thermalright ultra is such an outdated cooler tho... it couldnt even tame the first gen i7 iinm.. i used to own one.

Also avx512. that will be super hot. AMD dont even have that.

when da noobs test stuff they dont understand
shows how stupid AT is. because
1. they need intel nda guideline to help them to undetstand the cpu
2. all z490 mrc are not updated. z590 hero bios has a nda limited bios atm

theres no regression in the memory. its way better.

they used to be rather credible.. not sure what happened. Now it’s just a page full of shit.

But looking at the bright side.... that means intel have tonnes of stock ready since they already started shipping so many days ahead of launch. So by the time of launch, there should be enough... unlike AMD, having only like 10 pieces available at launch lololol

brightside.

been tracking v/f of 11700k to compare with 11900k
overall not far off from ES

so now got to wait to see whats the final all core boost clock for 11900k. they ditched the idea of 5.1 and now trying 5.0

side note . 4950CL19 dual rank stable

da last 50mhz proving to be a challenge.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Mar 6 2021, 10:36 AM

the thermalright ultra 120 used in the review is probably as good as a modern 120mm aio which means i can very likely use a 11700k in my itx as long as i dont touch avx512.. avx2 @80C+ is as hot as my ryzen 3600 lolol.

One thing i cannot really brain in this review is... why use a 2006 cooler in 2021

my ramsticks cant go pass 3866mhz effectively due to massive diminishing returns in performance because of the high trfc value... even at 3200mhz stock it already needs trfc 600. micron revB lolol. The sweet spot seems to be at 3866c18 currently. Haih.. now cannot find any good used low profile rams.


This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 6 2021, 10:50 AM

what AT never mention.

rocketlake cpu u CAN DISABLE avx512 all together
and theres few more things i cannot post here
but da dufus of at so stupid.

basicallt idiots there not smart enough to understand a architecture without guidelines from intel/amd and made a assumption.

also y 64gb ram??

everything they used favors amd. that amd cpu is not running at its rated wattage in testing but intel was.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Mar 6 2021, 10:48 AM

the fact that they use avx512 to compare with avx2 workload already very questionable. Why they never put avx2 vs avs2 with an AMD 5800x or even a 3600x with the same cooler?

and for being such a big hardware reviewer site... why use a 10+ year old cooler siot.... i remember my 4c8t i7 920 goes to 80C with this cooler. Not a smart choice for a cooler.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 6 2021, 11:06 AM

wow will it hit 105 while gaming? or will gaming use this AVX512?
Looking at their site, seem like i7-11700K isn't that better for gaming compared to i7-10700k.
Wait to see how will the cheaper i7-11700 + B560 do...

1. nothing uses avx512 unless you want to run complex scientific calculation. their avx2 shows 60C adjust to our ambient temps then perhaps 70C.. as comparison my ryzen 3600 hits 80C with avx2 on a 120mm aio. So gaming temps i would expect 50c range.

2. the cooler they use is a thermalright extreme cu from 2006. I own that cooler before.. even the old school socket 1366 i7 920 4c8t runs at 70-80C. really no eyes see lolol, It’s probably only as good as a modern 120mm aio.

3. nda havent officially released so are the bios. Just as ctskl mentioned... If you check one china review on bilibili who went to investigate why the lower fps, they found that the gpu is running at pcie 16x gen1 due to unreleased bios.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 6 2021, 11:16 AM

power testing temp testing
cpu full throttle

gaming testing cpu nerfed

like wth.

1. I’d like to point out that Dr Ian from Anand has been doing in depths reviews since Sandy Bridge days. The usage of the 10 year old air cooler is obviously so that they can compare measurements with previous intel gen CPU’s using the same cooler. apples to apples comparison mah.

2. Can argue about beta bios/microcode all day long. It’s like the agesa story, it never ends. Fact is can see already the IPC improvement. At BEST it will go blow to blow against Ryzen’s 5000 but temps are pure physics man. If you’re getting more than 200w draw (AVX2) for cpu alone then by all thermodynamic laws it will output more heat than the next equivalent.

Let’s just face it, intel lost this round. Better luck next time.

This post has been edited by zack.gap: Mar 6 2021, 12:26 PM

to get those gaming performance with PCI-E gen 1 means it would be kinda impressive

you argue it's apples to apples comparison for cooler but failed to mentioned they compared intel and amd with avx512 vs avx2, why not apples to apples?

Well, there is no such thing as good or bad now, but "in stock", "scalper rate" or "no stock".

AMD doesn't have AVX-512, hence why I also quoted ~220W for non AVX-512 workload (Povray), that's still a small regression from previous gen 10700K though.

Thing is - AT has the Intel NDA press sheet per their notice on the first page of the review. I doubt Intel didn't seed them with review units for launch day.

Even the tested motherboard for 10700K/11700K appears to be a NDA restricted Z590 one. I suspect it's not ASUS since the board is mentioned to use infinite turbo mode instead of following Tau duration, and Asus (at least for most of their X570/B550 range) is strictest with following the CPU default boosting behaviour.

I shouldn't have meant memory regression, rather core-to-core and L3 latency (see the last page of the review). Intel's Skylake to Comet Lake gaming advantage vs Zen2 was mostly due to Zen2 having worse latencies for both, and one of the reasons why AMD hypes the CCD design in Zen3 so much as it helps close the latency gap between their CPUs and Intel's.

Well they mentioned that they recommend using AVX-512 offset when overclocking, which seems to be the better solution than disabling it altogether in the rare instance that users can utilize AVX-512.



No, the 290W workload was only when using AVX-512.

The 200W number I quoted was on AVX2 friend. The POV ray test was also on AVX2 if not mistaken. They provided both figures for AVX2 and AVX512 in comparing with AMD at the power consumption page.

they DONT have intel anything. its not out yet.

its not asus.

their stupidity in recommending avx offset because theres a new feature instead. they bodoh bro.

launch day is 30th on march
16th march is just preview no numbers

Lest we forget, we haven’t seen 11900k numbers ya, this is only 11700k. Expect 300W++ on AVX512 and close to 250W for AVX2 if this maintains.

FYI, 10900k also hit 200w number but it’s not that hot. heck the rtx3090 hitting over 450w. This power draw number doesnt fully reflect on the temps because there’s factors like density etc. As such, the ryzens are actually very hot for the amount of power it is drawing. Besides 11900k will have different binning and so it will be much more effecient. same situation as 10850k vs 10900k.

Ultimately there’s no win or lose. It’s all down to which works and which doesnt too. My AMD gets USB dropoffs, idling at 1.4v 3.9ghz all boost at 60C with just a music player playing lossless tracks, and tonnes of memory errors.

A processor that is only fast on benchmark is totally useless if it cannot even function properly.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 6 2021, 01:43 PM

In a way, avx512 will blow avx2 when it comes to such calculations.

I dunno mang.. people saying rkl is a disappointment but somehow Im more attracted to rocketlake over ryzen, mostly due to the avx512.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 6 2021, 01:35 PM

Thanks. I'll wait for Youtuber to benchmark CPU temp at Gaming load then. So far haven't seen such benchmark.

10900K hit 200W too but with 2 more cores, showing there's indeed a regression in power consumption per core. While it's still too early to tell, 11900K's efficiency advantages probably will all be used in extra clockspeeds... and early pricing suggests Intel is positioning it against the 5900X anyway.

While CPU temps are not as hot as Ryzen for the TDP, there's also how much heat is being expelled out of the PC to the room, this matters when one isn't using air conditioning in Malaysia. Ryzen having a small CPU die and thus has worse heat transfer to the IHS is a known issue. There's still the other issue on how to dump 200++ watts of heat out vs ~142W from the 5800X. The only way to avoid this while sticking to Intel, unfortunately, is using a 6-core and not overclocking... and the RKL benchmark really suggests overclocking is what's required to close the gap against Ryzen in performance.

As for AVX-512 - TBH while there's a use for it, most real world consumer applications that can benefit from it are better off running CUDA/OpenCL and using the GPU anyway... Hence why I think the 290W power draw on Anandtech is a bit overblown.