The challenge using 20A is the heat when they pump the clockspeed.
This is the problem. On new node, Intel used to push for huge IPC gains while paring back clockspeeds/temps/TDP limit. Think Core2Duo vs Pentium4, Core vs Core2Quad, Alderlake vs Rocketlake. Often the IPC gains is significant enough to push past current AMDs without the high temps and Intel will only use this trump card later, but from rumours it seems Intel ady will start ramp up the thermal limit from 1st gen.
This could point towards the IPC gains isnt significant enough to counter AMD 9000 what more the X3D later on. OF course we will need to see when it comes.
And I also agree with ipohps3, 60% is unheard off in modern uarch, even Alder has just 19% IPC gain over Rocket.
This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 21 2024, 04:58 PM
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
I dont believe a microcode can fix physical deterioration. Its like trying to detune the engine in hopes to fix the gearbox. Not going to happen. It may help freshly installed system & those new builds but not those facing problems
I dont believe a microcode can fix physical deterioration. Its like trying to detune the engine in hopes to fix the gearbox. Not going to happen. It may help freshly installed system & those new builds but not those facing problems
Some, like terradrive, have the impression that a software fix can repair hardware that was showing signs of failing. At least Intel agrees that this microcode is for new and fresh builds. For others, just RMA if you have a problem.
But even with a new CPU, cannot assume to plug in and it will be ok, you still need to go in and manually set the TDP limit both PL1 & PL2 to 253W, and for Asus mobo users to turn off MCE which has tendency to actually override set default limits. This is similar to the earlier year AM5 SOC overvoltage that was cooking Ryzens.
I hope my 13700k is ok since I undervolted it by about 0.1v as soon as I got the CPU. In addition, I had disabled turbo boost by default 24/7 as in most games there was not much of a difference in fps probably due to non-cpu-demanding games and my GPU-restricted RTX2080. I just couldn't stand CPU temps at 80-85'c while gaming at stock.
Nowadays, most of the time, the 13700k runs at 3.4Ghz at 0.84v at around 55'c while gaming
That's why I couldn't understand one interview with Intel last time when they say just pump as much voltage as possible.
This post has been edited by kmarc: Jul 23 2024, 08:48 PM
I hope my 13700k is ok since I undervolted it by about 0.1v as soon as I got the CPU. In addition, I had disabled turbo boost by default 24/7 as in most games there was not much of a difference in fps probably due to non-cpu-demanding games and my GPU-restricted RTX2080. I just couldn't stand CPU temps at 80-85'c while gaming at stock.
Nowadays, most of the time, the 13700k runs at 3.4Ghz at 0.84v at around 55'c while gaming
That's why I couldn't understand one interview with Intel last time when they say just pump as much voltage as possible.
When you do heavy task like gaming and cinebench test, what is your max core package watt? If its below 253W, I dont think it should be a problem.
Some, like terradrive, have the impression that a software fix can repair hardware that was showing signs of failing. At least Intel agrees that this microcode is for new and fresh builds. For others, just RMA if you have a problem.
But even with a new CPU, cannot assume to plug in and it will be ok, you still need to go in and manually set the TDP limit both PL1 & PL2 to 253W, and for Asus mobo users to turn off MCE which has tendency to actually override set default limits. This is similar to the earlier year AM5 SOC overvoltage that was cooking Ryzens.
please quote which of my statement that software fix can repair hardware
don't use other people's name suka suka to spread false stuffs
This post has been edited by terradrive: Jul 24 2024, 08:09 PM
Haters will always hate no matter how irrational or ill informed you are. Next time bring your own thoughts rather than regurgitating what youtubers saying.
See? falsely accuse me on something I never said and never apologize
Quote "Intel Intros 14th Gen Core "E" Embedded Processors with E-cores Disabled" Keyword: Embedded.
Also it only solve the hybrid 'Thread Missdirection' issue on Win10. If your running Win11 there isnt much to gain or might even lose some FPS vs i9 with Ecores.
This sounds similar to the upcoming Bartlett CPU gen https://www.techpowerup.com/324571/intel-pl...cessor-for-2025 but imagine a 12 PCore i9 I predict would be a thread performance monster vs AMD flagship 16cores CPUs (or even Arrowlake 8PCores i9) as it wont have latency loss running all core workloads.
The leak showed there is a 125W BTL version meaning likely Ksku series on top the nonK (65W) and Tver (45W) so not sure what MLID is talking about when he reference OEM/Network/Edge users, as these dont go for Kskus. Whatmore MLID half the time been proven wrong so take what these kinda youtubers say with jars of salt.
Its really weird that system builders are even offering OC Kskus for work productivity daily usage PC. Its as if the regular daily driver nonK CPUS dont even exist in their dictionary. I cant imagine a Nissan salesman come tell me: "Here is a GTR for your daily drive to work, it will need more servicing and wont last as long as your regular Teana, but man it can sure go faster which is perfect for the office runs!"
Long warranty is pointless, they just need to get a permanent fix out, so that fresh CPUS wont face this problem, and those in use with problems can be RMA with specific mention that replacements must be operated with the improved microcode for warranty to continue to apply. A new bios update should also clamp down on mobo makers own settings that arbitrarily gives it moar powah!
I will just repeat my highlight in the other tered. For 13/14 Gen users, be aware there are TWO microcodes to install; 0x125 and the latest 0x129. You should install both in sequence.
Why is, Intel has defined each code to perform different function on the volt setting, tho I am unsure if the later code has the fixes of the earlier release so just to be safe better to flash both into your bios.
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