinm

GN did mention that they tried overclocking in the 11700K review but ran into issues with it not OCing well, and that they will post results once NDA lifts.

Prime95 tests I've done with some chips I have on Noctua NH-C14S:

Ryzen 5800X - 135-141W hits 90C (depending on ambient temps)
Intel 3770K before delid - ~88W hits 90C, IIRC

Ivy Bridge until the 8700K all really demanded for delids to actually hit their true potential, since Intel ditched the solder they used for paste. They only added back solder with the 9900K and Comet Lake chips using the 10-core die.

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Mar 24 2021, 01:23 AM

It’s actually both. That’s why remember jay2cents video, he measured the liquid temps inside the aio and found that it is not getting much hotter. So it means the chip is actually not releasing a lot of heat.

The newer die to IHS heat transfer is more of reducing the temps in the die as detected by the cpu sensor but the Heat energy being absorbed and released by the IHS is probably the same between 9900k and 10900k.

Then we’ll wait and see what crap he is gonna do again... frankly i actually don’t find his graph that informative lolol and lack consistency and often has too much irrelevant variables to look at. it’s like doing a food review and he random tambah sauce here and there.

Actually the IHS shouldn’t be the issue back then, mine was already soldered (link) so no delid option available