13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue Update
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5451713/+40#

https://www.techpowerup.com/322252/core-con...cessors-surface

As I said before Arrowlake is the true successor of LGA1700. Meteorlake is really just mobile CPU with only 6 Pcores.
But it seems like no change to core config so I wonder if there is enough justify to upgrade.

I might switch if they upgrade the memory controller and the chip has better power usage. Not happy with current MC.

Poor IMC is likely due to a dud chip. 13th was supposedly better than 12th gen and i heard RPL-R has much better IMC than 13th gen. So perhaps changing the CPU to 14th might be worth it.

My 12900K got better MC than 13900K. Unfortunately it died. RMAed it and got 13900K. Wouldn't bothered with 14th gen unless my 13900K dies.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 10 2024, 06:36 PM

no LPE ?

Hmm... you have an Asus mobo so whats your 13th gen SP rating and did you compare with others? I think that might reveal if you got a dud CPU

My board cant see MC SP rating. Only SP. My CPU is SP 102 which is decent. Apparently, Asus not satifsfied enough to give MC SP rating for RM2k board. Sigh....

CMIIW but good ratings with bulletproof IMC starts about 105-110 ? So maybe yours is a wee bit under where you could have go the mile with XMP...

This post has been edited by babylon52281: May 12 2024, 03:23 PM

There is silicon lottery on MC too. Not just the CPU. You can get 110+ SP and still a chance of having crappy MC.

June 2024 Guidance regarding Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen K/KF/KS instability reports

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/J...KF/td-p/1607807



This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Jun 19 2024, 05:20 PM

Just follow "Performance profile" base setting and make sure package power dont exceed 300W. For those who have issues, theres Intel RMA (apparently much better than Asus RMA lol)

If Ksku scares you too much theres always nonK. Much better value and gets 95% the same performance without the drawbacks. Strange people forget about these bog standard ones.

https://www.techpowerup.com/324062/intel-ar...ls-behind-in-nt

Seems like Arrowlake isnt going to be a leap in performance that will save Intel. Sad.

25% ST improvement still put it behind AM5 IPC efficiency. Worse is the nT performance lags even 13900K whatmore its predecessor 14900K. Outright performance goers will want to buy RPL Refresh instead and wait for the chiplet process maturity with 2nd gen (after Arrowlake)

News on game publisher claiming 100% failure rate on 13 and 14 gen cpus used in their game server racks.

What's your experience on using 13 and 14 gen unlocked cpus here?

Both of my 13900K & 13700K machines didn’t encountered any issue so fat since day one, but then i did lower down the voltages of the CPUs and both machines just for casual use and light gaming.

Repost my comment from another tered
Anything that is made must have a set max limit, CPUS, even super hypercars. Why makers have set electronic limited 300kmph, or 400kmph, is not bcoz the car engine or aerodynamic cannot push it further but bcoz other things ie tyres, gearbox, etc, are not as durable to reach such high speeds. But what happens when the makers offer you an unlimited Ksku hypercar that could go as fast as you can floor the pedal? Well obviously something else happen if you try to drive like that on a daily basis, rite?

The same logic goes with Intel Ksku CPUS, the speed limits are off, the brakes are gone if you dont set any restriction how fast you want to push. If you set your own PL1=PL2=max PBP limit, many dont seem to have this CPU degradation problem.

Is it an Intel fault for unlimited Ksku version CPU? Yes
Is it mobo maker fault for unlimited power setting? Yes
Is it the user fault for not limiting their CPU? Yes
Is it market fault for creating OC'able CPU version? Yes
Is it Intel fault for not telling buyers to get nonK if they dont know what their doing? Yes

When everyone point fingers are each party, everyone is actually at fault too. Peeps should just buy nonK and leave the Kskus to wizards like derbauer or Kingpin. They arent complaining about hardware failures when pushed beyond the limits.

As a paying user we have a right to have working product without problems stemming from design flaw. For example even if we buy K series CPUs, if the issue is motherboard manufacturer custom settings, then setting to baseline should make all problems disappear, but some users claim they still have issues. But still for me why suddenly right at this moment when it came out because 13 gen already out for quite a while, if it has issues then it would be caught earlier.

Nope. As a paying customer you should be fully aware of what you bought for. If you buy a high powered car which you could not control, it is not the makers fault if you overrun and crash the car. It is First World lazy hubris to be expecting ignorance is bliss and you are protected from your stupidity.

If you had been running with restrictions from onset, there is little reason to expect to have no further issues, many in Reddit and here attest to that. OTOH if you were running to the limit for so long, its to be expected something would have broken even after reducing the limit. If your car gearbox driven at 300kmph starts to exhibit failures, it wont magically be okay again even if you reduce it down to 200kmph.

Why it happen now? As I said, CPU degradation takes time, the more limit it breaks the sooner it will fail which is why 14th gen was sooner to fail. Intel broke all limits with this gen. OTOH when limits are respected there is no reason to expect it to work until its lifetime with little drama. See 12th gen, does it have the same failures? See nonKs does they have the same failures?

Anyone old enough would remember OCing was never this easy and used to be in the realm of those who actually knew what they doing, where the limits, and the risk, but these days any noob can OC with Ksku and helped by mobos automating these process without the user understanding or control what is happening, and peeps wonder why their OCed CPUS are dying. Hah!

performance means nothing if there's no stability. Even if it is K series CPU, if it runs on intel baseline setting it should not give problems for years of usage, some users complain of issues on baseline iinm.