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post Mar 6 2021, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Mar 6 2021, 06:54 PM)
Bro you should watch 'Ms. 2 Catty' video instead, she got 'insider bios' making PCIE4 run normally, and prove that the gpu bandwidth is double the 10900K eventhough the sample she used is a QS or ES whatever.


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which is precisely the current situation. There’s no official standard at the moment. Everything is self configured. Intel is not like AMD with their agesa. Even ctskl also shared that the stock all core boost keep changing but he is silenced by NDA.

And common sense la.. you think intel will sell a next gen which is slower than a previous gen?

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post Mar 6 2021, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 07:08 PM)
which is precisely the current situation. There’s no official standard at the moment. Everything is self configured. Intel is not like AMD with their agesa. Even ctskl also shared that the stock all core boost keep changing but he is silenced by NDA.

And common sense la.. you think intel will sell a next gen which is slower than a previous gen?
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Time will tell ya, by end of Mar biggrin.gif
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post Mar 6 2021, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 07:03 PM)
but when switched to intel, all this issue is gone. So it’s definitely AMD is the one having incompatibility with the software because regardless, the software is written in x86 so there’s no excuse from AMD.
Based on afterburner, my gpu is running nice and cool too so it’s totally fine. Just the cpu is boosting aggressively... only after i turn off all running processes including steam and logitech tools then i will see the cpu go to sleep state.

Anyways i have switched to intel and no more problems.
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because when you switch, you reinstalled Windows, reinstall windows is one of the way and the most simplest way to solve the problem. sweat.gif
it also removed the old buggy software that's been secretly running on background that ruining the user experience.
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post Mar 6 2021, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 6 2021, 07:26 PM)
because when you switch, you reinstalled Windows, reinstall windows is one of the way and the most simplest way to solve the problem. sweat.gif
it also removed the old buggy software that's been secretly running on background that ruining the user experience.
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but i reinstalled windows on the ryzen more than 10 times. changed from B450 to B450 to B550 change from 3600 to 3700x and back to 3600. All having the exact same problem.

PS, im not a first time PC builder sweat.gif ... ive been overclocking and modding since pentium4 lolol. even lived through the pencil mod era.

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post Mar 6 2021, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Mar 6 2021, 07:12 PM)
Time will tell ya, by end of Mar  biggrin.gif
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the 11400F already blow the current gen out of the water even with basic benchmarks. So no matter what, it will be a massive upgrade for me.
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post Mar 6 2021, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Mar 6 2021, 07:01 PM)
its a PREVIEW instead of REVIEW. in the intro they have mentioned they can't release the deep dive review bcoz NDA is in effect until 30th March or Intel give them green light.
so take it with salt at this moment. also, True/Final Bios is not ready yet as well i believe.
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It's a garbage PREVIEW as u like to call it. They don't even have to release this article until NDA lifted and do a proper investigation on RKL.
It's for publicity sake this dumb thing as it intended for.
We re FIRST to publish it that sort of thing.
like i said earlier , Anand & Toms stuff are nothing these days. Just cater to the popularist crowd.
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post Mar 6 2021, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 06:45 PM)
back then it cools the nehalem better due to the direct copper contact and thus it was the cooler of the year around 2008. During that time there’s not even am3 yet lol. I have both hahaha. iinm thermalright needs pushpull to beat the sunbeam iinm. However the sunbeam loses when it comes to the smaller die newer lynnfields (also probably because there’s no official mounting kit as production ended at socket 1366) im the dude who hacked the CCF to fit on the i5 750 in overclocking forum 10 years ago.

they’ve done alot of optimizing already, application by application.. however some affected software update will make it go hulkmode again. Dunno why they cannot just do a blanket setting but instead do so by specific applications lol.
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I had the CCF on a 45nm C2Q... Couldn't quite make 500FSB stable on it, but that was due to thermals.

Mind sharing the link to the LGA1156 mod for it? While AM4 clips might still fit with the cooler, Intel CPUs would benefit a lot more from the direct die cooling.
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post Mar 6 2021, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 6 2021, 08:28 PM)
I had the CCF on a 45nm C2Q... Couldn't quite make 500FSB stable on it, but that was due to thermals.

Mind sharing the link to the LGA1156 mod for it? While AM4 clips might still fit with the cooler, Intel CPUs would benefit a lot more from the direct die cooling.
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500fsb... that’s why chipset waterblock was a thing hahaha, AMD is bringing back that trend with x570 laugh.gif Man i do miss those pretty copper fins and heatpipes all over the motherboard of that era.

for the CCF, just enlarge the holes on the 775 mounting bracket with a drill then just use nuts and bolts with some washers to fix it in place thumbup.gif

But honestly, heatpipes suffers from permeation too and 15 years is right about time it becomes junk. Please throw that CCF into a recycle bin lol... which could make anand’s preview of the cpu using such an old cooler more questionable.....

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post Mar 6 2021, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 05:57 PM)
bruh.. that thermalright cooler cannot even cool the nehalem i7 920 suffeciently lol. You can say it performs like a modern 120mm aio at best. It even got replaced by sunbeam CCF in its era.

So 60-70C flutter with avx2 load is damn good. For comparison, a ryzen 3600 hits 75C on a 120mm aio with 20C ambient.

And this early version weak gaming benchmark was uncovered by bilibili that the gpu is running on pcie gen1, and they couldnt do anything on the bios to make it gen4 because the bios is not yet finalized.
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I think they made a followup video with a newer bios that works, but the gpu memory bandwith is half or something when compared to 10900k on the same board. Meaning there’s still alot of performance still being locked away.

and even in their gaming benchmark, can see the intel cpu, even the 10900k is actually running 10C cooler in games.

heck.. even a china newtuber is doing a much better job at reviewing than anandtech. At least theyre unbias and honest enough to find out why there’s a performance drop from last gen.
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was 920 that hot? I never checked how bad it was, used stock cooler on mine for 6 years sweat.gif
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Mar 6 2021, 09:08 PM)
was 920 that hot? I never checked how bad it was, used stock cooler on mine for 6 years  sweat.gif
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it’s rated 130w tdp bro.. higher than even 10900k. easily hitting 280-300w draw at stock back in the days... but because it is 45nm, the heat is not that high because the die is not as dense as today’s and the temp spikes are lower.

So in a way, we bash 14nm, but not knowing the reality of moving to 10 or 7nm will cause the die to run much much hotter. Seems like everyone forgotten about nvidia fermi on the side effects of die shrinking.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 07:56 PM)
the 11400F already blow the current gen out of the water even with basic benchmarks. So no matter what, it will be a massive upgrade for me.
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10400F to 11400F. massive upgrade. you sure bro? sounds like +5fps tongue.gif
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post Mar 6 2021, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Mar 6 2021, 09:39 PM)
10400F to 11400F.  massive upgrade. you sure bro? sounds like +5fps  tongue.gif
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fps maybe 5% minimum because the 10400f is already doing pretty well in gaming. But other things is pretty massive... not only higher IPC, the 11400F has higher clocks too.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-1...-core-benchmark

Not to mention pcie gen4 support, there will be alot more potential. especially for an RM700-800 cpu.

But of course, I will be going for 11700k because dont wanna waste the thermal headroom of my 120mm aio... not joking, intel is really that cold on normal operation lol. You can see my previous posts on the 10400F idling/browsing at 29C at 28c ambient and gaming temps not exceeding 50C sweat.gif

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post Mar 6 2021, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 09:23 PM)
it’s rated 130w tdp bro.. higher than even 10900k. easily hitting 280-300w draw at stock back in the days... but because it is 45nm, the heat is not that high because the die is not as dense as today’s and the temp spikes are lower.

So in a way, we bash 14nm, but not knowing the reality of  moving to 10 or  7nm will cause the die to run much much hotter. Seems like everyone forgotten about nvidia fermi on the side effects of die shrinking.
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maybe mine was running hot but somehow didnt die laugh.gif

back then I override overheat warning on my HD4830 when playing Crysis, gpu hit >100C, and it died not long after that tongue.gif
but i7-920 survived another few years thumbup.gif
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post Mar 6 2021, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Mar 6 2021, 10:03 PM)
maybe mine was running hot but somehow didnt die  laugh.gif

back then I override overheat warning on my HD4830 when playing Crysis, gpu hit >100C, and it died not long after that tongue.gif
but i7-920 survived another few years  thumbup.gif
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mine is sad case... my 920 is on a 480mm rad custom. It’s been running on a 20C AC room but suddenly the AC power tripped in a hot day... the liquid remained cold as the room temp rises quickly and then condensation happened. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 09:54 PM)
But of course, I will be going for 11700k because dont wanna waste the thermal headroom of my 120mm aio... not joking, intel is really that cold on normal operation lol. You can see my previous posts on the 10400F idling/browsing at 29C at 28c ambient and gaming temps not exceeding 50C sweat.gif
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You’re really tempting me to change from 3600 to 10400 or 10700k.

Yes, 3600 tends to have high idle and boost temp, if you ever oc your cpu. Had my 3600 oc to 4.2, boy the idle temp was around 4x something, sometimes even 51-52ish. This oc was cooled by kraken 280mm with noctua fans. Still, it’s put in front of the case taking fresh air, not using internal case warm air for radiator cooling. And yes, i do experience usb dropping, like my logitech lightsync usb dongles were dropping randomly. Until i switched them to other usb ports, then it’s solved.

You’ll do fine if using it stock at 3.6 or oc at 3.8. It’s not a bad cpu tho. It’ll serve you well if you don’t demand too much and you’re not a perfectionist. Hahahahahhaa!
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QUOTE(keenie @ Mar 6 2021, 10:13 PM)
You’re really tempting me to change from 3600 to 10400 or 10700k.

Yes, 3600 tends to have high idle and boost temp, if you ever oc your cpu. Had my 3600 oc to 4.2, boy the idle temp was around 4x something, sometimes even 51-52ish. This oc was cooled by kraken 280mm with noctua fans. Still, it’s put in front of the case taking fresh air, not using internal case warm air for radiator cooling. And yes, i do experience usb dropping, like my logitech lightsync usb dongles were dropping randomly. Until i switched them to other usb ports, then it’s solved.

You’ll do fine if using it stock at 3.6 or oc at 3.8. It’s not a bad cpu tho. It’ll serve you well if you don’t demand too much and you’re not a perfectionist. Hahahahahhaa!
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just wait for B560 and rocketlake.. altho now people are paying really crazy price for any ryzen for some weird reason lmao. I bought my 3600 at RM800 a year ago and sold it used at RM800 sweat.gif Hopefully the hype maintains.

10400F is not as fast as ryzen.. altho you cant really feel it... But the gaming fps can feel the improvement as compared to 3600.. If you already have the kraken, just go for i7 lol, else you will be wasting your cooler.

I guess the 10400F is tuned to work without throttling with the stock cooler... which explains the temps.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 10:23 PM)
just wait for B560 and rocketlake.. altho now people are paying really crazy price for any ryzen for some weird reason lmao. I bought my 3600 at RM800 a year ago and sold it used at RM800 sweat.gif Hopefully the hype maintains.

10400F is not as fast as ryzen.. altho you cant really feel it... But the gaming fps can feel the improvement.. If you already have the kraken, just go for i7 lol, else you will be wasting your cooler.

I guess the 10400F is tuned to work without throttling with the stock cooler... which explains the temps.
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Core i9-11900K or bust for me. Still waiting....
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 6 2021, 10:24 PM)
Core i9-11900K or bust for me. Still waiting....
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im currently very tempted with 10900F... it’s RM1.5k mannn wth, i dont think i really need the rocketlake’s IPC sweat.gif intel’s cpu price slash really makes it hard to decide.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 6 2021, 09:54 PM)
fps maybe 5% minimum because the 10400f is already doing pretty well in gaming. But other things is pretty massive... not only higher IPC, the 11400F has higher clocks too.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-1...-core-benchmark

Not to mention pcie gen4 support, there will be alot more potential. especially for an RM700-800 cpu.

But of course, I will be going for 11700k because dont wanna waste the thermal headroom of my 120mm aio... not joking, intel is really that cold on normal operation lol. You can see my previous posts on the 10400F idling/browsing at 29C at 28c ambient and gaming temps not exceeding 50C sweat.gif
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Why not just buy a non-K CPU and bypass the turbo limits? Not sure if the 120 will hold an all-core overclock on sustained loads...


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